In spite of it being Wednesday, the day after the election is likely to leave supporters of both the Clinton and Obama camps feeling like they're battling the Monday morning blues. (link...)

Clinton did well. Her election night speech sounded like the election was all sewed up and she was the triumphant winner. Her supporters were deservedly jubuliant over the vote they helped achieve. Clinton won several of the critical states she needed to show she was not falling behind Obama. Her stance on health care was apparently more popular than Obama's, and she was considered a better commander-in-chief in at least one pre-election poll. White men were not however flocking to the Hillary camp. As Tim Russert said this morning on Cup of Joe, "Hillary has a white-man problem." He said that time is on Obama's side. "Obama keeps picking up voters, while Hillary already has her voters." He also pointed out that Clinton supporters have already spent a lot of money and may be running low while Obama continues to receive large contributuons through his internet site and small donations. In spite of last night's election results, the Clinton camp has to realize this election is now a neck-and-neck horserace.

Obama failed to win California due to the large Hispanic and Asian populations which remained steadfastedly loyal to Clinton, but he did win more states than she did--13 to her 8, and the states which have not voted yet, according to the pundits, seem to favor him. His weakest point is his lack of popularity among the more traditional working-class Democrats. Tim Russet said," Barack has the PHDs, the Starbuck crowd, the African American vote and the young people, but he needs to appeal to the Dunkin' Donuts, blue-collar, Reagan democrats." In spite of the fact that the possibilty of Obama in the end getting more delagete votes than Clinton is still open, he has to realize this is still an uphill battle. There is a whole lot of work to do.

This morning the reality is clear. Inspite of tremendous effort and passionate emotions in both camps, the results of the primary leaves no one breathing a sigh of relief. It will take a few days for the Clinton and Obama campaigns to assess the results and re-group. But now that the margins have been narrowed and the weak areas of both campaigns are exposed, the work will be harder than ever.

Who will be up to it?

That's still (sigh) up in the air.

Andy Axel's picture

Obama failed to win

Obama failed to win California due to the large Hispanic and Asian populations which remained steadfastedly loyal to Clinton, but he did win more states than she did--13 to her 8, and the states which have not voted yet, according to the pundits, seem to favor him.

This is the sort of analysis that Bill Clinton got absolutely *drilled* for.


With the possible exception of things like box scores, race results, and stock market tabulations, there is no such thing as Objective Journalism. The phrase itself is a pompous contradiction in terms.

Eleanor A's picture

Respectfully, any commentary

Respectfully, any commentary by Tim Russert is not worth the air it took for him to inhale, then exhale it all out in a white-hot steam of jet-propelled bloviation.

In addition to the kind of remarks that seem to be okay for Obama supporters to make, but get we Clinton supporters called racists, classists, and worse, I noticed that Hillary is appealing mainly to folks making under $100,000 per year. This could hurt Obama in the long run, since after 8 years of Bush, most folks are not multimillionaires.

She's also rocking and rolling in many states in picking up nonblack womens' votes...if that's what Russert is talking about when he says Hillary "has" her votes, he's most likely correct for once, since it's pretty hard for those of us of the female persuasion to up and alter our genetic makeup like you'd change a pair of shoes. I suppose we'll be off to the races on racism charges again, but I can't help noticing, since it's the kind of statistic that crops up on websites like, that there are more nonblack women than the total number of blacks in this country.

As far as Hillary's folks running scared, as I mentioned in another thread? Obama won more states last night, but Hillary won states containing tens of millions more people - if you count Michigan and Florida, she's won states containing twice as much population, and then some. I hardly think Obama has a lot to crow about at this point, although it'll be interesting to see how states like Ohio and Kentucky break down. (Russert's statistic on "Hillary supporters running out of money" is from where? Seriously - there are many more worthy election commentators out there.)

Justin's picture

In January, he raised $32

In January, he raised $32 million, his campaign reported.
"Heading into the next states ... Barack Obama has a money advantage," Borger said. "And now Hillary Clinton wants to debate every single week because she doesn't have the money to compete with him for paid media. I think we'll be seeing a lot more Obama and Hillary Clinton one-on-one."


Eleanor A's picture

Can Obama keep it up? Or

Can Obama keep it up? Or did most of the money come in immediately after he won Iowa, and some folks realized he was a viable candidate? In any event, one might reasonably argue that his raising twice as much money in January should have translated into more of a showing on Super Tuesday.

Frankly, I'm not terribly worried about either candidate on this issue.

mjw's picture

Actually after New Hampshire

Actually, the money started pouring in the day after he lost New Hampshire. So it had to do with being seen as viable, but also with being seen as vulnerable. A lot of folks want him to win and are willing to put their money on the line for it. (I think he now has over 650,000 individual donors.)

As for spending it on Super Tuesday; it's pretty hard to spend money that fast. There's a lot of bookkeeping that has to be done before you can spend it. And a lot of what you'd like to spend money on needs a bit more lead time. Advertising is about the only thing you can throw money at in the short term. And he did that, but likely a lot of that money will go to spending on the later February states. He had plenty in the bank at the end of December to spend on the early races and Super Tuesday.

I suspect that Clinton will probably see an upsurge in her giving after yesterday, as well. But many of her existing donors are maxed out already, since she doesn't have as many small donors as Obama has. It'll just depend on how many new donors she can bring in. Obama had 170,000 new donors in January.

Pam Strickland's picture

And we learned today that

And we learned today that she loaned her campaign $5 million.....


Pam Strickland

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut

Bbeanster's picture

As a late convert to the

As a late convert to the Obama side, and as one who voted for Bill twice, without hesitation, I'm getting really grossed out by Eleanor A's increasingly harsh, propagandistic tone.

It's crazy for Clinton supporters to question Obama's fundraising ability in light of the fact that Pam cited above-- Hillary kicking in $5 million of her personal fortune (how'd she get so rich, btw?). I'm astonished that anyone would even attempt to make this an issue.

I voted for Obama, but am perfectly prepared to vote for Clinton if she gets the nomination. However -- I'm becoming ever more uneasy with her hardcore supporters' tactics.

The issue I dread most is the brewing fight over seating Florida delegates with full voting rights. This has the potential to blow the Dems apart come convention time. It smacks of the same kind of backroom deals most on this board have been condemning on the local level. If that happens, and if McCain taps Lieberman as his runningmate, I have not a doubt in the world that the Democrats will be ceding the presidency over to the Republicans for another four years.

Here's a pretty good discussion of the Florida issue. Note the top seven letters to the editor:


Pam Strickland's picture

I'm pretty unhappy with the

I'm pretty unhappy with the Obama camp for the same reasons.

I've decided not to be for either of them. I'm for both, and whichever one gets the nomination, I'm for that one wholeheartedly.

Re the money. She got a huge advance for a book. So, did Bill. He gives a kajillion speeches for a pretty penny......


Pam Strickland

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut

Rachel's picture

I've decided not to be for

I've decided not to be for either of them. I'm for both, and whichever one gets the nomination, I'm for that one wholeheartedly.

A most sensible attitude. I think I'll join you.

Eleanor A's picture

*I'm* the one in here

*I'm* the one in here spewing propaganda, when mostly I'm outnumbered by Obama supporters 3 to 1 who are willing to voice any number of distortions to make the facts fit their personal bias? Give me a break.

Too bad for you this place isn't called "ObamaSupportersViews"...nor will it be anytime in the near future, I suspect. I might argue you and your Obama kin are out of place, considering Hillary won the Tennessee primary this week by an overwhelming margin.

Justin's picture

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Eleanor A's picture

Nice new avatar, I assume

Nice new avatar, I assume it's a self portrait. Was it taken before or after Hillary won Tennessee by 13 points...?

Bbeanster's picture

Eleanor, you are not winning

Eleanor, you are not winning any new friends for Hillary with this behavior.

Pam Strickland's picture

I have to agree, Eleanor.

I have to agree, Eleanor. You've been through a lot of stress the last few days what with the primary being accompanied by horrible tornadoes in your part of the state. Personally, I'd be on my last thread of the rope having ridden that roller coaster. I think it might be a good idea if you gave yourself a little sabbatical -- a day or two -- away from politics, or at least posting online. Remember we all want to be friends come November.

In peace,

Pam Strickland

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut

bizgrrl's picture

I'm not sure I understand

I'm not sure I understand this "behaviour" people are unhappy about. I appreciate any input for the Clinton campaign. Just knowing there are some Democrats in Tennessee, we're all winners. It's important to discuss the issues and the campaigns. I hope we can respect each other in our support for either candidate. After August, we're going to need each other.

That picture of a crying baby was on a car of someone I know very, very well after we lost 2004. It represented the whininess of the entire Democratic party.

Eleanor A's picture

I forget in which thread I

I forget in which thread I made which comment, but seriously - one might reasonably argue that Obama should have done better on Super Tuesday, since he had twice as much money in the bank. And advertising - especially television advertising - costs A LOT more in big states like California and New York. Just a thought.

Who knows whether HRC will enjoy a similar dynamic, and whether folks will open the checkbooks to help her going forward. I read just now that she raised a few million yesterday...I really don't think the money issue is going to be the deciding factor for either of them.

Carole Borges's picture

That's not a very fair assumption

Obama is a very recent newcomer, only a short time ago few people had even heard of him. The fact that he has done as well as he has in such a short time is nothing short of a miracule (Oops! Pam relax, I didn't really mean anything literal when I chose that old saying). Hillary Clinton on the other hand has been working the Washington scene for quite a while. She has the advantage of name recognition, and a lot of people justifiably remember the Clinton years aa more properous times, which they were. The experience of being in Washington meant Clinton made a lot of friends in high places who are now eager to help her. Her husbvands alliances were easily inherited. Some pundits have said if Obama had a couple more weeks of campaigning, he would have won the primary easily. That may or may not be true, but Clinton definitely has the advantage as far as name recogniton goes. Hopefully we can all take a step back from our earnest expectations to look at the other candidate with new eyes. If we don't we could be facing four more years of Republican disastor.

Pam Strickland's picture


I honestly don't think I would have thought anything of that phrase if you hadn't called me out. However, a Clinton suporter has accused me of picking on her and not the Obama folks so maybe I should have. Yet, the fact that you called me by name .

Well.....I have work to do.

Pam Strickland

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut

RayCapps's picture

Brokered Convention?

I keep doing the math, and keep doing the math, and keep doing the math. Unless one or the other drops out or makes some horrible gaffe, I just can't see where where either is going into the convention with enough committed delegates to win the nomination outright. That bothers me. Mostly, it bothers me because I find the notion of a so-called "super delegate" completely undemocratric, stinking to high heaven of backroom politics and deal cutting. Having just endured that crap here in Knox County, I'd hate to see the Democratic Nomination decided by who can best pad the pockets of these "super delegates" with power and favors. Yuck!

Bbeanster's picture


I like John Edwards, and would have voted for him had he stayed in the race. I chose to vote for Obama mostly because i think he stands a better chance of beating McCain than does Clinton, who has the GOP attack machines salivating over what they will do to her.
The campaign ebbs and flow almost day-to-day, but overall, Obama has some serious momentum that really doesn't seem to be letting up. My sense is that the Clinton campaign, which enjoyed such a big lead not so long ago, expected a coronation and is somewhat indignant that they're going to have to fight for the remaining votes. A real campaign is not a bad thing.
Obama didn't have much of an organization in Tennessee, so I don't put much stock in the Super Tuesday results here. I wasn't contacted by anybody in his campaign, but I've lost count of the number of emails I got from the Hillary campaign, as well as the number of recorded robocalls and live pollsters from the 615 area code -- all from Hillary, too.
Now that he's caught up to her money-wise, it will be very interesting race the rest of the way out

bizgrrl's picture

the number of recorded

the number of recorded robocalls and live pollsters from the 615 area code -- all from Hillary, too.

For 95% of the calls I receive where I see a phone number I don't know, I don't answer. Thus, I've only had one campaign robocall and I think it was for a candidate out of state.

Never had an email from the Clinton campaign asking for money. Don't know why. Got plenty from Edwards. Get plenty from the DSCC.

Bbeanster's picture

The Hillary calls came from

The Hillary calls came from something called "Blue Solutions" -- 615 254-2200.

oddly, I also got a call from Huckabee.

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