I have a pair of Klipsch Quartet speakers that I use for listening to music and as front surround speakers for our home theater setup. They are now about 24 years old, after having bought them new. They were recently, to me anyway, starting to sound a little tired, and not as "crisp" or "open" and occasionally a little "harsh." It felt like something was missing. (It's likely that my tired old ears contribute to that somewhat.)
So I was looking around at new speakers out of curiosity. On a few interweb audio chat forums, I came across some info about this guy Bob Crites out of Russellville Arkansas.
Bob Crites appears to know a lot about Klipsch speakers. His company sells replacement crossovers, drivers and other stuff.
In reading up at his site about crossovers, I learned that the capacitors go bad after a while. I had no idea. In the high end Klipsch speakers, they can last about 20 years. The Quartets and some other models apparently used cheaper parts that can go bad after five or six years. Either way, my speakers were way past overdue for a crossover repair. I've had them so long I guess it was a gradual deterioration that I didn't notice until some recent unrelated updates.
So anyway, I emailed Bob Crites and asked for his recommendation. He suggested new crossovers and replacement titanium tweeter diaphragms. He assured me that installation would be easy. (He also sells capacitor only replacement kits, but they involve modifying the original crossover circuit board and soldering and stuff, so that's not for me.)
I ordered the crossovers and titanium diaphragms last week and got the kit yesterday. (They hand build the crossovers to order, so it takes a couple of days.) I installed them this morning.
I have to admit I was a little skeptical about this update making much noticeable difference. I was pleased to find out I was wrong about that. The difference is amazing, even to my tired old ears.
The sound is much cleaner, crisper and clearer. It's also "wider," for lack of a better way to describe it. The sound field fills the room. The titanium tweeter updates are indeed "smoother" as advertised. Vocals and horns and guitar solos soar. I can once again hear the sizzle of the high-hat cymbals. There seems to be less "ear fatigue" even at louder volumes.
For home theater use, surround sound dialogue seems clearer than before. (I don't use a center channel speaker.)
Installation was pretty easy as advertised, too. All you need is a Phillips screwdriver and a pair of needle-nose pliers. The first one took about an hour, the second one about 20 minutes once I had it all figured out. I took pictures of the hookups as I went along to make sure I maintained polarity. There are a LOT of screws, so a power screwdriver is recommended.
If you're just installing the crossover, you can do it all inside the box through the passive woofer opening. In my case, I was removing the tweeters anyway to replace the diaphragms, which made it easier to hook them up from the front. They're a little hard to reach from inside.
The only drama I had was with the speaker terminal connectors. The instructions said you might have to crimp them a little to get a tight fit. It took some experimenting to figure out how much. In the process of fiddling with them I somehow pulled the wire loose from one of the connectors. I managed to get it crimped back on and hopefully it will hold. (The original Klipsch connectors seem to be of higher quality and the wires were more securely attached, but I'm not complaining.)
Installing the titanium tweeter diaphragms was much simpler. That part only took about five minutes for each speaker.
The parts did not come with any paper work or instructions. (I'm guessing most audio geeks who buy stuff like this don't need them.) Instead, Bob Crites emailed links to instructions on his website:
Tweeter diaphragm replacement...
Cost for the project: $260 for a pair of new Quartet crossovers, $52 for a pair of titanium tweeter diaphragms, and $13 shipping for a total of $325.00. That sounded like a lot, but it turned out to be a bargain because it's like getting a new pair of $1000 speakers.
If you have a pair of vintage Klipsch speakers it's probably worth your while to give Bob Crites a call to see if he can help restore them to their former glory.
Some installation pics (click for bigger):
Here's the original crossover, still attached to the input terminal box. Note in the upper right corner of the circuit board there's a screw underneath that big copper coiled thing, which is glued and strapped onto the circuit board. I had to cut the strap and pry it out of the way to get to the screw to remove the old crossover from the terminal box.
Here's the new crossover installed in the bottom of the speaker box:
Here's a view inside the speaker box with the crossover installed, input wires hooked up, all ready to put back together:
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Randy:
Can't tell you how much I appreciate this.
I have a pair of Klipsch Heresy II speakers. Frankly, I can't remember when I got them, but it was a long time. Still love them and they are incredibly efficient, but this sounds like it would make them sound even better.
Thanks.
Looks like a very well
Looks like a very well designed replacement crossover, on a nice slab of cedar! It reminds me of the crossovers used by the old big Klipsch speakers I'm so fond of. And it looks like the green capacitor in the old one is the one that would be expected to provide the shortest life, but maybe the new unit sounds better also because it's better in other respects such as parts quality.
I was going to link to another small outfit that does some amazing Klipsch restorations, but that guy apparently is not doing them anymore, and there's some right-wing bullshit on his site that makes me not want to refer him business anyway. LOL, as they say.
HII Updates
I have a pair of HIIs that recently developed a problem. I bought them, mid '80s models in '89 or '90. Apparently, even back then the caps were starting to grow old. Never could find happiness with them but, never quite ready to sell them.
Not long ago a tweeter cap gave out and the tweeter quit. I decided it was time to decide what to do with them. After researching I found the crossovers are not complex and though I had not used a soldering iron or gun in decades, I still had all the stuff so decided to recap them myself. One speaker has the round cup and the other the rectangle cup. If yours has the round cup either let Bob rebuild it or buy his replacements unless you are experienced. It's a real dog. The rectangle cup unit has a pcb making it easier but still a bit of a challenge. Some experience in electrical work should be under the belt.
I had not checked the tweeters before I ordered from Bob. I assumed the tweeter was bad. I talked with him about his titanium diaphragms and from his description they sounded like they may yield some positive results as they are supposed to tame the harshness. I found out the tweeters were not bad after starting to do the work but, decided to change the diaphragms anyway. Probably should have waited to see what the cap changes would do first. When I assembled everything I changed out the original gaskets to closed cell foam to make sure the cabinets were sealed. The original gaskets were not foam but a thin rubber or butyl, so things that there could be little compression to make a seal and a couple were not installed correctly causing air leaks.
Buttoned them up and the high end lost any sense of shrillness, harsh or horn hock. The blend to the midrange is amazing, almost thought the tweeter was not working at first, the transition and integration is that good. Also, the frequency balance shifted with the brightness in the higher end shooting out, the bass seems better, though nothing done to the crossover affects the woofers low end extension.
I am talking about not a small change. Think about the difference of a West Coast sound compared to a New England sound. It reminds me of my long ago dearly departed original Cornwalls. And, that is good. They do present a problem, though. Before, they were on my to sell list and now they are up against my resurrected KLH Fives and Wharfedale W70s. The caps on the W70s and Fives have more hours on them. As it stands the order of preference is the W70s followed very closely by the Fives and further down the lime the HIIs. Not sure if they can move up enough to overtake the Fives. It has made me start wondering about pushing them further such as dampening the woofers, bracing the cabinets, stuffing the cabinets and even the ALK crossover's. The biggest shortcomings are a lack of refinement in the high end compared to the others, especially when listening to a close mic'd solo violin. The W70s really reveal the makings bringing out the wood body resonances and the strings really hit the market with virtually no coloration. The Fives lose a bit of the quality of the violinist body, it thins out a bit and is more in the background. Strings are just a bit more steely and lose the detail of the bow sliding across the windings that comprised the strings the W70s bring out without becoming distracting. The HIIs seem to put the violin's body so far in the background it all but disappears. It also does not have the defined detail of either of the others. The strings are forward and steely answer the bow's thread sliding across the strings yield only the sound of the steel strings.
On the other end of the scale, the HII's woofer is fast and is well articulated and nicely detailed. No hump is evident. Here the Five woofer shows it is an acoustic suspension drivers with its issues related to excursion, doppler effect and inertia. It goes down but that excursion with the problems messes with the details and coloration. The HIIS is also an acoustic suspension woofer but has very limited excursion. The W70 is a ported design and the woofer has quite limited extension, closer to the old infinite baffle design than the modern ported designs. It has all the advantages of the infinite baffle woofer. I May not sure the HII can successfully combat the small box limitation through stuffing to come closer to get more competitive to the W7.
What size spade connectors for 1980s Heresy II speakers?
Need to know what size spade connectors to get for 1980s Klipsch Heresy II speaker posts?
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It's amazing how many people
It's amazing how many people throw out vintage speakers because "they don't sound so good." That happened to a pair of JBL 250ti that made it to a friend's living room (see below). All they needed was a refoaming of the 14" woofer surrounds and a repair of a connection that had come loose. Can't imagine how good they sound. There's no bang-for-the-buck like good vintage hifi equipment.