Via Brittney, Nathan Moore asks:
So, I return to my query … why does one little human being require so much space? I have several friends with one toddler who have purchased the minivan/SUV. Is it a safety issue … more structure between a child and a crash impact? Are they anticipating the need to fully stock a bake sale every weekend? Are they always going to be in charge of driving the entire soccer team to away games? Do their kids just have that much crap? Or, is this an important stamp of motherhood that I have overlooked? I like my little stickshift Civic and Catherine’s carseat fits just fine in the back.
We didn't change cars after the first kid. We did OK with a Honda Civic and a Mercury Sable. Putting Katie in the car seat in the back seat of a two door Civic was somewhat less than fun, though. One part of the increasing popularity of SUVs and mini-vans is undoubtedly due to the increasing requirements to use car seats and booster seats, and the advice to put kids in the back seat for maximum safety. Tennessee, for instance, requires booster seats for children as old as eight and up to a height of 4'9".
Then my mom (who can no longer drive) moved in with us. Then we had a second child. We knew something had to give.
We shopped mini-vans before Natalie was born. On the way home from the hospital with Natalie in the back seat we drove through the Honda dealership to stare at Odysseys. We signed the papers two weeks later.
It's not just the three adults and two kids in car seats, which totally fill the passenger space of anything with two rows of seats. There's the double stroller and diaper bag hogging the trunk space. Where do you put all the groceries and the cases of diapers you need to bring home from the store? And if we need to take the dog with us, or the cat in the cat carrier, we're sunk with only two rows of seats.
With kids or even one kid you suddenly need to bring home furniture, cribs, walkers, and all the rest. And our mini-van at least has excellent crash test results.
So, yeah, there are good reasons to buy a mini-van or SUV with three rows of seats once you have kids. You can get by without one with one kid, though if it's time to replace a car and you're planning on having more kids, now's a good time to do it. Once you have two or three kids that third row of seats becomes less and less optional. Once your kid is old enough to have friends who will be in the car you've got another reason for the extra row of seats.
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You know, I drive a -dr
You know, I drive a 4-dr Civic hybrid. It's fine for me and the spouse, and the occasional couple in the back. It would be fine, I think for one, maybe two children. But it would definitely be too small for a large family.
I understand why folks with families need larger cars. What really galls me is all the folks who are obviously sans kids driving around in colassal SUVs and even Hummers (I had to park next to a Hummer the other day. I was afraid I would come back and find the driver had crushed my car w/o even noticing).
And yes, they have the right to do it. But I have the right to think they're wasting resources and polluting the air way more than they need to.
Buckin' the trend
Les, maybe you'll be heartened to hear from one family with kids that's buckin' this roadhog trend. I shopped for *design* and landed the perfect small car for our family of four.
My little Dodge Stratus bore a low sticker price, gets pretty good mileage, and is inexpensive to insure and maintain. Better yet, it has four doors for easy loading into the back seat, as well as a rear seat that folds down for access into the trunk.
It's funny, really--when I pull up to those loaders at Lowe's lawn and garden department and hand them my reciept, they shake their heads and say "Lady,..." But I just shush 'em and say "Look, guys--I know my cargo capacity. Just let me supervise this pack!" They're invariably amazed at what my little "truck" can haul!
As for hauling around a carload of kids, I don't do it too often. We've pretty much opted out of the frantic 5-night-a-week extracurricular schedule so many families seem to have imposed on their kids in recent years. That's a lifestyle detrimental to our goal of raising young scholars (which we're doing) and we value our family time more.
Last summer, the four of us took a week-long camping trip in North Carolina. The addition of a $20 softside top carrier enabled us to haul *two* good-sized coolers, bags, packs, and so forth without sacrificing knee room in the back seat. Bada bing.
It's all about choices...
Just stopped bucking the trend
Getting by with smaller 4 door cars with 2 kids can be done, we did it until our kids were almost 3 and 5, but we just got a used Odyssey and are now not regretting our next road trip in the 4 door and actually looking forward to not trying to pack ungodly amounts of stuff into a standard trunk.
To each his own, but the peace of mind and ease (not to mention the fact we can now actually carry a 3rd or 4th adult along with our 2 kids somewhere and not take 2 cars, doesn't that save precious natural resources if it's something done enough?) have our family breathing a big sigh of relief as of late.
When I was a kid I was out of a car seat and riding in the front seat at 3. Not even close to being that way now, this is why Americans in general are probably opting for the larger vehicles....they've been forced to compensate.
Tamara:
It can definitely be done, but the Stratus is a good-sized car, and its fuel economy isn't much better than our Honda Odyssey. The Odyssey does 28 hwy. and 20 city vs 28 hwy. and 24 city for the four cylinder stratus, and almost the same for the V6.
The Odyssey is also an ultra low-emissions vehicle, which I don't believe the Stratus is. I guess what I'm saying is that cars aren't automatically better for the environment than a mini-van or SUV.
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Downside of having twins is
Downside of having twins is that, once they went from the carriers to the actual carseats our Volvo wagon became, for all practical purposes, a two-seater (someone could sit in the middle seat in back, if the dove over the console between the front seats...). So we opted for a minivan.
A lateral move, as far as the environment is concerned. Both Average 21 MPG. The Sienna actually gets better city mileage and, apparently produces less greenhouse gas, according to this site:
(link...)
A 2005 Stratus, by comparison, does a little better, 25 MPG average and 7.4 tons greenhouse gas annually compare to 8.7 for the Sienna and 8.8 for the Volvo.
7.4 is about on par with many smaller crossover SUVs, btw (7.6 for the 2wd Highlander, for instance)
Most traditional truck-based SUVs, by comparison, are in the 11-13 ton range.
A marginal improvement
Yeah, I bought the Stratus without first checking into what kind of mileage it would give us. I was disappointed to learn that its compact looks were a bit deceiving and it wouldn't be a marked improvement over the car I'd driven previously. Still, it was an improvement over the bigger Buick Regal I'd driven daily before...
(Looks like the belligerent Justin and I were *both* unaware of your point that cars aren't automatically better for the environment than minivans and SUVs. Anyway, point taken on my part.)
So, yeah, there are good
I have a new 4Runner and no kids...and I shop/eat lunch at Turkey Creek every other day or so...I litter, eat endangered animals, scoff at global warming, and tell the poor to just eat cake (or ketchup soup)...gotta love Turkey Creek and SUV blog posts...
SUV vs. Mini Mouse Cars
I drove an Infinity Sedan. Last year I had a terrible accident. My trunk was pushed into the back seat of my car. Thank God I had just dropped the kids off at school and the car seats were empty. If I had been in a Mini Mouse car two children would be seriously injured or dead right now. I'm all about big and safe and now drive a Denali. I also love Turkey Creek. I don't have to worry about drive-by shootings, car jacking and everything I could need or want is located in the same area.
I just remembered the first
I just remembered the first couple I knew who bought a mini-van in the '80s. They had taken their two sons (4 and 7 or so) to Florida for a vacation in their station wagon, and the boys fought with and picked on each other the whole way. They decided then to buy a mini-van with three rows of seats before ever attempting another vacation in a car.
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Safety first
Thank god there is nothing I need or want in Turkey Creek. Does the Denali protect you from drive-by shootings and carjackings there? I don't know if I would want to take the chance in my aged sub-compact.
You know, I used to not care
You know, I used to not care one way or the other what anyone drove. But after reading the posts by Justin and shortstuff, I will from now on look down my nose at SUV drivers, especially those who clutter up Turkey Creek.
Plus we all know SUV piloters are the worst drivers on the roads, by far!