The usual suspects -- Dick Cheney, Fox News, even voices at Newsweek -- are suggesting that waterboarding and other tough interrogation techniques just might have made us safer during the Bush years. As if there's still reason to debate the use of torture, kidnapping and black box prisons.
There's one compelling reason we should not embrace this cold, sly notion. His name is al-Libi (Al-LEE-bee). It means "the Libyan," and there are many people so named in the Arab world. The fact that Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi is not the most famous of them all is an indictment of American media and politics, including the Democrats, for his lies, obtained under torture, led to the death and displacement of millions. I keep waiting for Obama to utter al-Libi's name. What's he waiting for? Until he and others do, it's up to us to shout it from the rooftops.
continued...
Won't you join me? It's not hard to say. Al-Libi. So shout it out. In doing so, we just might rescue the soul of the nation. Email me at DonWilliams7@charter.net to find out how making al-Libi famous could end the debate over torture.
Al-Libi is not a nice man. He's a terrorist and a trainer of terrorists ((link...)). Yet even he should never have been tortured, not only because torture's wrong, which it is, but because the lies al-Libi told to end his CIA-sponsored abuse were used to bomb, invade and occupy Iraq, a terrible mistake in the opinion of most, and one for which we've paid and continue to pay dearly.
Though never mentioned by name, al-Libi's false statements turned up in Dick Cheney's August 2002 VFW speech in Nashville laying out his bogus case for war against Iraq ((link...)) according to the Guardian and many others. And they turned up in Bush's 2003 State of the Union Address. And in Colin Powell's 2003 speech to the United Nations. Those speeches laid down the justification for a war that led to millions of wounded, killed and displaced Iraqis, thousands of American casualties, a doubling of the national debt, loss of prestige by America in the eyes of the world, and much else I can document. Many believe the war led to our current economic miseries. It's an even bet whether Obama will be able to extricate us from these disasters.
Why am I virtually alone in telling you about al-Libi? Why isn't Congress telling you? Why isn't the national media? For that matter, why isn't Obama? If anyone ever needed proof that torture is not only evil, but a bad idea all around, the case of al-Libi proves it. If you don't believe me, read the July 5, 2004, article, "Iraq and Al Qaeda" in Newsweek by Michael Isikoff. (link...). Or read the well-sourced Wikipedia account ((link...)).
Why are opponents of war, torture and kidnapping so slow to make their case about just how badly torture may backfire? Is it because they were taken in by Bush's false allegations and would rather gloss over that sad fact than to make al-Libi central to their argument against torture? Is it because they've so long lived in fear of being called disloyal or soft on terrorism? Is it from a misplaced sense of respect for Bush/Cheney/Rice/Rumsfeld/Powell? Maybe so. I'll grant them credible intentions.
Whatever fig leaf they've been hiding behind, the record is clear that al-Libi was under custody of U.S. secret forces in 2001 when CIA agents blindfolded him, duct-taped him, loaded him onto an airplane, told him as they closed the door on the plane that flew him off to Egypt that they planned to rape his mother while he was away. Interrogators in a secret hell-hole Egyptian prison asked al-Libi none too gently, the record shows, to "admit" that Saddam Hussein was teaching al-Qaeda to make chemical and biological weapons and that Saddam was not above giving them nukes. None of this was true.
According to articles nearly buried in The New Yorker ((link...)), The New York Times, Newsweek ((link...)) and others, Al-Libi gave them what they wanted, however. Later he recanted, and said he told the lies to end the pain of torture. A Republican dominated Senate Intelligence committee long ago confirmed that no ties existed between Saddam and al-Qaeda, and further reported that, far from working together to attack U.S. interests, Saddam and bin Laden regarded each other as enemies.
Just how aware Bush and Cheney were that they wrung lies from a tortured man to justify the war in Iraq should long ago have been exposed.
Many talking heads parrot unproven claims that we've disrupted terror plots through use of "aggressive interrogation techniques." Yet research shows that prior to the CIA-sponsored torture, al-Libi was providing good, solid information thanks to traditional measures employed by the FBI. He was not alone, as I can show you. Yet al-Libi's case is the most striking. There's no doubt the Bush Administration tortured a mentally twisted terrorist into telling us lies the president then used to start a war.
Don't let this central fact of history get lost. Join me in saying aloud, to friends and relations and strangers all across the net, just one name. Let al-Libi be the last word in the debate over torture. He's living proof that torture turns us into brutes, endangers our civil liberties, our highest values, our fighting men and women, the lives of civilians across the globe and rolls yet more brutality down the ages.
Shout it from the rooftops.
Al-Libi.
Don Williams is a prize-winning columnist, short story writer and the founding editor and publisher of New Millennium Writings, an annual anthology of literary stories, essays and poems. His awards include a National Endowment for the Humanities Michigan Journalism Fellowship, a Golden Presscard Award and the Malcolm Law Journalism Prize. He is finishing a novel, "Orchid of the Orchid Lounge," set in his native Tennessee and Iraq. His book of selected journalism, "Heroes, Sheroes and Zeroes, the Best Writings About People" by Don Williams, is due a second printing. For more information, email him at donwilliams7@charter.net. Or visit the NMW website at www.NewMillenniumWritings.com.
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The Israelis use...
torture very effectively, we have been told. (Perhaps the Neocons (and in con) brought it over to "us" from the old country.) Nevertheless, they continue to use it routinely without any impact in our good relations with them, so perhaps there is no problem. You think?
and if all your friends...
were jumping off the Gay Street Bridge does that mean you should also?
Didn't your mama ever say this to you when you were a child?
The same principle holds true today...just because someone else does something is not an excuse for you to do it as well...especially if it's stupid or criminal.
The justification you stated...
is just as fallacious and ridiculous as the ones we all used when we were kids..."But Moooommmm...all the other kids get to [insert stupid act here]!"
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"You can't fix stupid..." ~ Ron White"
"I never said I wasn't a brat..." ~ Talidapali
Tribute to Mom
She wasn't always correct, but mostly, she was. In the case that you cite, she was never more on target.
The Israelis use torture very effectively, "we" have been told
Nice proof. I guess we'd have to resort to wacky liberal talking points to argue against your inside knowledge that we trust, of course, at face value.
Factchecker and Metulj...
you are sad and pitiful individuals.
Google: "Israeli use of torture."
You are sad and pitiful because you need to live in a fantasy world, a world of denial. You cannot stand the truth. But your emotional comfort comes at a high price--it makes you complict in Israel's criminality.
But if you are having trouble with torture, wait till you open your eyes to Israel's war crimes and crimes against humanity. Now that is really going to disturb your little rose gardens.
The only thing I will grant you two is that you may be sincere in your ignorance, though self induced.
--it makes you complict in
--it makes you complict in Israel's criminality.
That's me: complict. So you're defending the use of torture while unloading on Israel for using torture among other tactics you're critical of? The topic is whether torture can be defended on the grounds that it is effective in getting people to talk. Do you have anything to contradict Williams's point? Or do you just want to attack people here?
Ha ha ha. A pro-torture dink
Ha ha ha. A pro-torture dink accusing someone else of being emotional and living in a fantasy world, that's rich.
If Israel's "success" with torture is any indication, we can expect endless conflicts, routine suicide attacks, fragile and fraying peace agreements and a robust industry in weaponry and surveillance technology. None of that is my cup of tea, but I'm sure it sounds good to the Carlyle Group and the hapless tools of their propaganda.
Is that your solution, JWB? Abuse to end abuse, violence to end violence? Those are certainly ideas with ancient pedigree and nothing to prove them false except the entirety of human history.
i oppose torture...
My first post was satirical, sarcastic. Read it again. You will be embarassed at not catching that.
But let me clear up where you guys (reply posters) are on this--you seem to be (1) opposing torture by the U.S., as do I, (2) denying the Israelis torture, which does put you in a fantasy world, but (3) if they, the Israelis, do torture, you seem to be saying it is alright, which I do not.
Do I misunderstand?
You are...
being dishonest.
Do I misunderstand? Yes. And
Do I misunderstand?
Yes. And since you've cloaked whatever you are trying to say in sarcasm no one understands, maybe you should try explaining yourself plainly.
So, would it be correct to say...
then that you repliers acknowledge that Israel engages in torture, that you condemn Israel for doing so, and that you condemn the U.S. for its support of that political entity on those grounds?
I don't know why you all have to be so bitter and unpleasant.
then that you repliers
then that you repliers acknowledge that Israel engages in torture, that you condemn Israel for doing so, and that you condemn the U.S. for its support of that political entity on those grounds?
No, I believe Israel engages in torture, the U.S. engages in torture, I condemn both for it and hope they can use their alliance to leverage declarations to cease torture into broader regional agreements on peaceful coexistence, empowered democracy and healing.
Link...
(link...)
Who looks stoopid? (as Garrison Keillor put it last night)
You will be embarassed...
If you were literate, you would be embarrassed.
Indeed...
but kindly answer my question.
I understand why you are embarassed, and name calling will not help.
If you believe that stuff
If you believe that stuff about Israel, as you apparently do, and you want to let it be known here, you don't need us to hold your hand. But it doesn't pertain to the subject here. Torture works, yes or no? I say no.
You chose to question my allegation...
that Israel used torture. I instructed you as to a way to inform and educate yourself (i.e., Google). Now it is back to you--do you now admit that Israel engages in torture?
And the question in NOT whether "torture works yes or no," as you put it. Thank god the civilized international community, not including the U.S. and Israel of course, has moved the discussion beyond that once and for all.
Pardon the bad link, but it's all true
There was an errant link to Wikipedia in this column. Please pardon. However to become an expert on the torture of al-Libi and others that led to our disastrous policy in Iraq, just Google, Ibn al-Libi. That's all you need to become a foremost American expert, because there are so few who've even heard of him, sad to say. Here's an article from ABC News about how al-Libi was buried alive until he spouted the lies that helped make the death of a million Iraqis and 5,000 American service personnel possible. How anyone can read this evidence and still support the use of what-zit is beyond me.
Don
(link...)
Reference ABC News…Surely you jest!
Obviously torture works; man has been torturing one another for thousands of years. Don’t be a dumb a$$....
HUmans have also been
HUmans have also been practicing alchemy for thousands of years. Does that mean it works?
-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)
"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin
And
And it depends on what you mean by "works."
Does it successfully bring pleasure to sadistic bastards? yes.
Does it extract useful intelligence? no.
"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"
Your father would have been
Your father would have been more proud if you had learned to sing or at least whistle.