Teacher representatives met with KNS editor Jack McElroy and editorial board member Scott Barker on Wednesday morning to discuss the inanity of the school system’s APEX “strategic” compensation formula.
No story Thursday, no story Friday regarding the formula’s “stinkin’ hooey.”
Today, though, we get this editorial attempting to link a Forbes magazine story touting Knoxville’s job growth to a need to support a seriously flawed budget proposal from Superintendent McIntyre:
Tennessee drew high marks in part because of its business-friendly regulatory framework and its quality work force.
A key to that quality work force is education, and that could be Tennessee's Achilles' heel. The state ranks near the bottom in both funding and achievement, a situation that must change.
Some leaders understand the need for an investment in education. Metro Nashville/Davidson County Mayor Karl Dean is proposing a 53-cent property tax increase for next year, with much of the new funding going to the city's public schools. Starting teachers there would get a $5,000-a-year raise under Dean's proposal.
In Knox County, Superintendent Jim McIntyre and the Board of Education are pushing for an increase of $35 million a year above natural revenue growth to fund school renovations, student support, merit pay for teachers, expanded instructional time, technology upgrades and other initiatives.
You can reasonably guess at the rest.
Do I sense some dogged agenda setting on the part of KNS?
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Forbes, Dean, and Jimmy Mc, oh my
It might take some time, Tamara, for your shared truths on APEX to reach KNS readers. Could be sometime after the vote the pour to pour millions into an unscientific, unfair, and damaging scheme for teacher pay that has an established research base that says RUN THE OTHER WAY.
Mayor Dean in Nashville recently ignored the needs of public schools in Nashville by pushing through a plan to spend almost 10 percent of the 5 year capital outlay budget for schools on a single project--$16 million for a KIPP, Inc. school. This, as one one the best publics, Hume Fogg Magnet, has children eating lunch in hallways, no functioning gym, and rain coming in.
Plan to find the story at Forbes and post on it. They have been very receptive to the truth on some issues in education. I guess you will find out how that goes locally.
Wasting money on merit pay
Merit pay schemes for teachers are a waste of money. Merit pay has NEVER been effective in education. Every independent research study has shown no effects on child learning. The latest study was conducted at Vanderbilt in which the teachers could earn up to $15,000 for the highest test score gains and $10,000 and $5,000 for lesser gains. There was NO significant effects. Why? Teachers were working as hard as they can.
Teachers teach because they have a strong service ethic and a desire to make profound differences in the lives of children and families; kind of like ministers or nurses. Teachers, ministers, and nurses don't expect to get rich.Rather, they prefer stability and a fair wage- why else would they choose to work with some of our most challenging students?
Teachers are not driven like businessmen or entrepreneurs who have a profound need for risk-taking.
Merit pay distorts the incentives of the teaching profession.Do we want people in the teaching profession who prefer to spend their days knee deep in the company of children or those who are driven get bonus pay? Why not simply pay teachers for all of their extra work?
The excesses of Wall St's obsession for profit (i.e., greed) caused systemic cheating and fraud that bankrupted the world economy. Is that the ethos we want to impose on our teachers and schools?
Post of the Week
jcgrim wins.
Probably irrelevant, but
The Mrs. and I were talking about the Maryville paper's editorial department. The opinion editor (who had called about publishing one of her letters) has been there for about a hundred years and we rarely agree but he readily gives voice to opposing views. A family-owned, community newspaper publisher in Greenville bought them a couple of years ago and setup a separate local subsidiary to run the paper. The long-time publisher retired, and was replaced by a guy from one of their other Tennessee papers. The executive editor and managing editor are both East TN State graduates.
Contrast that with the News Sentinel, which has an out-of-town corporate owner, an editor not from around here by way of Arizona and Colorado, and a publisher who is not from around here by way of Kansas, Ohio, New York, Texas and who also oversees newspapers in Indiana and South Carolina.
"Not from around here" is often a good thing in business because you get new blood with fresh perspectives. With a newspaper, though, it seems like you ought to have management a little more connected to the community, and not just through the Chamber of Commerce, United Way and local PR firms.
Ain't from around here
Randy,
Our editorial board consists of publisher Patrick Birmingham, editor Jack McElroy and me. While Patrick and Jack are not native East Tennesseans, I am. With the exception of my first two years of college, which were spent in Middle Tennessee, I have lived in or around Knoxville my entire life.
Hey LOOK!
A squirrel!
Hey LOOK!
jcgrim gets kudos for being the only person I've seen in this forum who has offered a position that puts more money in the school system in a way that differs from the funding proposal. The funding proposal doesn't include money for merit pay until FY2014. That means advocates for across-the-board increases have one year to persuade five school board members to change the strategic compensation component to across-the-board increases. Of course, that's only an option if the spending plan passes. If it doesn't, there's no extra money for anybody.
APEX is statistical phrenology
If the powers that be et al., think that the APEX formula has any statistical validity, they are mistaken. If they continue to ignore educators and assessment experts their failed experiments on our kids will eventually be revealed for what it is- statistical phrenology.
We need to spend money on proven methods - lowering class sizes, giving teachers more time for creative projects, and on adequate resources for classrooms and schools.
Instead, we've been starving our public schools for years and are now wasting money on evaluation schemes developed by third parties that have no real connection to learning outcomes.
Guilty as charged
Tamara,
Yes, the KNS editorial page is guilty of agenda-setting. That's what editorials do. Unlike news stories, which are written to tell the public what's going on, our editorials are written to influence public opinion. Sometimes they do just that. Sometimes they don't.
This particular editorial speaks for itself. We are pleased Knoxville and Tennessee as a whole are doing better economically and are perceived as being good places to do business. But we also believe that to maintain that momentum we need to invest in education. Other communities are doing that - which is why we included the bit about Nashville Mayor Karl Dean's proposal - and we cannot afford to get left behind.
Perhaps you were a little unclear on what a meeting with the editorial board is all about. A meeting with the editorial board is an opportunity for people to persuade the board to take a position on a particular subject. It is not a guarantee the board will adopt that position, nor is it a guarantee that the board will write an editorial on the subject at all. I don't discuss specific editorial board meetings in public forums, though I'm happy to discuss editorials and explain editorial positions once we have publicly taken them. If you would like to discuss our recent meeting, send me a private email.
A meeting with the editorial board also has nothing to do with news stories. People who want news stories need to contact reporters. I have nothing whatsoever to do with news stories that appear in the paper.
I have extended invitations to you and to the KCEA to write guest columns in which you can express your opinions without the opposing viewpoints that come with news stories. So far, no one has taken me up on the offer. The offer still stands.
For the record, in November we advocated for a one-year trial period for the new teacher evaluations to see how they work and to improve them before merit raises were based on them. State officials apparently did not see the wisdom of that position.
the paper that couldn't bond right
What a joke the Sentinel is about this school budget. Barker and his editorial board are selling the worst plan since Ragsdale wanted to bond the Sheriff's Pension. Everyone knows you don't bond a pension because over time you end up adding a third to the cost. But what did the Sentinel do back then? Thought it was a great idea. Because they were told to by the brain trust.
Now the Sentinel is selling the idea that we should have a big tax increase forever that only capitalizes buildings and a technology plan for four years. What a deal. Four years of benefit but we pay for it for the rest of our lives. The interest on the bonds would end one day. But not this brilliant plan. It keeps taking forever.
The four year capital and technology total is $70 million dollars. $27 million of that is for the so-called technology plan. $43 million for buildings. Why on earth would we pay 35 cents forever for such a scheme? We already screwed up once with the Sheriff's Pension. What does it take to learn around here?
The Sentinel is a paper that can't understand basic finance. They only understand what they are told by the brain trust. They refuse to consider anyone other than the brain trust.
We need a new brain trust and a better paper.
Re: KNS & sheriff's
Re: KNS & sheriff's pension:
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So what? The Sentinel was
So what? The Sentinel was against the Sheriff's Pension. I remember that. Now go find where they were against bonding the pension. What is this? Defend the Sentinel day? Do you work for the paper?
pension
We could start a whole new thread on pension funding but I'm too bored. There is a reason that a bond issue was the only way to fully fund the pension plan from the beginning, which has nothing at all to do with politics, but it takes too long to explain and Alan is too obtuse to understand.
foul
"There is a reason that a bond issue was the only way to fully fund the pension plan from the beginning, which has nothing at all to do with politics, but it takes too long to explain and Alan is too obtuse to understand."
That is not true. It was supposed to be a property tax increase.
befuddled
Hm. I wasn't on the editorial board during the pension vote, but our editorial position then was that it wasn't a good idea.
Your understanding of the schools budget proposal is crude. The 35 cents goes mostly to capital projects at first (pay as you go, not bonding) and then goes into operations. Get beyond the basics, please.
bad idea
"The 35 cents goes mostly to capital projects at first (pay as you go, not bonding) and then goes into operations. Get beyond the basics, please."
What it is, is a blank check to the school board. It is deceptive. And that is the basics.
please
It's no more a blank check than any other appropriation. These capital improvements get paid for up front WITHOUT ADDING TO THE DEBT. Afterwards, the money generated by the tax increase goes to operations, the details of which are readily available at the KCS website. There's no deception, no bait-and-switch. Though you can toss around jargon, you don't understand public budgets.
What I can't understand about you is that you have claimed under various names in multiple forums that the voters approved a tax increase to pay for the sheriff's pension (pay as you go) but Ragsdale opted to issue bonds for it (pay later). For the schools, however, you condemn pay-as-you-go and think going further into debt is a better way to pay for renovations. Consistency might be the hobgoblin of little minds, but outright contradiction is a symptom of mental illness.
On the other hand, are you suggesting we borrow $70 million more to renovate schools more quickly and devote the entire 35-cent tax increase to operations? I might get on board with that.
foul
"Afterwards, the money generated by the tax increase goes to operations, the details of which are readily available at the KCS website."
That is not true. There is nothing beyond year five in the budget. You are making things up. Insulting people that are correct. What is your problem?
This is a blank check. Why are you wasting our time spinning?
"Your understanding of the
"Your understanding of the schools budget proposal is crude. The 35 cents goes mostly to capital projects at first (pay as you go, not bonding) and then goes into operations. Get beyond the basics, please."
I know an unaccountable plan when I see one. It isn't pay as you go. You are being deceptive again. You know that state law requires school budgets for operational funds can never be reduced. That means we pay for it forever. It is dishonest to claim that is "pay as you go". Pay forever isn't pay as you go.
well
We pay for renovations once. That's pay as you go. Then we pay more for operations. Into the future. That's an investment in education.
"We pay for renovations once.
"We pay for renovations once. That's pay as you go. Then we pay more for operations. Into the future. That's an investment in education."
That is dishonest and deceptive.
just because
Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's deceptive.
I understand it fine. That is
I understand it fine. That is why I said it was dishonest and deceptive.
You've gone over the line.
Barker's statement is clear and as best as I can tell accurate.
(My concern is that this long overdue and probably insufficient tax increase will not be used effectively and will instead be funneled into the pockets of the friends of local politicos. Education is a people enterprise. Invest in people. But I digress.)
Barkers problem is that he keeps buying into the do-gooder bait and switch that he keeps getting from virtually everyone downtown. He's not asking specific questions and he's accepting broad general promises as specific answers. My guess would be that he's also taking the heat for nebulous decisions made by his superiors. The budget sucks, but we have to have at least this big a tax increase to get the ball rolling in the right direction.
There is also the possibility that the News-Sentinel is laying a trap and is ,as we speak, developing sources within the school to expose the incompetence of the board and downtown administrators.( Having reread the last sentence, I know. They're not a real newspaper. BUT, we can pretend they are and count on Tamara to do the heavy lifting).
I'm not wild about the plan and I've lost hope for the Sentinel, but Barker is kind of like that stray that shows up on your doorstep that you take a cotton to. "I don't know why I like this dog but I'm giving him some bacon anyway".
Alan, you're trying to crucify a guy that's doing the right thing as best he can. You are wrong again Alan.
bacon
I love bacon and will show up on your porch pronto.
Garbage disposal
Give me enough time to get this garbage disposal fixed. Right now I'm the kid in Breakfast Club that couldn't get the elephant lamp to work.
If I had my out of pocket money that I spend on sending my child to public school I could hire an electrician. ;)
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My objection is two-fold: KNS has not adopted any editorial stance cognizant of a larger trend in education nationally to privatize its public schools, nor have its reporters "told the public what's going on."
In fact, I strongly suspect its reporters may not even know "what's going on."
Fault me if you must for becoming the banshee intent on telling the public "what's going on."
Fault me for doing that now, as this budget request hangs in the balance.
I do it now for a couple of reasons, though:
One is that the impetus to reach a local audience exists now, while public attention is focused on this local budget request. True public school supporters would be foolish not to adopt the same strategy that's worked so well for the privatizers:
If that acknowledgment for the timing I choose sounds cold and calculating to your ears, though, the other reason for my timing is purely altruistic:
I care far more deeply to be of some modest impact in helping to stop this wave of public school profiteering than I care to impact adoption of a single school year's local budget--especially given that the local budget in question only serves to further entrench this public policy to which I so adamently object.
Let the chips fall where they may.
Don't let a financial crisis
Don't let a financial crisis go to waste is classic shock doctrine practice. For those who have not read Naomi Klein's book on the subject and then seen it implemented, let me recommend you read it now. It is a proven method for driving funds into large private hands and away from the public good.
Thanks to everyone for this much needed debate, especially to Tamara.
in other words
In other words, you disagree. OK. Lots of people disagree with our editorial positions. I have invited you to write something for our pages. That offer stands. You can write about the five-year (not one-year) budget proposal or you can write about the national trend you see. I don't care. It's your opinion. If you don't take advantage of the offer, though, you can't complain that we're not putting your views into the paper.
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Yes, I can complain that you're not putting "my views" in the paper.
I can also complain that you're flippin' asleep at the wheel.
I'll work on the column this weekend.
Over the last four or five days, I had a KNS editorial board meeting and a WUOT taping on my radar.
What was on your radar?
Not sure if this is the right
Not sure if this is the right place, but it's the most recent post on the topic so I'll ask here.
Who is Battelle for Kids? I mean, I've googled who they are and what they do and how they're funded (including the Gates foundation and $8.6 million from the State of Tennessee by way of federal Race to the Top grants in 2010 and other sources.)
But are their methods effective? The APEX documents and graphics at the KCS site appear to be produced by them. They are pretty and dense, so they are at least good at that. It appears most of their revenues come from consulting with local and state school boards on strategic compensation, value added testing and the like.
It looks like they developed their products and methods for Ohio and they are now being spread across the U.S. as templates for a fee. They sound like the ALEC of education.
Their executive director makes about $300K and they have several other well-compensated executives, not that there's anything wrong with that.
How much as KCS paid them? Or was it all from Race to the Top funds?
(Sorry if this has already been discussed.)
Sigh. I'd love to enter this
Sigh.
I'd love to enter this discusion - and I'm sure I'd learn something - but I just can't handle the nastiness right now. I'm getting it in too many other places.
For those of you southern born and bred - flies, honey, vinegar, etc.
That would be great advice...
...if this was Knoxville in the 50's. But it isn't, and there are a whole lot of people pushing agendas and selling systems and hauling in cash who aren't southern and who aren't being held accountable for the crap that they're foisting on Knox County schools, in particular, and Tennessee schools, in general.
I like what Mr. Neal said. This sounds like the ALEC of education.
Please
You are welcome to take my place. I'm out.
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It looks like I have. The pay sucks.
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editorial page editors
editorial page editors editorialize; they do take positions, they do advocate. it's the section where opinions are expressed.
i think the head editor of the news desk is john north.
Flies, honey, vinegar doesn't
Flies, honey, vinegar doesn't just work on southerners.
Look, I served on MPC. How do you think I reacted to an email that said "I know I can't trust you guys to do the right thing, and I know you're just in the pocket of the developers, but please vote such-and-such a way," compared to someone who made their case firmly but rationally and then politely asked for my support?
Believe me, I got plenty of correspondence of both kinds. If you want to persuade somebody, the second kind is just more effective, hands down. Plus it pretty much means you'll be listened to in the future, rather than having the mention of your name invoke eye-rolling.
But y'all just keep on attacking the folks you're trying to persuade. Perhaps that tactic will work better than I think it will.
foul
What your wrote isn't so. I know people who have written, called, contacted the News Sentinel and they won't be getting their letters to the editor or op-ed's printed. It isn't a honey or vinegar thing. The decision has been made. The facts be hanged. It's what the paper says. You can't sweet talk them into printing the other side.
Tamara is calling out the News Sentinel. Alan did too. And everybody should. They're stepping on people. And it's wrong. It's like a college basketball game that's fixed. It's the lowest thing a paper can do. They're freezing out anybody who disagrees. Like Tamara posted, that is a journalism foul.
You can take your honey. It don't matter.
Fine. Y'all keep yelling.
Fine. Y'all keep yelling. I've had enough of that from other places this week. I'm outta this one.
Um
David Allen,
Your statement is absolutely untrue. No one has contacted me about letters to the editor regarding this issue, and I'm the one responsible for them. We are, in fact, running a letter Monday in opposition to the schools funding proposal. It is the first such letter we have received.
I have extended invitations to people here an in person to write guest columns in opposition to the funding proposal. So far, not one person has taken me up on the offer. Other than my offers, no one has contacted me about writing a guest column in opposition to the proposal. No one.
Your statement is absolutely false.
foul
I wrote, "What your wrote isn't so. I know people who have written, called, contacted the News Sentinel and they won't be getting their letters to the editor or op-ed's printed."
Barker wrote, "Your statement is absolutely untrue. No one has contacted me about letters to the editor regarding this issue, and I'm the one responsible for them."
Prove it Barker. Print the Coffey Op-Ed on third grade reading. It will not see the light of day.
Remember when you wouldn't print reform4's Op-Ed. But then after you were called on it reform4 had a letter to the editor. Is that how it works? What was the excuse? Op-Ed wasn't long enough so it had to be a letter to the editor? Or some such bs.
You twist words. It's dishonest. Print the Op-Ed's.
I don't know who Coffey is
I don't know who Coffey is and haven't seen his or her op-ed. They need to send it to me at barkers@knoxnews.com. "Guest column" should go in the subject line and it needs to be 650 words or so.
Your description of my dealings with reform4 are incorrect.
"Your statement is absolutely
"Your statement is absolutely untrue. No one has contacted me about letters to the editor regarding this issue, and I'm the one responsible for them. We are, in fact, running a letter Monday in opposition to the schools funding proposal. It is the first such letter we have received."
You must have a problem at your paper Mr. Barker. I just spoke with my County Commissioner. I was asking questions about the school board budget. I told him of your claim of only receiving one letter to date. He said he had multiple complaints of letter to the editor not being printed. And he had two of those letters in his possession.
Who other than you has access to these letters to the editor?
process
I doubt there's a problem other than the usual time lag between the time we receive a letter and the time it's printed. It can range from several days to a couple of weeks, depending on volume.
Here's our process:
Letters come in via email or regular mail. A veteran, award-winning copy editor named Donna Cruze reviews them and sends the writer a message either by email or phone to verify they did indeed write the letter. Then she pastes the content into a file in our system. In the case of letters sent the old-fashioned way, she types those into a file. Because of the time involved (Donna has plenty of other duties), letters sent via regular mail typically take longer to appear in print. Every day, Donna selects letters to run in the paper and puts them into the same file. I then edit them, make any necessary changes and approve Donna's headlines (an easy job for me - she wins awards just about every year for her headline writing).
We publish letters roughly in the order we receive them, though how they fit into the allotted space also is a consideration. I said the upcoming letter was the first we have received. I made a comment to that effect Friday to Donna, who told me opposition letters are starting to come in. So I assume there are others in the pipeline. Probably the ones you're talking about, provided they sent them to the correct address. I can assure you that no one has raised this issue with me. Tell your commissioner to call me Monday.
conclusion
I realized after posting I did not complete my depiction of the process. Once all the elements have been reviewed and are on the page (editorial, letters, Charlie Daniel's cartoon, etc.), Donna prints out a page proof. I look it over. Sometimes I make changes. When I'm satisfied with it, I tell Donna the page is ready to go. She sends it on to the production folks; I prepare them for posting online. No other editor looks at the letters, to my knowledge (they theoretically could, but who has the time or inclination to do it?).
There are letters that don't get published. Those would be letters that contain vulgar language, take racist or anti-Semitic positions (we get more than our share of those), appear to be "astro-turf" (form letters used by special interest groups), or are libelous. All questionable letters are reviewed on a case-by-case basis. I've never withheld a letter merely because the writer takes a position different from the News Sentinel's. Nor has anyone ever asked me to do so. We welcome debate. That's why we publish letters to the editor and columns from various perspectives.
whatever
"appear to be "astro-turf" (form letters used by special interest groups)"
BS.
All the letters you have printed on the school budget to date are astro-turf. And your insult to David is contradicted by your own statements. A person could drive a truck through your supposed process.
Like most people here, I can't cancel my subscription to the Sentinel. That would be redundant.
apologies
I owe you, alan swartz, and everyone who has followed this thread an apology.
I posted that the letter that will run Monday is the first one in opposition to the school budget plan that we have published.
I was wrong.
A cursory search of our website (I'm not at work and can't do a more comprehensive search right now) shows that it will be at least the fourth that we have run in opposition to the plan.
I did a search on our website using the terms "letter" and "schools." It shows we have published critical letters from Terry Carruthers (May 8), Bill Daugherty (April 30) and John Pagel (April 22).
My only excuse is that I didn't remember. I like to think it's because I'm overworked, but it's also probably reflective of the fact that I don't suppress letters based on perspective.
Why?
Oh
Oh, and the same search doesn't turn up letters in support of the plan, whether astroturf or lush green grass.
Hang in there
I can't get the garbage disposal to work, but somehow the dishwashwasher is back on. There will be bacon in the morning. ;-)
That's unfair
When you're up against people that are threatening and dragging your children down, and believe me Rachel, the anecdotes in these threads are the tip of the iceberg, fighting back hard and fast is the only way to get the point across that you mean business.
If you don't believe the people downtown at the top of our county schools are inherently evil you're uninformed or not paying attention.
I spend over three thousand dollars a year for, what in a private school, would fall under tuition, and I still have to tell my son that we can't afford to do some things. Here's the kicker, I raise my children to be socially responsible so who is likely to benefit most from my private investment? Why, the community at large of course!
When our school board and administrators step up and start trying to do the right thing instead of acting like a bunch of prima donna assholes, then maybe they'll get that kind of cooperation. For now what you have is this," I'm proud of my child and what we have managed to achieve at our school despite having no support from downtown. Our Math team took a 5th in a regional competition out of 30 teams. We are the State champions in Challenging Technology Issues, and Structures. Our golf team sucks , but we are coming out of the wilderness and feel like we have a handle on operating one in our third year of doing this on a volunteer basis. I wish I had the time to change the system, but I have to depend on my newspaper and local activists or give up what time I have left with my son. Thank God for Tamara."
It gets real different real fast when people are throwing your kid under the bus.
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Rachel, Scott, and Scott--
This has nothing whatsoever to do with a newspaper's freedom to editorialize, which right I certainly acknowledge.
In his examination of this new "accountability measure" for which the school board is seeking massive funding, Jack McElroy sat across a conference room table from me and used a calculator to determine what percentage of "test-less" teachers' so-called "performance evaluations" determined by the measure would, in fact, rely on student test scores generated by some teacher other than the one actually being "evaluated."
He announced the percentage displayed on his calculator screen.
Then he made a conscious decision to sit on his finding so as to manipulate available public information pertinent to an upcoming vote of a local elected body.
Per his profession's code of ethics, he has thus far failed to "distinguish between advocacy and news reporting."
I doubt very much that his underling, John North, can override his boss's decision.
Then he made a conscious
Then he made a conscious decision to sit on his finding so as to manipulate available public information pertinent to an upcoming vote of a local elected body.
Told you his motivation, did he? Or are you reading his mind?
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Rachel--
One should certainly try to "persuade" an officeholder to vote one way or another.
One should not need to "persuade" a news agency to print news.
Not only is a news agency bound by its own code of ethics to print news, it's also the job they're paid to do.
See the difference?
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Rachel--
Deductive reasoning.
What reason do you deduce for his having thus far sat on available public information pertinent to an upcoming vote of a local elected body?
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This story just up at KNS tonight:
Powell High's Coach Inman and Coach McGill resign.
Fulton High's Coach Skeen resigns.
From the article:
Tamara
Just because a news story doesn't appear one or two days after an editor or reporter gets one tidbit of information doesn't mean a journalist is not looking into it. You need to get realistic about how the news business works.
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Well, why didn't you just say so, Scott.
All I've had to go on is this dearth of coverage on the topic over the last two days, Friday's (second) editorial urging adoption of this budget, and your very first comment here:
I realize you have nothing to do with news stories, but Jack does and he was present at the meeting.
I'm vastly relieved to think KNS is making an inquiry, which is all I've asked.
And I'd give you some bacon if you turned up on my doorstep, too.
to be clear
Tamara,
I didn't say anything about it because I don't talk about whether reporters are looking into anything or not prior to publication. If you want to discuss this further, email me at barkers@knoxnews.com. I won't respond till Monday, though.
When you're a national laughingstock
(link...)
Do the clowns in Nashville and downtown really believe our kids don't have access to national media? They know the tactics being instituted don't work, they know that evaluations are a game of "Let's be good while they're watching," and they know that they're being treated as political ping pong balls. In short they know that administrators and politicians aren't doing their job.
(link...)
And their solution is this? Talk about prima donna assholes trying to turn the table on people holding them accountable. I suppose I could take time away from helping with the fundraisers I participate in because our leaders are too gutless to stand up and do the right thing by our schoolchildren and properly fund our schools to prove to a mindless twit that I'm a competent parent, but he's still going to be a mindless twit just looking for another excuse to keep from doing his job, so I don't understand what this is actually going to help.
FWIW, Fisch....
I think the whole idea of "Parent Report Cards" is total crap.
As a teacher, I have MORE than enough paperwork to do already. What good would THIS do?
And who am I to stand in judgement of any parent? I'm not qualified to "grade" their parenting any more than the parents would be qualified to "grade" the pedogogical framework behing the Science experiment I may be doing on any given day.
Their kids show up in my classroom every day wether they are "good" parents or "bad" parents, and I make every effort I can to to make their time in my classroom worthwhile.
Just another attempt toward destabilization of our Public Ed system. If teachers and parents are pitted against one another, maybe teachers and parents won't be so apt to notice all those corporate fingers rummaging through public schools' pockets.
Invitation
You're welcome to join us for a beer if that day happens, though I'm sure as a teacher, you'll probably want water. Or possibly a V-8. ;-)
Beer...
will do just fine. I'll bring plenty.
(and I apologize for the typo in my above post which resulted in my misspelling of "whether".
FWIW
I like the fact that there are unknown teachers that care enough to apologize for a typo.
It gives me hope.
;-)
It would also be an excuse...
..to marginalize and possibly criminalize poor and undereducated parents, particularly single moms, just because the wealthy white men making the rules do not approve of them.
Bacon!
Bacon, bacon, bacon. I'll be on the porch, slobbering.
One day
I would love to sit down with you and Toby and Rachel and Randy and bizgirl and Tamara and Redmoniker (sp?) and I'm sure one or two others for a long afternoon of beer-drinking and problem solving. Just for fun and sport.
Time is such an issue in this day and age though.
As are designated drivers who don't lecture. I have no problem being driven home drunk, I just don't want to hear about how drunk I am. I already know. I'd just as soon do my drinking at home, where there's bacon.
The issues we discuss ARE important but it is more important that we set an example of civil discourse with a bit of humor and common respect so those that follow the discourse can join in and add to the discussion. I know I have been hard on the folks downtown, but they have earned that, and most know that they can easily redeem themselves by doing the right thing in support of ALL children within our system. It's not as hard to do as some would lead you to believe.
Education is a people task. Invest in people. It's pretty basic really.
Absolutely
Name a time and a place, and I'll be there. Unless, of course, the message from the black helicopters flown in from Cincinnati tell me I should not participate. And if bacon is involved, I might even try to evade detection and show up anyway.