Fri
Feb 10 2012
09:21 am

Politifact labels the TNGOP assertion that the current redistricting process was "the most open in history" as "false", even though it was done completely behind closed doors and so secretively it was rushed through the Legislature so fast that nobody had the chance to notice they forgot to include all the counties in TN.

Contrast that with Politifacts branding of TNDEM's statement Congressman DesJarlais's January schedule as having only six workdays as "liar, liar, pant's on fire", beacuse they took the word of a DesJarlais staffer who claimed the Congressman was working hard and only took one personal day. Politifact posted this statement from the staffer: "One of the things the congressman has been very good at is maintaining an open dialogue with his constituents about what goes on up here in Congress." If anything should be labelled "Pants On Fire" it would be that statement. DesJarlais has never held an open meeting in my county since he was elected.

Since there is no way to comment on the Politifacts post the question is, "Who is going to fact check Politifact?"

gonzone's picture

No way! They're fair and

No way! They're fair and balanced! A Republican cannot tell a lie. Hell, a Boy Scout would lie first! /s

Somebody's picture

Good lord.

Let me get this straight. You're claiming bias over an assessment of whose lie is the bigger lie? Okay.

To me, the fact someone would make that case speaks volumes about the divergence from reality that is modern political discourse, and it is a far bigger deal than whatever distinctions lie between Politifact's designations of "false" and "pants on fire." Both things are factually incorrect.

Seriously. Nobody does the home team any favors by trying to point out that the other guy is technically a bigger liar. It's like saying "our baseball team only takes the most sophisticated performance-enhancing drugs that are harder to detect, and may or may not be easily defined by current rules as illegal, but the other guys are clearly jacked up on testosterone!" If you're a partisan who wants to attract the votes of that vast, uncommitted middle ground, try demonstrating that you hold your side up to a higher standard.

Oh, and by "higher standard," I do not mean "our lies are more nuanced."

WhitesCreek's picture

Missed the point, did you?

Just pointing out the obvious fact that the "impartial" refs are not impartial.

Somebody's picture

Missed the point, did you?

Just pointing out the obvious fact that the difference between a "lie" and a "damn lie" is fairly inconsequential.

WhitesCreek's picture

If it quacks like a duck...

If you set yourself up as the arbiter of truth, You really shouldn't make obvious errors of fact yourself. It's the bias, stupid. So far it looks like a pattern to me.

Somebody's picture

OK, since I'm "stupid," spell

OK, since I'm "stupid," spell it out for me. Help me understand where you're documenting "bias" with this example.

With my limited intellect, what I see you getting worked up about is this: On one hand, Politifact looked at Ron Ramsey's assertion that this year's redistricting effort has been the most open, etc, in history, and rated it "false," and provided evidence that it was, in fact, false. Then they looked at Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee's assertion that Republican Representative Scott Dejarlais had only worked six days in all of January, 2012. They rated that as "Pants on Fire," which is one stop more false than "false," and they offered information demonstrating how the assertion is not accurate.

Politifact defines the two categories this way: "FALSE – The statement is not accurate. PANTS ON FIRE – The statement is not accurate and makes a ridiculous claim."

In both cases, they cited information that any reasonable person would say refutes the claim, so both claims as reviewed were at least false. So from there, you seem to see a bias in their distinction that only the Dejarlais claim was noted as false, but also that it makes a ridiculous claim. I suppose you could argue that Ramsey's claim should also have rated "Pants on Fire," but I don't see how anyone with any sense could find that the claim about Dejarlais is anything but ridiculous. Politifact did note that the DCCC didn't offer anything but the calendar for when Congress is in session as evidence for their claim. It's a ridiculous claim. I don't know much about Dejarlais, but that evidence could be used to make the same claim about 434 other people, and I would call it ridiculous unless pictures of Congressmen in conga lines on cruise ships are offered up as additional proof.

When Congress is out of session, Members of Congress spend time in their district meeting with constituents and speaking to Rotary Clubs and whatever. This Congressman's office offered examples from his schedule suggesting as much, so barring evidence to the contrary, the reviewed statement is just one more example of stupid political distortions made by political operatives. I think it's fair to say that this was a ridiculous claim. (What I can't figure out is why, with the plethora of genuine fodder for criticism of these yokels that's available, anyone would make the effort to come up with this whopper.)

So your whole assertion of bias lies with Politifact failing to also find Ramsey's claim to be not only false, but ridiculously so. I can totally see the argument that it should've been or could've been rated "Pants on Fire," but it's a distinction without a difference, and I don't see how it clearly documents any great bias, other than your own.

Frankly, I think the whole Politifact thing is a gimmick, and that our friends in the press should be doing this sort of reviewing of the veracity of political claims as a matter of course in all their reporting, not just with great fanfare in a special "Truth-O-Meter" section. Instead, most reporting gets the "he said, she said" treatment, allowing false information to get a pass, and false equivalencies to be the order of the day when offering "balance" in everyday reporting. That's where the real problem lies.

WhitesCreek's picture

It's a figure of speech

It's a figure of speech intended to punctuate what is important and what isn't, in this case having a demonstrable bias when claiming infallible truth. But if you can somehow twist it to mean that you have been raised to the level egregiousness that I would go to the trouble to personally insult, I can't stop you, though you would be incorrect in this case as well. (My last response to this sophistry)

Somebody's picture

Fascinating

I was mostly having a little fun responding to the "stupid" remark, and you made a point to respond to that, but not to my actual argument. Then you declare you're done responding to "sophistry," offering nothing to back up that claim, either. What that says to me is you've got nothing to offer. You made an assertion about bias, cited an example that doesn't prove you point, and offer scant little to back your argument, or to refute mine. That's pretty weak, isn't it? Or are you the arbiter of truth, whose assertions and opinions are fact, requiring no explanation?

bizgrrl's picture

How can something some people

How can something some people tout as such a great thing be so ridiculous? You can fool all of the the people some of the time?

SnM's picture

Facts?

I recommend Doonesbury. And I recommend the entire week's worth of myfacts.

bizgrrl's picture

Hah. I saw those and

Hah. I saw those and Politifact is exactly what came to mind. I do love Doonesbury.

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