The Obama administration is taking shape. So far...
Cabinet posts:
• Secretary of State: Hillary Clinton
• Attorney General: Eric Holder
• Homeland Security: Janet Napolitano
• Treasury: Timothy Geithner
• Health and Human Services: Tom Daschle
• Commerce: Bill Richardson
White House staff:
• Chief of Staff: Rahm Emanuel
• Senior Advisor: David Axelrod
• White House Counsel: Greg Craig
• Communications Director: Ellen Moran
• Press Secretary: Robert Gibbs
Others:
• National Security Advisor: James Jones
• National Economic Council: Lawrence Summers
• Council of Economic Advisors: Christina Romer
• CIA Director: John Brennan
So far I'm impressed. What do you think?
Other names being mentioned:
Defense: Robert Gates, Richard Danzig, Chuck Hagel, Jack Reed, John Hamre
Agriculture: Tom Buis, Charles Stenholm.
Interior: Raul M. Grijalva, John Kitzhaber, Tony Knowles, Mike Thompson.
Labor: Ed McElroy, Dick Gephardt, Linda Chavez-Thompson, David Bonior, Maria Echaveste.
Education: Roy Barnes, Kathleen Sebelius, Arne Duncan, Linda Darling-Hammond, Colin Powell.
Energy: Dan Reicher, Philip Sharp, Kathleen Sebelius.
Transportation: Jane Garvey, Mortimer Downey, Dick Gephardt, Kathleen Sebelius.
Veterans Affairs: Tammy Duckworth, Anthony Brown, Max Cleland.
Housing & Urban Development: Manny Diaz, James Clyburn, Renee Glover, Nicolas Retsinas, Shaun Donovan, Adolfo Carrion Jr.
National Intelligence Director: Denny Blair, Tim Roemer, Jane Harman, Don Kerr, Jami Miscik.
EPA: Lisa P. Jackson, Mary Nichols, Kathleen McGinty.
Office of Management and Budget: Peter Orszag.
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Thought Hagel was retiring
Thought Hagel was retiring from the Senate this year. I would like a Dem as Secretary of Defense, maybe Wesley Clark. The lie/meme that Republicans are strong on defense should be destroyed forever. Having one in that position doesn't help.
Not that the President-Elect has asked me yet...
but from his short list, I'd go with John Hamre as my first choice, Robert Gates as a close second. I confess a bias toward career wonks in posts like this, and both of these men have come up through the ranks... Gates through the CIA and Hamre through the CBO. From a broader list of qualified candidates, I'd try to coax Peter Schoomaker back out of retirement for a second time to take the cabinet post.
Cleland at Veterans Affairs
Cleland at Veterans Affairs would be great. That's a good place for Hagel too (and he is retiring).
Over all, these seem like solid picks so far. Just so long as Obama stays away from Bobby Kennedy, Jr. for EPA.
Some I like, others I don't...
I really like the choices of James Jones, John Brennan, Timoth Geithner, and Larry Summers. Enough said.
I really do not like Ellen Moran pick. She's a fundraiser, a skid greaser, not really a natural for CD. I think HRC would be much better suited to HHS than SoS. I realize there's no way she'd accept a "minor" cabinet post, but personality-wise, she could prove a liability in state. I hope I'm wrong, but she doesn't have a great track record in areas requiring tact and diplomacy. Especially after the past 8 years, it would be nice to have a "likable" Secretary of State, and "likability" or the lack thereof, helped cost her the nomination.
The choice of Peter Orszag for OMB would be very interesting. His addition would pretty well lock out the neo-Keynesian and "innovation investment" economic policy thinkers from all the major economic posts. It would pretty well be a 3 for 3 from the Robert Rubin wing of the Democratic Party's economic wonks: strict fiscal discipline, commitment to globalization, and constraining the growth of federal entitlement programs. Orszag, in particular, is from the London School of Economics (quite literally, it turns out) as opposed to Cambridge. That means a healthy dose of Friedrich Hayek instead of John Maynard Keynes.
Not surprised you don't like Hayek,
though he is a leading influence among "liberal" leaning economists as opposed to Uncle Miltie who's so beloved on the right. Does that place you in the neo-Keynesian camp of the progressives? Given your, uh, "unique" view of economics as a discipline, I'm curious where you sit.
I'm a fan of Joseph Schumpeter too...
mainly from his work in microeconomics and business cycles. I'm a bit surprised that you're a fan of his, though (and didn't know that). I'm troubled by his warning that a tendency among democratic peoples to elect "social democrats" will lead to a welfare state, corporatism, and, ultimately, a socialist economy through the back door (his book, Capitalism, Socialism, and Democracy). Most progressives would reject that warning as so much hyperbole or playing to the modern "progressive = socialist" rhetoric coming from the right. Your finding sympathy for a man who championed the notion that the "creative destruction" required by and created through entrepreneurship would be inevitably be stifled within a social democracy heavily invested in protecting a status quo is very surprising to me. But at the same time, I've talked to people who took Schumpeter as actually championing back door socialism rather than offering his book as a subtle criticism.
Coming from an engineering background, I really don't have a dog in the fight over how economics is "deified" compared to other social sciences. If I had it to do over again and had the ability to forsake all love of money, I'd give history a try. Economics is a whole lot of very hard math ultimately arriving at a guess, regardless of whether you're looking backwards or forwards through time. You can do that in history without all the math.
A fool and wikipedia are soon introduced...
but now that I've gone and read his "biography" there, I catch your drift.
It's been a long time since I slogged through Capitalism, Socialism, and Democracy (er, I guess Bush the elder was still president? Yikes.) But I keep a quote of his in a word document of "important points" that I pull out of the various things I've read. Whether you view it as a warning or the championing of the relationship between social democracy and socialism as an economic institution, and how each are tied to what he calls the "intellectual group," is still pretty clear. Reading between the lines, and it's hard to do that with what you write so forgive me if I screw it up, you favor a gradual, non-revolutionary migration toward socialism as an economic system through the expansion of the welfare state?
Anyway, the quote I keep as a personal treasure is:
"“The intellectual group cannot help nibbling, because it lives on criticism and its whole position depends on criticism that stings; and criticisms of persons and of current events will, in a situation in which nothing is sacrosanct, fatally issue in criticism of classes and institutions.”"
I take that as a warning that there are those who will make use of the education and lifestyles afforded them by the capitalist system to criticize it quite literally to death. I guess you could see it as an advocacy of doing exactly that.
Couldn't make the connection...
I'm only passingly familiar with Bob Jessop and less than that with Ms. Sassen. I confess approaching economics from such a sociologist's perspective is completely foreign to me. I've approached the subject from within economics itself (especially Keynes, Friedman, Hayek, and Samuelson) and from a more business or managerial perpspective (principally Drucker and Toffler).
All good selections and it
All good selections and it will allow for Obama to fire Hillary, after she shows her ass, and get her out of the public eye for good. I do enjoy reading a quote from the new AG about terrorists. This is from CNN, January, 2002, regarding terrorists.
"It seems to me that given the way in which they have conducted themselves, however, that they are not, in fact, entitled to the protection of the Geneva Convention. They are not prisoners of war...."
WOW! Imagine that and then with such a moderate econ team and smart move with Gates, mmmm, could Obama being trying to get it right the first time around?
Obama will shut down
Obama will shut down Guantanamo in his first 100 days.
So, if it is shut down where
So, if it is shut down where will the detainee's go? What will happen if one of those detainee's get out somehow and kill another 3,000 or so? I think Obama is now weighing that reality and what that would do to his Presidency. This is the central question of Gitmo and not the screams of torture or any other rant but what will happen if one of them gets out and kills.
Answer the question: where
Answer the question: where will the detainee's go? It's one thing to have the high-minded rants of a candidate during a campaign but now what are the logistics of it? Saying one will close Gitmo so that they can distance their campaign from another is great politicking but now that is not the issue. The issue is where will those 255 detainee's go that are now held there. So, please answer the question and refrain my posting what you are clearly not knowledgeable of in regards to my political beliefs.
President-elect Obama is presently showing that for whatever he said on the campaign trail he may be willing to see the big picture now and his actions with the nominations for his cabinet are a good sign of seeking bipartisanship. That bipartisanship will be totally ruined if he shuts down Gitmo without a plan for what to really do with the detainee's and one of them comes back to haunt him by killing more Americans. In effect, that would destroy his Presidency, and as such I think he is taking a much more serious look at it. Also, since he has received his first full-blown national security briefing he has greatly reduced his rhetoric about how bad things were and about how Gitmo was a priority. Now I ask you and others here are you willing to house the detainee's? Are you in your passion willing to stick your neck out for the rights that you claim that they have when Obama's new AG has said that they fall outside the scope of the GC? Now it may be that Gitmo is gonna close but talking about it is one thing and doing it is another and without a detailed, and I mean fine detailed plan, it ain't gonna happen. So, I ask you again, where will the detainee's go?
Some will go to federal
Some will go to federal court where they will be tried on criminal charges, if there are any, as they should have been in the first place. The rest will be deported, presumably to our new puppet regimes in the Middle East.
But, but, but... they're
But, but, but... they're Arabs! They must be guilty [of something] or they wouldn't be [unofficially] in jail [in a location where US civil jurisdiction doesn't really quite extend]!
(Our troll is probably unaffected by the story of Maher Arar, one of the most horrific stories to come out of the whole "post-9/11" world. (link...) Long story short, the US government "rendered" Arar - a Canadian citizen - to sunnier climes [so that he could be tortured under suspicion of being a terrorist]. But what do civil rights and Western civilization mean anyway if we can't have our surrogates apply electrical current to a suspect's exposed skin?)
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You still are avoiding the
You still are avoiding the main point of the Gitmo issue. It is irrelevant as to whether they should of, could of, would of, and all of the crying about this or that does not address the central question of if Gitmo closes and just one of those detainee's comes back to kill another 3,000 Americans, that will ruin the Obama Presidency. Thus, for all of the high-minded ranting about Gitmo, is Obama going to close it or make sure that his Presidency gets off to the good start it appears to be doing? I do not think that a single liberal who voted for Obama understands this very real political issue now facing him and what a Machaveillian focused politician like Obama will do to protect his first term as US President.
You still are avoiding the
No, you are. The main point is this: despite the pee in your pants at the idea of letting these people go free, indefinite detention without trial is a crime against humanity.
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Maybe but what matters is
Maybe but what matters is whether it violates the US Constitution and most of all what will happen to an Obama Presidency should he close Gitmo and one of them comes back to haunt him. Obama may claim whatever he wants as to what it violates but I am betting that he will not risk ruining his first term so he can placate a very small percentage of the electorate (the very Far Left) and thus Gitmo may or may not close. Indefinite detention of 300 or so to prevent another mass killing of over 3,000 is a numbers game and the the reality is that 3,000 or more outweigh the 300 or so. You still have not answered the other question of are you willing to take the detainee's you defend so much into your own home?
Indefinite detention of 300
Fallacy.
There's only about six billion more possible suspects to worry about.
It's a bullshit question. They have their own homes to return to.
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No, the six billion
No, the six billion residents of Earth are not, as a whole, out to kill either other people or specifically Americans. It is those being detained at Gitmo and those like them that are issue.
No, it is not "bullshit question" as you are the who so passionately defends these detainee's as if they are 100% innocent. So innocent that they, in fact, are not allowed back into their home nations and few of them have any "home" to return to because of the lifestyle that they have lived for years.
You are vigorously defending the Gitmo detainee's but you will not even touch the central point of what Obama will or will not do once he is sworn in and that is what will happen if one of them gets out and kills in another mass murder? Answer that one question.
I am vigorously defending
I am vigorously defending our system of jurisprudence. I'm defending our tradition of being a "nation of laws" based on the Constitution and all of that quaint stuff that Republican'ts couldn't care less about.
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Stick to the issue, as I
Stick to the issue, as I never said I was a "Republican." I am very conservative in my political beliefs but NOT a Republican as their concept of being conservative is nowhere near mine. Also, please answer the question of what will happen if one of those detainees kills once they are released?
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If you're such an extreme conservative that even the Bushist Republicans aren't authoritarian enough for you, will you surrender for permanent internment with other wingnut domestic terror threats? After all, Tim McVeigh proved that you guys might be a danger.
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McVeigh was a criminal, just
McVeigh was a criminal, just like Ayers, and those two people are their own category and need to stay that way. Also, the only authoritarian rage you have is for what has allegedly been done to non-Americans, since I see that you, I, and others are quite capable of saying what we want. Furthermore, you and your friends here are unwilling to answer one simple question that is of extreme importance to the upcoming 44th President, why is that? So, try answering the question instead of doing what every liberal for the last 50 years has done when confronted with the truth, name-call and yell as well as rant and engage in high-minded denouncements without ever answering the question at hand in a direct manner. I seriously doubt that you have any idea whatsoever as to what a domestic terror threat actually is or have ever met a domestic terrorist. Thus, save that childish rant for someone else and answer my question about the release of Gitmo detainees upon an Obama administration as I am very curious to know why no liberal/progressive here is willing to address the possible worst case scenario of what will happen if a detainee is released and they kill.
In which I feed the troll (my bad)
You're an idiot. You can make the fine distinctions between yourself and Tim McVeigh, but you can't make the very coarse distinction between the innocent (some already released) and the guilty in Guantánamo. This is because you have a warped and bigoted understanding of the equality and individuality of moral agents.
We already live under the possibility of the worst-case scenario. I believe that the release of Guantánamo detainees does not materially affect that fact. I could be wrong, but I could not live up to the ideals on which America was built if I were willing to hold them forever based on that doubt.
You, on the other hand, could and would. Which is why you would be locked up if we lived under your understanding of how America promises safety. I believe that liberty under law promises relative safety. You, on the other hand, believe in an authoritarianism that has never before existed in America, not even during the Civil War or WWII, both of which were more dangerous to the lives of Americans and the existence of our democratic experiment.
If that's not enough sweet reason for you, then fuck off.
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Arab is an ethnicity and not
Arab is an ethnicity and not a nationality. Those being held are there because of the possibility of them killing, right or wrong, and the issue of all of this mouth about torture ignores the real issue: what will happen to an Obama Presidency if they are released, for whatever reason, and they successfully kill again. Quite frankly, one Canadian in comparison to thousands of Americans being killed is an acceptable equation and unless you personally are willing to take into your home these detainee's you and other liberals defend so passionately, your rants wring hollow.
A word from the grammar fairy
Ok, I don't usually correct grammar or spelling because a) mine isn't perfect, and 2) anybody can make a typo.
But if you ask us one more time "where will the detainee's go?" I will have to hunt you down and kill you.
Seriously. The word you want is simply the plural of detainee. It's "detainees". You are not dealing with possessives, nor are you constructing a contraction. None of those messy confusing quotation marks required.
And yeah, where they will go is a real problem. Some can probably return to their home countries; some will undoubtedly be tried in American courts. There are others that it will be difficult to place, since they can't return to their own countries (some because they would be killed).
But what kind of country forces people into dentention and then says "whoops, we'll have to keep you locked up forever because we don't know what else to do with you?"
Not ours. Not any more.
No liberal in this nation is
No liberal in this nation is willing to address the truly important point of Gitmo, what will happen to the Presidency of the President who releases them and they kill thousands of Americans, AGAIN! It may feel great for liberals to sit on their high horse of morality and look as if they are so sure of their cause of setting free those that they and only they deem worthy of not being detained but that ignores the political reality of just one of them killing again after release and the repercussions from that. So, stick to that question and answer it because I am curious to see if a liberal will actually argue that the death of thousands of Americans are worth their cause and their cause only. I do not think that Obama is going to close it unless he has a very detailed plan to keep those current detainees locked up as he would rather work on appeasing the Far Left and keeping all of you at bay and protecting his Presidency than the fallout he would have if the worst case scenario happens. Now he may actually close Gitmo but I write it here and now that not a one of those detainees are getting out. Given that he is lawyer he may develop some legally creative way to maintain their detention without it being at Gitmo but he is too much of a Machaveillian to even remotely let such a blunder haunt his entire first term (and that would be his only term as well). Now to me, I don't care either way as long as none gets loose to kill again and yeah, before anyone starts I can sleep at night knowing that the 255 locked up may not be right but that means me and mine are not in danger from them.
In regards to your question
In regards to your question at the end of your post, the answer is the kind that seeks to protect ITS citizens and keep them alive as that is any nations first duty and to be honest, only duty.
as that is any nations first
as that is any nations first duty
Don't give up entirely on those apostrophes. You do need one here (it's "nation's").
And of course I had to go and demonstrate that I should never play the role of grammar fairy. How embarrassing to realize I wrote "quotation mark" in the post above when I meant "apostrophe".
But I didn't do it 17 times.
Your argument that innocent people (and the detainees at Gitmo have to be considered innocent if we can't bring charges against them) should be jailed because of what they MIGHT do is profoundly unamerican. Maybe we should lock YOU up because you clearly despise liberals, and may do harm to one of us some day.
Bet you loved Minority Report.
Well, the last time I
Well, the last time I checked there were 3,000-plus killed on one attack among the many others killed over the years and every time it was the same perps that did it. We are NOT talking about American citizens but about other citizens and the fact that the US Congress never declared war is the real reason this legal limbo and mumbo-jumbo exists in the first place. However, you still have not answered the question of what will happen if one of them gets loose and kills again? What would that do to Obama's Presidency? Furthermore, you may assume that a conservative like me wants that but no I do not and both for seeing lives protected as well as not wanting to see the Presidency in any more of mess.
FYI-I would recommend that movie for everyone as from a criminological standpoint it shows the dangers of why science is NOT the savior of crime that most think so. However, that is another issue altogether from the issue here and whether or not I like liberals is not the issue either. I only dislike the politics of liberals unlike liberals who seem to expel vehemence of a personal nature that defies gravity. Politics is one thing, personal is another and few liberals seem to be able to distinguish the two.
Finally, this is the Internet and with the way that most of multi-task on it and are typing 2-3 posts at once you cannot be serious about grammar? Why do you think emoticons exist? If I was concerned about grammar I would focus only at papers but I have thick skin so if you to rant about the grammar it will not offend me. :-) Oooh look, there's an emoticon, imagine that?
So, does that mean it is
So, does that mean it is okay since it was less than 2,900? However, if one adds in all of those Americans killed by terrorists over the last two decades then there are more than 3,000 dead. Thus, you and others avoid the main question that has been asked, what will happen if one freed detainee kills after his release?
By the same logic: When an
By the same logic: When an American is killed by a terrorist while Gitmo is still open, we can safely assume that Gitmo is a failure.
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I have not argued that it is
I have not argued that it is a success but can you please point out when any American has died from a terrorist attack on American soil or anywhere for that matter, since Gitmo opened. Necessary evil of political reality is what Gitmo is and the results of NO ATTACKS on American soil speak for themselves. I really believe that many liberals just do not understand the paradigm change of what has happened and the potential for thousands of lives to be at stake and that we are not talking about anything else. You want to rant about violations of the Constitution then do that but that ignores the reality of politics in 2008. I say that because I have yet to see anyone here or other blogs or in actual discussion argue that they are willing to see the release of the detainees (hope the grammar fairy is watching) if that means one of them will kill again and that potential for killing by a detainee is the sole issue of Gitmo, not all of this high-minded morality and legalese. So, please tell me this, who is willing to argue that Obama should take the risk of releasing the Gitmo detainees for a high and noble purpose when one of them may very well kill several thousand American not long after their release. Now as I have said previously, if you want to argue how the detainees are kept under key that is fine but who here is going to argue flat out and unconditionally that Obama should just shut it down and turn 'em loose?
who here is going to argue
who here is going to argue flat out and unconditionally that Obama should just shut it down and turn 'em loose?
Obama should shut down Gitmo. Period. Any persons (let's call them PEOPLE, shall we?) we don't have evidence against should be released. That's how we do things in this country.
Is that clear enough for you?
and when one of those
and when one of those detainees comes back to kill several thousand more Americans what then? Those are NOT Americans being detained and the reality of it is are you going to argue that the next President is going to be willing to risk his entire Presidency on the hope that one of them does not come back to haunt him?
I answered your question
I answered your question (see above). I can't help it if you don't like the answer.
Karl Rove's politics
You want to rant about violations of the Constitution then do that but that ignores the reality of politics in 2008.
Whereas you want to sacrifice the rule of law to Karl Rove's politics...
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You know, the power that you
You know, the power that you and other liberals attribute to Karl Rove is amazing. Do you blame the weather on him too? When my travel plans don't work out should I blame him? Many of you really need to get a grip on how much power that person has never had and learn to address the issues at hand. Liberals attribute power to him the same way that neo-Nazi groups do with Jews. You see conspiracy everywhere and especially were none exist. Rove was a political player that got a little attention because of some good methods of campaign work, that Howard Dean has mostly copied and done very well with I might add but this grand conspiracy of Rove's is silly as well as incorrect.
It's an identifying label,
It's an identifying label, dipweed.
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Emoticons exist for people
Emoticons exist for people who can't express themselves well enough in writing to be understood. Or to be cute. You pick.
Bad grammar exists so that everyone can express thoughts, no matter how ignorantly developed and poorly thought through those thoughts might be. Or to hide brilliance from those who have actually mastered grammar. You pick.
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Yeah, all of those "new
Yeah, all of those "new regimes" are under America's control. Whew, can you and other liberals not join reality?
The "concern troll" makes
The "concern troll" makes another appearance.
Hey, the Bushists have
Hey, the Bushists have already released hundreds of Guantánamo prisoners. Did that ruin Duhbya's Presidency? Or, more to the point, would that have ruined his Presidency if he had not already ruined it?
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It would have had one of
It would have had one of them come back to haunt him and the question for Obama, as the new President come January 20, is with what he sees as the role of the feds in the economy and that being his prime issue why would he risk anything that could jeopardize what so far seems to be a good start to his next four years? Are you arguing that President Obama should take the risk of releasing the detainees while the economy has its concerns and let a terrorist attack drive his Presidency, as did Bush, for four years?
Time for recipes?
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I have seen Transportation possibly being
Oregon Congressman Earl Blumenauer. So you think that is out? I bet the road building lobby would fight him hard.
Great candidate. I foresee
Great candidate. I foresee a bicycle transportation works project in the future. The road builders can switch over to bike roads.
Brian A.
I'd rather be cycling.
Blumenauer is an appt that
Blumenauer is an appt that I'd really LOVE to see. Earl kicks butt.
The list for Interior is impressive as well. That's a place where there's much Bush damage to be undone.
He's probably nowhere on the radar...
since this post is usually considered "safe" for a more political appointment, but Alexander Kummant would be an interesting choice. He has experience running some very large organizations, and coming from UP and as CEO of Amtrak, he's going to have a natural bias toward improving our rail infrastructure. I have no idea as to his political affiliation.
"Dr. Doom" gives the Obama
"Dr. Doom" gives the Obama economic team a thumbs up.
Brian A.
I'd rather be cycling.
An update on Brennan at
An update on Brennan at CIA.
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Not sure about Richard Clarke in that post, though. Maybe a deuputy National Security Advisor (is there such a thing?) or something...
CIA Chief - Plame
The natural choice would be Valarie Plame.
Competent, knows her way around, based in the ground work, not the political leadership of the agency, and it would be sweet karma.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
Hunter S. Thompson
Plame?
Isn't that a little like asking a First Sergeant to take over command of a division? He may be very smart, very capable at what he does, very highly motivated, but he lacks the command experience and training required to really do that job. Karma, yes. Smart move? Not really.
Isn't that a little like
Dude, we had a no-show Guardsman in command of our country for 8 years.
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No Show Guardsman...
And you're happy with how that turned out?
Not defending it. Just
Not defending it. Just sayin'.
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Too bad about Brennan...
he was the most qualified man for the job that Obama had available. Two other realistic candidates for the CIA post would be Robert Harding and Donald Kerr. Both have extensive backgrounds in national intelligence generally with Kerr also specifically inside the CIA. The downside on Kerr is he's a tech guy - spy sattelites and U2 flights. Given our current threats, a ground pounder might be a wiser choice. Harding comes from army G2 so he has some background in human intelligence at the tactical level, though not stratetic "deep cover" type experience. Military intelligence and the CIA also have a somewhat "checkered" history of cooperation, so there may be internal resistence.
On the whole, I'd have much preferred Brennan, but I'll take Kerr or Harding over someone from either the House or Senate Intelligence committees or similar "political" choice. Right now, especially right now, we need a pro in the job.