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Two questions
Understood, Randy (and thank-you).
I had wanted to ask you a question about protocol a night or two back, off the forum, but I couldn't recall how to do that. Could you please add that instruction to your site rules?
Also, how can subscribers pull up these site rules later, should we need to refer back to them?
Tamara, the site rules can
Tamara, the site rules can be accessed from the 'about KnoxViews' link on the left in user navigation box at the top. A link is also included on the posting page, and on the user signup page (I think?) and at the bottom of every page in the copyright notice.
In the same user navigation box on the left, there is a "contact" link to send the site admin (me) an e-mail, or you can click my user ID to send a private message or an e-mail via the "contact" tab on my user profile. (This works for any user unless they have these options turned off in their profile.) I will add a contact link to the site rules, though. Thanks.
Your site...
This is your site and you can run it as you choose.I don't agree with your thinking in all aspects but it is your site so I won't try to challenge that.
I'm a new user here, and
I'm a new user here, and most of my politics probably conflict with the views I have read above. My initial post was about solidarity regardless of party, in the commission mess. If I am reading between the lines, as long as the discourse is civil eveything is copacatic yes?
Are you still able to post
Are you still able to post here? That probably answers your question.
Yes, but I've not posted
Yes, but I've not posted much. Probably haven't had time to piss anyone off yet.
New posters
Randy, is it my imagination or has there been a big increase in new posters in the last 2-3 weeks? Especially in the last week, but I would think that is due to the mess with county government. I know knoxviews comes up on some google searches and you have been getting lots of press lately.
I really appreciate this site because of the rules. So many blogs degrade into name calling and other juvenille behavior.
From a newbie...
Hi, DMac. As one of those new posters you refer to, I jumped in to say yes--in my case, the County Commission fiasco was my biggest impetus for subscribing here.
I can't recall where I first heard of KnoxViews, but I recall a KnoxViews "in-person" forum I attended a few years back, getting my first opportunity to meet a good many fellow k2k-ers (and some knoxnet folks, too, I recall) in the flesh. Wherever it was that I first heard of this forum, I associated the name with the event I had attended. I was really pleased, then, to find that my instincts had helped me find you good folks again.
I left k2k and knoxnet both primarily due to the irksome task of attending so much e-mail daily. I much prefer blogging for that reason, and also because I'm free to enter only those conversations that interest me. Kewel.
(I've glanced at that user list several times since I subscribed on the date of the Commission meeting, 1/31. Looks to me like it's grown even in the short time *I've* been around.)
Great job, SKB!
Ditto
Hi, DMac. As one of those new posters you refer to, I jumped in to say yes--in my case, the County Commission fiasco was my biggest impetus for subscribing here.
I'd actually been subscribed for awhile, but recent events pulled me out of the woodwork. I guess it's ok to be new, he still lets me post, too.
The first time I ever posted on the old blog was right before it went down. Boy, did I feel guilty.
Thanks . . .
local and progressive? mayhaps i've died and gone to heaven.
if i'm just sleeping and this is a dream, shhh, type quietly and don't wake me, i'm enjoying it too much.
thanks for being.
Are you writing from St.
Are you writing from St. James Infirmary?
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I have been here anout three weeks and found the site when Don Williams let KNS. Glad I did.
Ha! True happiness is
Ha!
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
Registered users can still
Registered users can still post comments. Even through a proxy. Spammers will generally only get one.
Now, if only we had a
Now, if only we had a foreign policy so clear and concise....
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
not too user friendly
I've registered. I've looked for a button that says I can post. None.
I've read about trusted users but there's no info on how that comes about.
I'm not the most precisely edged implement in the little implement room, so I guess I need some help. Thanks.
Graduate, Academy Of Hard Knox
I believe this is the pertinent part...
of the trusted user definition you need.
I think what R. Neal is basically saying is that we have had people in the past that were here to basically disrupt and incite arguments with total disregard for the fact that this IS a progressive blog. Once you have demonstrated in your comments that you can discuss postings with a civil tone, even if you disagree with the progressive viewpoint, then you will be given trusted user status and you can then create blog postings of your very own.
Hope this helps...welcome to the site.
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Thanks for your response.
I'm a John Edwards supporter, and my aim is to cultivate support for him in my home town of Knoxville. I was an activist in Knoxville during the Ashe mayoral administration, and for a time was the vice president of Tennessee Valley Energy Coalition (TVEC).
I believe that Knoxviews can become much more vibrant and global in scope if topical content is opened up to the national level. The result would be more involvement from outside East Tennessee. For example, I'm writing to you now from Hanoi, Vietnam, where I live and teach.
Perhaps a good way to give you some idea of my style and ideology would be to refer you to my posts at dailykos under the name bob zimway. Sometimes I'm pithy, acidic, or harsh, but I strive to be articulate and principled. I never attack or curse at any individual, although I might swear at the situations we find ourselves in. I will gladly refrain from profanity here. I know the "room" of Knoxville, and I can speak to that room appropriately.
This site is doing good work in addressing local issues. I would simply like to expand the idea of local by concentrating my energies towards Edwards' campaign. As a populist, he's speaking directly to average folks the way no other candidate can do in the Southeast.
John (bob zimway)
Graduate, Academy Of Hard Knox
"This is a partisan website
"This is a partisan website that leans Democrat."
sounds like just the place to support bill haslam for reelection ..
Request for discussion on some elements of site rules
Michael Kaplan’s takeaway from the above is.. "This is a partisan website that leans Democrat." sounds like just the place to support bill haslam for reelection ..
The discussion on the cinema raised a number of questions that I would find helpful for Randy and others to weigh in on. A fair inference relative is that Michael Kaplan’s comment above would indicate a preference for a “cleansing” of Knoxviews. Based on the large numbers of emails I received he is not alone.
I am only interested in the discussion in re: local politics. I think I get it from a national politics point of view when almost all issues have a very heavy partisan background. To my knowledge I have never posted anything at all that touched on national politics unless it was the response to the question Randy asked about movies. I have no intention of doing so. For more context, I started this sort of participation on K2K when it was overtly non-partisan and about downtown. Those moderating K2K were always very even-handed in applying that approach. I found whole thing to be fascinating and indicative of some intriguing possibilities relative to some new models of participative democracy. My interest was both as an academic and a citizen. SKB did not start out as overtly partisan, as I recall, but it did have those tendencies. Knoxviews does have a clear statement of intent and of rules of engagement. I am very serious about this because I do respect the wishes of both the owner of the blog and the bulk of those who post here and have no interest in causing any problems with my participation. I have tried to do so in good faith with respect for the rules but probably have fallen short. Given the difficulty of getting the tone right I want to make it clear that these are serious questions in my mind and not rhetorical devices to make points in a sideways manner. If this is a serious place (mostly at least) I think these points are worth working through and I don’t know the answers.
How does one apply the ENTIRE rules segment above when dealing with nonpartisan city and school board politics? True, in almost all cases the party preferences of the players are known but the elections are officially nonpartisan. Moreover, most of the issues are not reduced to, discussed, or voted upon in anything that resembles a partisan manner. Is participation on local issues that do not have an obvious partisan component other than the personal party preferences of one or more of the actors acceptable? To what degree? Either the South Waterfront or much of the downtown design guidelines or the cinema, etc. could suffice as examples. Someone could come from out of town, look into these issues, and be hard pressed to assign a democratic or republican position.
With the above in mind – still nonpartisan local races with actors of known partisan preferences -what degree of “response” to posts with which one disagrees is OK? How pointed can that be without crossing the line? Can the responses be made in like tone to the post or reply in question or should a different tone be used. Finally, depending on answers to the above, is it appropriate for an elected or appointed government official to participate (as many do) beyond occasional clarifications and requests for information?
Going beyond this, and depending somewhat on the answers, one thing is clear. There is no good template out there, as far as I know, for online, real time, political dialog on local matters that informs the community. There are plenty of templates for like-minded people to share ideas and rev up the base. I hoped this was going to tend toward the first model, at least for local politics. But maybe I am wishing for something that does folks do not want in which case it might be time for me (not many others left) to look elsewhere to establish such a model. I am not talking about taking the ball and leaving with bad feelings but of what is the fairest, most constructive, way to engage in local community dialog and whether an overtly partisan board is the best place for this. Perhaps both KV and the discussion I have in mind would be better off if an amicable divorce settlement was arrived at. Maybe such a board could be hosted by the News Sentinel, but it would have to take on a different template from anything I have seen there. Maybe it can be free standing, but who would do the heavy lifting in keeping such a train on the tracks? I really don't know.
It would be great to hear from Jack M. and Sandra and Betty and from many of the other media and political folks who lurk out there. It would be great to hear from other long time and thoughtful observers of all of this - Michael H., Rachel, Cafkia, etc. Of course the main decision maker here will be the person doing the work and paying the bills for the blog. Thanks again to Randy making this forum available. None of us should take that for granted. And thanks for your patience with this interruption and I will express my appreciation in advance for any comments.
My short(?) response
Because I have to write two pieces for two different organizations and go visit my mama today, this will be short.
Randy has made clear that this is a progressive website. Howver, I don't recall seeing "Democratic" in the description. There is a difference. And opposing viewpoints on state/national matters are ok as long as they are expressed intelligently (CBT comes to mind). We would all be the poorer if we lost those discussions.
And I totally agree with Bill on local issues. I don't care if I do know Bill Haslam is a Republican and Bob Becker is a Democrat. Positions on local issues just don't tend to divide themeselves up nicely along partisan lines. We have non-partisan City elections for a reason. (As an aside, I'll admit that there are a couple of Council members whose political affiliation - if they have one - I'm not sure about. Nor do I care.)
I'm a pragmatic progressive (as Bill Pittman nicely put it) who almost always votes Democratic in state and Federal races. That's unlikely to change unless the liberal wing of the Republican party is somehow resurrected. But on local issues, I just don't think in partisan terms.
All this to say that a person's support (or lack thereof) for Bill Haslam for mayor is and should be a poor indicator of their political affiliation. Heck, the mayor's performance as Mayor is a damn poor indication of his own political affiliation. Bully for him.
Guess this wasn't as short as I intended. Sorry.
Bill, I think I agree with you
but could you use short sentences & paragraphs? This is the best place I've found for local issues. Keep it local and keep it civil. And thanks to the host!
but could you use short
Short sentences and paragraphs? Now that is the last straw!
Now that's what I'm talkin' about!
Thanks, Bill.
Touché Bird Dog!
Touché Bird Dog!
interested in local politics
Well, I just stumbled onto this site to get more info about the County government mess. I hope it's ok for Libertarian-minded folks to join in. Perhaps someone will start a blog devoted to local politics. The KNS & WBIR have been the main source of info - albeit very late in the game. Why didn't they uncover the game much earlier??? My sense is that citizens will pick up on pieces of the puzzle, but only by combining the information does the big picture appear.
Blogging
In response to Bill's post, creating give and take dialogue on the Shopper's Web site is an ongoing conversation at our place. I enjoy Randy's site (particularly since the banning of One Who Shall Remain Nameless), and I'm willing to engage in discussions of local politics here rather than on either the WBIR or News Sentinel site because KnoxViews has rules and is monitored.
I'm not comfortable allowing unsigned and unverified garbage on a Web site that I'm sponsoring, and I think WBIR and KNS are irresponsible to do so. -- s.
I agree
Sandra, I agree totally with your thoughts on "unsigned and unverified garbage." That's a recipe for a very low level food fight and, unfortunately, that is what appears. Whatever site is used has to be monitored and have rules. I am just trying to come to grips with how to participate on Randy's while respecting the rules given the pronounced viewpoint of the blog and its application to the present city administration and my participation there and here.
Points for what?
IT is Sunday. My trifocals are covered with tung oil. My hands are coated with primer. I slip away from my current fun project involving the top of a 30 foot ladder to catch up on Knoxviews and I suddenly earn a point.
I am confused. Better to go back to life with the oil fumes.
as long as they are
as long as they are expressed intelligently (CBT comes to mind).
Rachel, sadly you have now discredited yourself in the eyes of many.
I enjoy the discussions of local issues and politics on this blog. To my knowledge it has no peer.
Rachel and others are correct that local issues do not revolve around partisan politics, though county races are partisan. Partisanship in Nashville and Washington mean something. It means leadership positions. It means getting bills up for a vote. Partisanship is part of the process. Not so in local government. Last time I checked there is no 'block vote rule' in County Commission. You can also look at the votes for leadership positions when Commission reorganizes this month. My guess is it will not be along partisan lines.
Local races can be impacted by party affiliation. Local political parties can also impact local races with resources of people, money and organization.
I disagree with Randy and others on some issues. But, so what. We also agree on some things. Everyone on this blog knows who I am. There's no anonymity. Many people who post on this blog see me regularly. I hope I add something to the discussion. I occasionally read a few, but don't post on any other blog. Frankly, I just don't have the time.
Thanks to Randy for keeping up the forum.
Ahhh CBT...CBT...
No she hasn't...I think you state things very intelligently. I enjoy reading your posts. I don't agree with most of them, but I enjoy reading them. They are well-written and topical.
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This blog
Guess my membership will go the way of dissenters on the dummycrat underground. I hate echo chambers anyway. By the way, conservative sights don't have to do that.
You're an idiot.
You're an idiot.
Now, Bizgrrl...
Let's not just throw any old epithet out and be satisfied with it. I disagree with "idiot" as a choice of adjectives.
"Dumbass" as in "selfdelusional dumbass" would be far more accurate, or even the more strident "self delusional 'lying' dumbass" could be more accurately used.
A true idiot would be unable to even use a keyboard, whereas, this one is merely unable to think.
Good point. Didn't put much
Good point. Didn't put much thought into the comment, need more coffee. Could fall under the first definition though.
Idiot
1. an utterly stupid or foolish person.
2. a person of the lowest order in a former classification of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years and an intelligence quotient under 25.
Actually though R would unpublish. Apparently he is not paying attention.
National vs political
Reading some of the comments here, I feel like I may have trespassed on what was supposed to be a local news only site. When I first browsed through KnoxViews I saw national comments, so I assumed that was okay.
I'm not sure the line between national interests and local interests are totally seperate, but things can be divided that way. I've enjoyed the posts about local politics and have learned an amazing amount from the people here who know all the players, have an ear to the ground, and can write intelligently.
On the other hand, I like the idea that I'm able to discuss national issues with local neighbors---kind of like sitting arund the old wood stove at the sundry shop of times gone by. It gives me a different feeling than posting on larger sites.
I chose KnoxViews because I liked the posts I read, appreciated the site monitoring, and the progressive (but not totally)tone. I really do relish other people's point-of-view, if they're coming from an thoughtful sincere place.
Now, after reading this thread, I'm wondering if there is a feeling that national issues are intruding on this site. I hope not because I've enjoyed the national politicial issues discussed here, and I enjoy commenting on them myself.I especially like Don Williams columns on national issues, but many others too.
I guess a balance between local and national issues seems most natural and most interesting to me. KnoxViews seems to have that already.
National vs political
Reading some of the comments here, I feel like I may have trespassed on what was supposed to be a local news only site. When I first browsed through KnoxViews I saw national comments, so I assumed that was okay.
I'm not sure the line between national interests and local interests are totally seperate, but things can be divided that way. I've enjoyed the posts about local politics and have learned an amazing amount from the people here who know all the players, have an ear to the ground, and can write intelligently.
On the other hand, I like the idea that I'm able to discuss national issues with local neighbors---kind of like sitting arund the old wood stove at the sundry shop of times gone by. It gives me a different feeling than posting on larger sites.
I chose KnoxViews because I liked the posts I read, appreciated the site monitoring, and the progressive (but not totally)tone. I really do relish other people's point-of-view, if they're coming from an thoughtful sincere place.
Now, after reading this thread, I'm wondering if there is a feeling that national issues are intruding on this site. I hope not because I've enjoyed the national politicial issues discussed here, and I enjoy commenting on them myself.I especially like Don Williams columns on national issues, but many others too.
I guess a balance between local and national issues seems most natural and most interesting to me. KnoxViews seems to have that already.
Puhleese. No, national
Puhleese. No, national issues are not intruding. National issues are an important part of this site.
National vs Local...
Ain't usually the big issue. The biggest issues we have are usually of the Rational vs. Irrational variety, kind of like that with which Tntreeherder has so "skillfully" provided us several examples, splashed all over various threads. Even a typing monkey can occasionally produce a semi-coherent written thought that is MOSTLY spelled correctly on web "sights".

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A far site from here
It's gotten to be so routine that I hardly notice illiteracy in nut job posts anymore. I think I'll go voice that on a welcoming conservative "sight" like Brian's blog or Stacey Cammofield's.
My campaign web site
It was mentioned that only 18 candidates had websites. I would like to add mine to the fray. I am a candidate for Knox County Commission 5-C and my campaign website is JimMcEversD5.com
JAM
OK, I'll add it to the list.
OK, I'll add it to the list. But why are you posting this on the site rules page?
Transportation
I would like to know when we will have a chance to talk about our children haveing to cross a four lane highway to get back and forth to their bus stops.