Sandra Clark at KnoxTNToday.com:
Records with the Federal Election Commission (www.fec.gov) show payments from the Duncan for Congress Committee of $3,000 to $3,500 every other week Nov. 1, 2013, through March 20, 2017, (end of reporting period) to American Public Strategies. The registered address: 8621 Nubbin Ridge Road. The property owner: John J. Duncan.
Knox County records do not indicate whether the property owner is Duncan Jr. or Duncan III, but the younger Duncan lives there and it’s clear he has been working for his dad's campaign committee since shortly after he resigned as Knox County trustee after pleading guilty to a felony charge of official misconduct.
Not clear on why Duncan has to spend so much on campaign strategy. Here it is in a nutshell, for free:
1. File papers to get name on the ballot.
2. Get reelected.
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If there was no consulting
If there was no consulting work done (billable hours), then that's illegal. Three ways: If John Duncan, Jr owns the outfit, it is self-dealing. If John Duncan III owns it, it is a violation of campaign law at the federal level. If John Duncan III owns it and isn't claiming it as a source of income or that he profits from it, you are headed down the old fiduciary path way.
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I did find online 5 U.S. Code § 3110 - Employment of relatives; restrictions, which a site other than the one I link here explained became federal law in 1967, in response to John Kennedy having appointed his brother Bobby as U. S. Attorney General.
However, its prohibition reads as follows:
I can't see that this particular statute applies to the Duncan employment arrangement, existing as it does not within any federal agency but within the campaign?
I do agree, though, that the Duncan arrangement should be illegal (and maybe it is, under another statute). At the very least it seems to me to be inappropriate.
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Well, it looks like the practice was both legal and widespread under federal campaign law as of the 2013 date of this article:
Lawmakers add relatives to campaign payrolls
And it continued to be legal as of the 2017 date of this article (although the candidate caught enough flak to lead him to fire his wife, you'll see):
Rep. Hunter says he has halted campaign payments to his wife
Unless something has changed very recently, it looks like this is allowable? I don't like it.
(As our anonymous friend points out, whether or not Duncan III actually performed any work may be the pivotal question.)
Here we go again...
(link...)
(link...)
Seriously, your not fooling anyone. Your not. This is not groundbreaking. So why is this epifany happening now?
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(in reply to danandrews)
Jeez, Dan, if you could lay off Sandra and Betty for even a minute maybe you'd realize why the "epiphany."
First, some people probably aren't aware that this practice, eyebrow-raising as it is, is allowable under federal election law. From my above posts, you can see that I was one of them.
Secondly, some people may not have access to info at the two out-of-town papers you link, since both Chattanooga's Times-Free Press and Nashville's Tennessean are behind paywalls these days. (If our local News-Sentinel ever ran such a story, I missed it.)
And thirdly, there's this matter of scale:
Your Times-Free Press link reports Duncan having paid $7,600 total to three relatives (one of whom was his son) in 2010.
Your Tennessean link reports "ten House lawmakers" having paid a combined $8,600 to relatives (we don't know how many) in 2016,
Sandra, in contrast, reports Duncan alone paid to his son alone a *conservative* estimate of $261,000 over this period of less than three and one half years.
I used Sandra's low number of just $3,000 every other week, not the $3,500 number. I also assumed just 8 weeks in that first two-month payment period and just 10 weeks in that last two and one half month period. Broken down, it looked like this:
Nov & Dec '13, $12,000
'14, $78,000
'15, $78,000
'16, $78,000
Jan-Mar 20, 2017, $15,000
That's $261,000, likely more. That's waaay more $ paid to a family member. That's a pretty big story, yes?
Hey, Tamara – Ease up on
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Hey, Tamara –
Ease up on Dan. He and bullhorn are practicing up for the adult spelling bee.
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Noticed, wasn't gonna comment ;-)
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Also, went to take a look at bullhorn's account of this story and it is he, not Sandra, who has left some of the story out.
While Duncan III has been in his dad's employ since November, 2013, he has been an affiliate broker of real estate only since August, 2016--according to the TN Department of Commerce and Insurance.
(From drop down menu of professions, select "real estate broker/affil/TS.")
Hey man. Cool your jets
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Hey man. Cool your jets
Is the Truth Squat
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tired of winning yet?
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(in reply to danandrews)
And Becky's right. At its most basic, a parent's job is to teach a child how to get by in life without a parent. Duncan Jr. looks to have failed miserably.
For me, the issue is that
For me, the issue is that JDIII will likely run again for public office again, perhaps for the family seat in DC. He crashed and burned in his first elected office as Knox Co. Trustee when caught giving his frat brother hires bonuses for which they were not entitled. Since then, his father has propped him up for years with a high paying job with his campaign. Has he ever had a job in the real world that he got on his own merits and not his name?
Grandfathered money
The presumption is that much of what Duncan is doing with his campaign money would be illegal under present law, however, one must remember that Duncan's campaign war chest is grandfathered under former laws to a different set of rules. He can launder this war chest to his personal use (and use of his family) in any number of ways. Someone has to talk for him to get caught as the numbers will all appear to be legit on paper.
I mean, 90,000 a year to a political criminal who defrauded taxpayers in his only elected capacity? Really? This is legit? Good luck proving it though.
Ahem:(link...)Humphrey's
Ahem:
(link...)
Humphrey's column is based on a comprehensive story by CWG in the Nashville Post. I'd link it here, but it's behind a paywall. But based on Humphrey's report, Cari did an extremely thorough job.
Story
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is no longer paywalled. Read and share.
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Thanks, Cari. Excellent
(in reply to cwg)
Thanks, Cari.
Excellent reporting.
(and holy crap!)
Thanks! And I know! The
(in reply to Bbeanster)
Thanks! And I know! The deeper I dug, the crazier it got — and no telling what an audit would turn up.
So, where are the invoices
So, where are the invoices from American Public Strategies for services rendered? And is it a sole proprietor? There should be some 1099s. Did JD3 report it and pay taxes?
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Yes, excellent and in-depth reporting on this by cwg.
(Today's local McPaper has a less detailed copycat story).
Third place finish.
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Third place finish.
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Very much agree.
Tyler literally told me this
(in reply to Tamara Shepherd)
Tyler literally told me this am he had started working on it and was told to "sit on it," which sounds pretty typical for KNS.
SrsLy? WTF? Actually, I was
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SrsLy? WTF?
Actually, I was surprised they ran it. Even with the disclaimers and excuses.
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That's pretty disturbing (but I believe you).
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Now that I think about it, KNS did the same thing to me back in 2003. That's when I was thrusting my residency-based lawsuit against that school board candidate in the faces of every media outlet in town, trying to get them to cover the story (replete with the public water bills and public electric bills proving that no one lived at the address the candidate was claiming).
KNS sat on it all the way through the election and ran the story, page A-1 above the fold, the day after the election results were in--and the defendant had won the seat.
KNS (and every other media outlet) claimed that they shouldn't or couldn't run the story prior to the election, lest they be accused of trying to impact its result.
The downside of their decision, though, is that the suit subsequently forced the winning candidate to resign before he was ever sworn in, after which time the district was without representation at all for one full year. Only then was a special election just for that district piggybacked on the next regularly-scheduled election.
Then and now, I don't share this concern of "impacting an election." Seems to me the voters should have all the information to be had, as it becomes available, and should be allowed to reach their own conclusions before they cast their votes.
JDII resume?
I was again researching, trying to find out what JDIII has done other than work for his father and as Knox Co Trustee.
I found this website about his current job.
I was hoping to find his old campaign website listing his qualifications for trustee (other than his last name) but it has been taken down. He does not appear to have a LinkedIn account.
He worked for Palmetto Group
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He worked for Palmetto Group in DC (no idea doing what) for two years and then worked for a bank for three years before getting elected a whole five years out of college:
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Via the U. S. Department of Justice, here is their Federal Prosecution of Election Offenses, Seventh Edition (May 2007)
Yes, it's ten years old, but the preface indicates that "this book replaces the Sixth Edition, which was published in 1995, and represents a complete re-write of that last book."
So the Sixth Edition stood for fully 12 years. So maybe this is the last word on the subject right now?
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And since it's Sandra's story in TN Today that's prompted this thread, I'd be remiss not to give her due credit for the part she played in this affair of 14 years ago that I recount above: The fake address this former candidate had offered was in a condominium development, so the homeowners association president there penned a letter of protest to assert that the condo in question was vacant. He sent the letter to both the KNS and to Sandra. Wanna guess who ran it and who didn't? You'd guess right.
Democratic opponent weighs
Democratic opponent weighs in:
Dr. [Joshua] Williams Statement regarding the allegations against Rep. Jimmy Duncan
Dr. Williams stated:
If true, these actions represent a violation of public trust and should be investigated by all relevant authorities including the Office of Congressional Ethics. The public deserves better than politicians who enrich their families at our expense.
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(in reply to R. Neal)
Dr. Williams wonders if an ethics violation has occurred?
I'm wondering if Dr. Williams is too kind.
At the link I shared in my above post, I'm reading starting at the bottom of page 194, this:
Still reading...
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(in reply to R. Neal)
Here's the top of page 198:
Hey, just posting the email.
(in reply to Tamara Shepherd)
Hey, just posting the email. Not clear if Dr. Williams knows much about the law, google, politics, campaigning, etc.
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(in reply to R. Neal)
Oh, glad he wrote it and that you shared it. If he knows anything about the law, it's likely more than any of us knows.
(I'm wondering if any of these transactions are criminal rather than just ethical violations primarily because the dollar amounts involved are just so very large? And continue over such a very long period?)
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Coupla clarifications:
In that first cut-and-paste above, I bolded the text "fictitious political organization" in possible reference to Duncan Jr's PAC, not to Duncan III's American Political Strategies, as Cari's story raised some questions about transactions in the PAC, too.
In that second cut-and-paste above, I didn't share the text of that bolded citation in U. S. Code because I haven't found it yet (so help me if you can).
Obviously, I'm over my head here--but any of us combing through this stuff could stumble across a nugget, don't you think?
It says
"for the purpose of raising funds" which I'm guessing is not the case here - APS shows up in no other FEC filings. The main issue seems to be the personal use clause as pertaining to paying family members. But, also, I am no expert in campaign law - only know what the people I talked to told me.
"for the purpose of raising funds"
(in reply to cwg)
Yeah, I later spotted that, too, and abandoned that particular section. I'm too pooped to try reading from any other sections tonight, lengthy as that document is...
What's worse, I found in some random Goggle searches that there actually have been a few legislators at the federal level to have funneled as much $$$ to family members as has Duncan. Barbara Boxer was one, I saw in a 2008 news story, but the practice crosses party lines.
Agreed that the issue seems to be personal use (and/or whether Duncan III was paid fair market value for his work and/or whether he did any work).
I spent a little time, too, poking around the TN Sec of State site, trying to determine if Duncan III might have registered his business under an acronym like "APS," just in case American Public Strategies is the DBA ("doing business as"). Really, it's more common to find that the longer spelling is the registered name and the acronym is the DBA. Anyway, I gave the reverse possibility a look, but no luck.
I also spent some time trying to determine whether Duncan III necessarily needed to register his business with the TN Sec of State at all. In some lines of work, a business owner need not and can instead register solely in some state more restrictive as to the public's ability to scrutinize the business' records. Delaware and more recently Nevada, for example, are especially renowned for restricting the public's access this way. Neither was I able to make that determination, though, so I quit the effort.
At this point, I'd just like to find some definitions employed by the FEC for "personal use" (and/or some guidelines for how a determination is made as to whether a given campaign staffer is paid a "fair market value" and/or what happens if he's paid for having performed no work at all).
Maybe tomorrow, yawn.
Oh I searched many shell corp
(in reply to Tamara Shepherd)
Oh I searched many shell corp states for American Public Strategies - nothing. Which does not mean it was not registered somewhere, but also ....
A sole proprieter doesn't
A sole proprieter doesn't have to register with the secretary of state. Just needs a county (and city if in the city) business license.
If it is a corporation, it must be registered with the state and the name of the company must indicate that by including inc., corp., llc, etc.
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(in reply to R. Neal)
However, a corporation registered in another state (like Delaware) may be able to avoid registering as a "foreign entity" in additional states in which it does business (like Tennessee), dependent on the nature of the business (like "consulting").
I was trying last night to grasp the particulars of this exemption in law (and in particular to determine whether Duncan III's business might have availed itself of any such loophole), but it was too late and I was too tired.
I kinda expect my efforts were all for naught, though, and that we'll learn this business is a largely or completely unlicensed one, formed as a sole proprietorship, for which its owner may or may not have paid any income tax (which determination will never be known to the general public).
Anyway, best of luck to Dr. Williams.
48-25-101. Authority to
(in reply to Tamara Shepherd)
48-25-101. Authority to transact business required.
(a) A foreign corporation, except a foreign insurance corporation subject to title 56, may not transact business in this state until it obtains a certificate of authority from the secretary of state.
48-14-101. Corporate name.
(a) A corporate name:
(1) Must contain the word "corporation," "incorporated," "company," or the abbreviation "corp.," "inc.," "co.," or words or abbreviations of like import in another language (provided they are written in roman characters or letters); provided, that, if such corporation is formed for the purpose of an insurance or banking business, the name of such corporation need not contain any of the aforementioned words or abbreviations. A corporation using the corporate designations "limited" or "ltd.," with such having been filed in the secretary of state's office prior to May 29, 1989, may continue to use that corporate designation until such time as it files an amendment which in any way changes its corporate name;
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(in reply to R. Neal)
But your text (copied above) includes just subsection (a) in that statute.
Subsection (b) in the statute lists activities that do not constitute "transacting business" and therefore do not require any certificate of authority.
And subsection (c) in the statute suggests exemptions even broader than those detailed in subsection (b). It says "the list of activities in subsection (b) is not exhaustive, and is applicable solely to determine whether a foreign corporation must procure a certificate of authority..."
I think it was on some SBA site that I read consulting is often an activity for which states exempt the business from qualifying as a "foreign entity" (and obtaining that certificate of authority), but I can't immediately dig up that link again this morning.
Anyway, there are exemptions from the qualification requirement in TN law--not that I ever confirmed Duncan III might have been able to avail himself of them.
And again, I rather expect we'll find out (if we find out anything) that Duncan III's enterprise was a sole proprietorship and that he was essentially flying by the seat of his pants.
Yes, I left out the rest of
(in reply to Tamara Shepherd)
Yes, I left out the rest of the citation for the sake of brevity and because I couldn't see which ones if any might apply to Duncan's company, if it is in fact a corporation. But here they are. Can you say which one would exempt him from registering with the state as a foreign corporation if he was registered in Delaware or someplace else as you speculated?
(b) The following activities, among others, do not constitute transacting business within the meaning of subsection (a):
(1) Maintaining, defending, or settling any proceeding, claim, or dispute;
(2) Holding meetings of the board of directors or shareholders or carrying on other activities concerning internal corporate affairs;
(3) Maintaining bank accounts;
(4) Maintaining offices or agencies for the transfer, exchange, and registration of the corporation's own securities or appointing and maintaining trustees or depositories with respect to those securities;
(5) Selling through independent contractors;
(6) Soliciting or obtaining orders, whether by mail or through employees or agents or otherwise, if the orders require acceptance outside this state before they become contracts;
(7) Creating or acquiring indebtedness, deeds of trusts, mortgages, and security interests in real or personal property;
(8) Securing or collecting debts or enforcing mortgages, deeds of trust, and security interests in property securing the debts;
(9) Owning, without more, real or personal property; provided, that for a reasonable time the management and rental of real property acquired in connection with enforcing a mortgage or deed of trust shall also not be considered transacting business if the owner is attempting to liquidate the owner's investment and if no office or other agency therefor, other than an independent agency, is maintained in this state;
(10) Conducting an isolated transaction that is completed within one (1) month and that is not one in the course of repeated transactions of a like nature; or
(11) Transacting business in interstate commerce.
(c) The list of activities in subsection (b) is not exhaustive, and is applicable solely to determine whether a foreign corporation must procure a certificate of authority and for no other purpose.
I have a foreign corporation registered in Tennessee. I also have a sole proprietorship. This stuff is pretty basic. You are making it way too complicated and speculative. I'm pretty sure he is not a corporation because the name of his company would have indicated such on his expired business license or they wouldn't have issued it.
I'm not sure if "consulting" is exempt from business license requirements, but his response to the KNS regarding the services he provides indicate they go way beyond "consulting" so he needs a business license and has to file state and local tax returns. But that's all he needs if he is a sole proprietor.
I guess he could be an employee of the Duncan Campaign Committee. In which case it's not clear why the expenditures are listed as going to "American Public Strategies" in Knoxville TN? Seems like it would be a payroll check, with withholdings, W2s and so forth.
I think it's pretty safe to conclude based on the reporting that American Public Strategies is not a corporation, domestic or foreign, their business license expired (reported by two sources), reporters were not able to find any other public record about them other than FEC reports showing them as recipients of Duncan campaign fund expenditures, and Duncan III may be operating under the radar.
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(in reply to R. Neal)
Nah, I couldn't see that any of those itemized exemptions from the certificate of authority applied to Duncan, either. I just felt compelled to point out that, if he were incorporated and if he did so in some other state, it was possible he was exempted from the certificate for some reason beyond those in that itemized list which the Code itself says is "not exhaustive."
Based on all we can tell right now, though, I've reached pretty much the same conclusion you have, namely that Duncan III is probably just trying to operate "under the the radar" (or flying "by the seat of his pants," as I characterized it).
And like I implied in citing that Barbara Boxer story from 2008, I'm also disheartened to think maybe some or all of this mode of operation has some precedent among the inner workings of other Congressional campaigns, even in dollar amounts as large as we see Duncan Jr. spreading around.
Anything could happen, but all this poking around has left me with the nagging concern that maybe nothing ever will--in which case I'll just have to write off as wasted the six or eight hours I lost trying to learn more about such matters. I'm disgusted...
P.S. here is a list of
(in reply to Tamara Shepherd)
P.S. here is a list of business classifiations in Tennessee that require a license and exemptions to the requirements. Duncan's company would be under "service businesses." None of the exemptions would apply.
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"for the purpose of raising funds" (again)
I'm sorry, Cari. My last response to you at 11:54 p.m. last night was garbled...
Yes, I found that too much of that document I linked (Federal Prosecution of Election Offenses) focused on how and how much a candidate raised in funds, especially whether s/he accepted contributions in excess of amounts allowable under law. Obviously, that instruction doesn't much illuminate whether/how Duncan III's American Public Strategies broke any federal laws.
But no, I did not mean to concede that instruction in that document might not be pertinent at all. As I had tried to clarify in my post at 9:28 p.m., some of the instruction may be applicable not to Duncan III's business, but to this Duncan PAC. Based on details in your story, the PAC, too, looks to have potentially violated law?
(I'm off to do yard work. Will check in later.)
The more I read about this
The more I read about this the more it seems someone should be investigating the business/personal tax aspects of these payments. Something's not right.
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(in reply to R. Neal)
Agreed that the business/personal tax aspects could yet result in some penalty for Duncan III. Which his daddy would cover. Which still leaves me disgusted.
Sandra and Cari both did a great job, but Dan may be right that this story is "old news" (to people other than some of us), sigh.
Let me CLARIFY...THIS IS NOT OLD NEWS! CWG GAME CHANGER
(in reply to Tamara Shepherd)
Unlike "Thelma and Louis" she took a tip and she dug and dug and dug. She has single handily blown this race wide open. Remember Burchett cannot use this against Duncan. IN FACT SANDRA CLARK MIGHT HAVE TAKEN BURCHETT OUT AS THE FRONT RUNNER.
We are all hearing about Matlock possibly running for the spot. Look, if you have two politicians both with nepotism and campaign finance issues. Burchett with the campaign finance fiasco from the past and more recently with the hiring of a family member. See Brian Hornback's blog here brian's blog
Enter a business man (MATLOCK OR ANYONE ELSE) and just either divide and conquer or pounce.
Plus, now everyone is digging. I mean T&L (Thelma and Louis) CWG and KNS will be pulling open record requests, and digging on both of these possible candidates.
So was what T&L posted old news...YES!
However, what CWG has done is what all great journalists aim for. A journalist is suppose to ask the tough questions after spending time that the normal working public cannot. Digging, researching, fact checking, and at the end, draw attention to an issue and have that subject become in the "spotlight."
But Tam, let me repeat, to say that this is old news. No that would be a slap to the face of CWG. This is a story that looked deeper and has created a stronger case for real investigative journalism.
Something this community no longer has.
Yes Tam, CWG, from Nashville, has rung the CLARION BELL loud and clear! Highlighting the need for great journalism and what actually happens when someone writes a deep 5,000+ article.
One can only hope that this is the beginning of exploration. Let's hope with what little resources our tv stations have, that they will create investigative units.
Let me also say as a former journalist, CWG, has always been a dedicated, passionate, do the right thing, untouchable reporter.
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(in reply to danandrews)
I sure hope you're right, Dan, that this story can somehow impact the race to Duncan's detriment, but I cited above the two reasons I'm concerned it might not.
First, I was amazed to learn in my online searches that some of these Congressional officeholders to have doled out as much to family have somehow weathered the storm and stayed in office. Barbara Boxer wasn't the only one, either.
Second, I have that personal experience with a residency lawsuit against a candidate some years back and I know first-hand the reluctance of our local media (except the late Shopper) to touch stories like that after candidates have declared, but before the election.
The Shopper isn't the Shopper anymore, the Mercury is closing up in about a week, and I'm not sure Steve Hunley will have the appetite for this one in the Focus.
What local media outlet(s), exactly, do you see continually hammering on this, and all the way up through election day?
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(in reply to danandrews)
BTW, Dan, I disagree that Burchett can't use this story due to his own campaign finance woes previously.
The public cleared Burchett of wrong-doing (even before the state election commission did) due to his then-wife's own crazed public behavior, trying as she did to pin those campaign finance transgressions on him. I mean really, what kind of wife trolls the website of the local newspaper, trying in its comment threads to have her husband imprisoned and even going so far as to pester complete strangers with private messages to that effect via the site (I got one, and turned it over to Jack Lail)?! All she accomplished was to redirect the public's attention to her own moral and ethical make-up, if not her very sanity.
THEN Burchett divorced her and succeeded in definitively and permanently severing in the minds of the public her modus operandi from his own.
THEN it wasn't anytime before she very nearly landed her sorry butt in prison again, over entirely different transgressions more hostile and more shocking than even her earlier ones.
So personally, I think Burchett's good to go. If he doesn't care to engage in the negative advertising that would comprise hammering Duncan on this, he can form a PAC and let them do the heavy lifting.
And even if there are a few voters out there who ultimately concluded Burchett was in the wrong those several years ago, voters have a short little span of attention and Duncan's transgressions have occurred more recently than any for which Burchett may have been at all culpable.
Nepotism is Nepotism
(in reply to Tamara Shepherd)
You are forgetting Burchett spent a career being the outsider and crusading against nepotism only to hire his stepson...As far as the campaign finance...also remember this...Burchett has a long and notorious record on Campaign finance that dates back way before Allison.
(link...)
So again, so many different angles to hit him on. If anything this really weakens his campaign.
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(in reply to danandrews)
Thanks for the link as I didn't know about this bill Burchett advanced to establish a 10 day grace period in which candidates could amend their disclosures on the state having detected an unreported contribution.
But is this bill the sum total of the "long and notorious record on campaign finance" to which you refer?
If so, I'm not overly concerned for it, I guess because in recent years I've had some personal experience with the administrative frustrations a candidate can endure in the course of a busy campaign reliant on non-professional volunteers and often communicating with them only by phone, rather than in person.
That is, my own first filing was a day late (because my novice treasurer, a lifelong friend with whom I'd actually debated when this first filing was due, had insisted it wasn't yet due and I had so little time to double-check him) and the second of my filings, maybe more, incorrectly applied the rule for reporting aggregate contributions from a single donor (which was a second instance in which I knew the rule but my treasurer and dear friend did not; we didn't accept contributions in excess of amounts allowed, we just reported them incorrectly, you understand).
Fortunately for me and for voters both, my day-late filing was promptly posted online for voters' review and my erroneous filing(s?) as to those aggregate contributions from a single donor were never really held up by the election commission for the public's possible ridicule (nor was I asked to make any correction), presumably because, screwy reporting aside, the EC was able to confirm that I hadn't actually accepted $$$ I shouldn't have.
In short, I'm satisfied that our local and state election commissions work hard to make allowances for the honest mistakes of amateurs, even as they consistently apply the laws requiring full disclosure. They promptly share online and with media every last shred of information with the voting public, too. I don't have any problem with Burchett's having proposed this grace period, then, nor do I think it invited non-disclosure on the part of candidates, as it would not in any way have excepted them from a responsibility to tell all.
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(in reply to danandrews)
I think back with a chuckle about a conversation Randy and I had here on the subject of Allison Burchett's allegations against her husband, this before I had any personal experience with campaign disclosure reporting...
I suggested to Randy then that maybe certain questionable transactions part of Burchett's campaign disclosure had been "posted to a suspense account" within the campaign's general ledger.
Pfft. In these lower dollar local campaigns--particularly among first time candidates--there's no chart of accounts or general ledger, with or without any "suspense account," that come into play in the course of tracking campaign income and expense. There likely isn't even any reconciliation of a bank statement (that could alert a campaign's treasurer to the existence of an unreported contribution). It's aaall "seat of your pants" recordkeeping, supported by culling notes made in the margins of bank deposit slips or memos hastily jotted on checks disbursed. High margin for (honest, high speed) error, then.
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(in reply to danandrews)
I had to ask around about this stepson you say Burchett "hired." My information is that Burchett did not in any way "hire" the young man, Burchett wasn't even consulted about the hire, and in fact the young man in question applied for his position online with no input from Burchett.
Nor does Knox County allow any employee, including its mayor, to supervise a relative also working for the county. From Knox County's Employee Handbook:
Finally, I'm informed that the young man is a college student (at night) who was hired only as a common laborer. His shovel-toting responsibility pays him around $12 per hour, which is less than the rate my progressive peeps hope to see established as a reasonable Federal minimum wage.
By virtue of the application process, the hiring process, the line of supervision and reporting, and the young man's position and pay rate, I personally don't perceive any scandal here and I don't think others will, either.
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(in reply to danandrews)
Here's your "scandal," Dan: The young man's pay rate qualifies him for Section 8 subsidized housing in Knox County.
It's a Family Tradition
Sounds like the Duncan Family MISTrust, to me.
These payments may very well past muster legally, but my sniff test smells something very rotten. The $750 a month for bookkeeping services paid to Jimmy's niece who's a trained dancer. REALLY, really, come on Jimmy, ya couldn't find somebody w/ a bit of a business background in the family willing to take a paultry $750 a month.
I think back to when the Duncan school of law at LMU was in need of financial support, and Jimmy stated that he can't really help them because he's not a rich man. REALLY, really. Guess the best he could do was watch his wife get a job at LMU to do fundraising.
When he's done running for office maybe he could use the leftover campaign funds towards a more publicly philanthropical purpose than propping up his teat sucking family members. I'd like to think he'd give all the leftover funds to Remote Area Medical. Come on Jimmy, I double dare ya to do that.
Here Tam
(link...)
Here are the 850 bills submitted by Burchett as a State Senator...have fun...
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(in reply to danandrews)
C'mon, Dan. You're the one who cited a "long and notorious record on campaign finance," then offered just this one bill he co-sponsored as proof of it (which bill seemed reasonable enough to me, given that it didn't absolve candidates of their any responsibilities to disclose). You didn't cite any past transgressions as to his disclosures, either.
I asked you perfectly cordially if there was anything else to establish this "long and notorious record" (because I sincerely don't know) and I assure you perfectly cordially that if possibly there is, I'll want to read and consider it.
I think my posts on this thread outline pretty clearly how my initial surprise and outrage at Duncan led to my sincere effort to understand how an issue like this might be treated under law and ultimately led to my concern and disgust that maybe it's all okey-dokey and that, even if it weren't, nobody would be reporting on it any further, anyway.
I can't tell where the heck you're coming from, though. Except for your single comment here to laud Cari for blowing this thing wide open (which she certainly did), your every other comment here seems a staunch defense of Duncan and an overt attempt to disparage Burchett. What gives???
Burchett
Say what you will about his policy and priorities, but his character is above reproach. He is an anomaly of our political system in that he is a man of principle in a world of scoundrels.
OK Tamara: Please do your homework
At first, I was going to do all the hard work to shut you down. Instead, I will copy something verbatim and source it.
"Recent reports of inaccuracies occurred in 2006 when Tim failed to report contributions and was discovered by the state
election commission. Then in 2007, while in the State Senate, Tim actually sponsored a bill so the election commission
couldn’t fine candidates when they failed to report contributions. Then in 2008 he was fined for failing to report
correctly"
Source:
(link...)
So Tamara, what part of "notorious" do you not understand? One time mistake. OK. Two small mistakes, it happens. Multiple mistakes, a huge investigation, and an attempt to weaken the laws...come on!
and one last thing...
I do not want to turn this into a bash one candidate or anything like that. All I wish to point out is that CWG has done great work and yes, the impact of her story can have great implications
Right. So, who do you like?
(in reply to danandrews)
Right. So, who do you like? Or who did Brian Hornbeck tell you to like?
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(in reply to danandrews)
Dan, that two-page letter of allegations you linked from Burchett's ex-wife to media, penned in the heat of their high profile divorce, isn't much of an authoritative source.
My recollection was that both she and her letter were subsequently discredited by just about everybody.
Meanwhile, I still think you mischaracterize (and Allison Burchett mischaracterized) the nature of the bill Burchett proposed. He didn't ask that candidates be allowed to cease disclosing things, nor did he ask that the state EC cease levying fines for non-disclosure.
What he asked was that, should the state EC advise a candidate of an error on his disclosure, the agency afford the candidate a ten day grace period in which to make the correction before levying its fine.
Well, I'm not very adept at navigating the state election commission's site (tried it before), so I guess I'll try to dig up some old media coverage as to these allegations Allison Burchett made concerning prior year fines Tim incurred from the state EC. Eleven years was too long ago and I can't recall the details...
well randy
when you promise to get the courage and stop deleting posts then ask that question
Why all the personal attacks,
(in reply to danandrews)
Why all the personal attacks, Dan? Not like you.
Hold on, you throw the "Hornback Attack"
If you haven't noticed, I only attack when I am attacked. (See above with Hornback remark by you.)
As for why I have become kind of jaded...Basically, soon everything will make sense.
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That sounds eerily like Donald Trump giving a press conference.
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Back on topic, I'm seeing on FB this morning that this story has been picked up for national publication by The Daily Beast.
Perhaps we won't need to rely on just a couple of compromised local media outlets to investigate, after all. Very good, then.
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See also stories in the Washington Post, New York Times, and Chicago Tribune, all 3 and 4 days ago. I hadn't realized.
I find the NYT headline to be the most eye-catching, Tennessee Congressman Defends Paying Salary to Felon Son.
(Sandra, I notice the AP is crediting KnoxTNToday with breaking the story--and offering a link.)
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And from the FEC's website, here is instruction on how to file a complaint (on which basis the FEC would then decide whether or not to open an investigation).