Looking around the area recently I had wondered if this is the case in Knoxville.

This MSNBC article indicates some folks are refusing to acknowledge economic conditions.

(link...)

'Denial' is not a river in Egypt.

Brian A.'s picture

A good question for a local

A good question for a local realtor.

Brian A.
I'd rather be cycling.

scottfrith's picture

Nope. Folks are pretty

Nope. Folks are pretty pessimistic on the real estate market right now and are more willing to list at a lower price and are more willing to reduce prices more quickly if the property isn't moving. It's a challenging market and that's why it's important to work with a qualified Realtor and mortgage lender to help guild you through this process. (Shameless Realtor plug)

Bottom line, I won't list a home at an unrealistically high price. An overpriced home is not going to sell and it's just wasting the homeowners' time and our marketing budget.

bizgrrl's picture

I do quick reviews of homes

I do quick reviews of homes for sale in the area fairly often. I haven't seem much change in home prices for South Knoxville (37920 zip code) or Alcoa.

It still amazes me how a house we sold in 1994 for $40,000 in the Island Home area of South Knoxville sold for $82,000 in 2005. That's some appreciation!

Suzy's picture

Kind of ironic...

As a realtor, I think it's ironic that this article quotes a Zillow spokesperson talking about homewoners not being in touch with reality when it comes to pricing their homes, since many sellers get their unrealistic listing prices from Zillow in the first place, but oh well...

Personally, I see too many people approach pricing from the viewpoint of, "Ok, we want/need to get X dollars from the sale of our home, so this is what the price has to be." And I understand that, but unfortunately, the market doesn't really care what someone wants or needs to net from their home sale, especially right now. It's harsh, but it's true.

Having said all of that, I definitely think sellers are finally starting to wake up and smell the buyer's market coffee. I'm seeing more realistic initial pricing, more price reductions when a property isn't showing/selling, and more flexibility with contract terms.

rocketsquirrel's picture

I think south has been

I think south has been undervalued for some time. We bought a beautiful 2800 sf, 5 br home in south Knox (close in) around 1995 for $115k. People said we were crazy, we paid too much. Our own realtor said we'd have to sit on it for 10 years to break even.

We put some money into it, renovated, and sold it four years later--for $162k. We sold it for $57 a square foot.

South is still undervalued, especially on a cost per square foot basis.

Joe328's picture

South Knox and Seymour

South Knoxville and Seymour are growing fast. Both areas seem to be doing well in this slow economy. Commercial building is booming in Seymour compared to other areas and few if any buildings are empty in Seymour.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

What she said

I think it's ironic that this article quotes a Zillow spokesperson talking about homewoners not being in touch with reality when it comes to pricing their homes, since many sellers get their unrealistic listing prices from Zillow in the first place...

That was exactly what I was thinking, Suzy.

I've checked Zillow for the value of my (modest) home from time to time, just for a good belly laugh.

I checked again just now. Looks like Zillow's valuation is still running about 11% above my home's assessed value for tax purposes.

I'd be curious to hear from others, especially in Knox County. Is this pretty much what you're now seeing at Zillow in relation to your home's assessed value?

(I've never had any appraisal on my nine year-old home, so however wacky their math, tools like Zillow are about the only frame of reference I have...)

R. Neal's picture

Last time I checked Zillow

Last time I checked Zillow it showed our house at about half of what what we could get about one hour after putting out a FSBO sign. So, yeah, it's not very realistic.

You can't guesstimate values based on comps by zip code or radius. It has to be a subjective evaluation by eyeballs who know the area. Like a realtor with access to the full MLS data, or consumers who keep up with sales and know how to mine the property tax records and make some SWAGs.

Also, asking price != sales prices, so you can't even go by current realtor.com listings in the same neighborhood.

EDIT: Just checked, and it's better but still about 30% low on ours. It's WAY off on a custom-built builder-occupied house for sale next door. Of course, it ain't selling because he probably overbuilt at the height of irrational exuberance.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Zillow "low-balled" you???

How odd, Randy. I've checked Zillow for my home's value, my mom's home's value, and several others for friends, over the years.

In every instance, Zillow's estimates were laughably high.

R. Neal's picture

I Know. It's crazy. And

I Know. It's crazy. And we're not one of these unrealistic "want/need to get a certain price" homeowners. We are very realistic about what we could sell for, tomorrow if we had to. The only thing I can figure is that there is an unrealistic averaging effect that takes in to account the pockets of poverty and the million dollar homes and everything in between in an X-mile radius. Which isn't very realistic, in my view.

R. Neal's picture

Just checked my parents'

Just checked my parents' house. Zillow is in the ballpark, maybe slightly low, perhaps adjusted for the current buyer's market. It's an older, more established and stable neighborhood, though, and they show better comps (because there ain't much else around). Go figure.

Tess's picture

They low-balled me

I am close-in with river view and private river access and they don't seem to factor that into their equasion. They use the house size in the same zip code for the comparables.

My dirt value is what they have my place valued for. But that is okay, I am not going anywhere.

Tennessee Jed's picture

it is real

It sure hit me when my ARM loan payment went way up and they would not re-finance because it was worth less than what was owed on it after putting 12k down three years earlier. It sure hits home when you are losing your home by doing a short-sale and renting a crappy rental house with no relief in sight.

I was ahead of the curve on this CountryWide home loan ARM scam, so it looks like no help for me in this bail-out package as well. Thanks corporate America, you sure need my taxation help, don't ya?

I also grow weary of hearing from wingnuts how people had gotten loans that had no business trying to buy a house. I say, if you want a nation of non-ownership, you are well on your way to having one. Republicans calling Democrats socialist, what a joke! After enacting the largest Federalization of the banking and insurance corporations from a Republican cabinet and President.

I have reformulated my version of the American dream to not own a damn thing, be out of the threat of litigation by being "worthless" and use Federal Prision system for my retirement plan...the new America.

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Tamara Shepherd's picture

By how much did value drop?

Jed, several of us here have been wondering aloud, in this conversation and in others, by how much have home prices fallen in Knoxville/Knox County?

You're anonymous. Could you tell us what you paid for your home three years ago, and what you were told it was worth at the time your ARM agreement expired?

Tennessee Jed's picture

details

I paid 122k (round numbers)put down 12k (Fountain City area). A year later my wife gets sick misses a year of work so I take 2nd mortgage for 10k (my mistake) to keep up. So I am back up to having a note of 120k. Two years pass with a combined payment of about $800 per month, then it goes to just over $1200 per month. I start trying to refinance, call Countrywide, no help, pay new payment or they foreclose. I start to get behind, then no one will touch me I am late on my mortgage payments. One creative financier (loan shark) tells me he would do it, but I need to come up with another down payment because he believed it would not appraise for 120k. Another group takes my case to short-sale and save me a foreclosure. The house closed at 107k, Countrywide sent me a 1099 for difference 13k, I wrote IRS to beg forgiveness because I lost my home and down payment and never deposited a 13k check it was a pure loss on my part and a paper loss on theirs. They were most likely starting to see this pattern and forgave my tax liability (which should have never happened).

Somehow the leadership of our country both political and corporate see no value in ownership for its little people as long as they can maintain power and cash, it won't last for long before there is no Wall Street...gee what has happened?

Flog your workhorse to death and carry your own water and chop your own damn wood, I say.

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Tennessee Jed's picture

IRS forgiveness

Yes Metulj, that IRS thing went pretty smooth with one phone call and a letter. I was surprised, I ether told a convincing lie or the truth...its so hard to tell when I truly believe my own perspective.

I am that Ivor Cutler quote.
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Rachel's picture

The IRS stuff may be

The IRS stuff may be derailing the thread a bit but... last year we got a big refund (long story). But when the check came it was $1000 less than it should have been. I figured I was in for months of complicated communications with the IRS.

Called them; talked to a nice woman who looked at our account and pointed out that one of our quarterly payments was $1000 less than the other three. I said "not hardly." She said "get the #s off the back of the canceled check and call us back."

Logged on to the credit union; found out that we wrote two checks for that estimate; got the #s off both. Called back; talked to another nice woman; gave her the #s. She looks them up and says "oops, we credited one of those checks - the $1000 one - to the wrong account." Told me it was fixed now and we'd have a check in 4 weeks.

I spent a total of less than an hour on this.

Check showed up on time and it was actually for $1010.38.

I wish they hadn't made the mistake in the first place, but I was very impressed with the service I received.

Re: Zillow. The amount listed with our street # is maybe 20% low. But all the street #s on the houses are incorrect (our street # is associated with a house located 6 houses down the street) so I really can't tell what the heck is going on.

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