Mon
Jul 6 2009
09:22 am

Today's Maryville Daily Times has a big front page feature about some home town boys making the big time on the metal band tour circuit. Their specialty is "death metal."

I'm wondering if the editors and publishers at the Maryville Daily Times are familiar with the genre, and particularly some of the boys' lyrics (warning: explicit, extreme, nauseating).

This ain't your daddy's Black Sabbath and these kids today can listen to whatever they want*. But this just struck me as amusingly out of place for the usual Maryville Daily Times "news" coverage. If word of this were to get out there'd be an outbreak of fundamentalist apoplexy among their target demographic.

(*Fortunately for their parents, you can't really make out what they're saying among the massive wall of distortion.)

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Tamara Shepherd's picture

Good God

I have to think that they are NOT familiar with the genre (nor was I).

That was the most vile excuse for a "lyric" I have ever, ever read. These guys must be to music what "snuff movies" are to film.

SnM's picture

melodic death metal?

I'm always amused by the number of sub-genres in metal music.

A list.

sugarfatpie's picture

Death metal is about finding

Death metal is about finding a space of originality and community by creating and appreciating something that most people, especially parents, find shocking and disgusting. These lyrics are a part of that.

I'm no fan, but in college I lived with some folks who were way in to it.

Some were pretty disturbed, some just wanted a taste of rebellion. Many went on to become doctors and lawyers and computer programmers. One overdosed on heroin and died. One got kicked out of school for stealing.

I think its a reaction to the social and material anesthesia that some of us have slipped into...living in subdivisions where no one really knows each other and where the problems of the world are kept very far away, where the chasm between parents and kids has grown so wide that neither want's to relate to the other, but both resent each other for the coldness in their lives.

-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)

"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin

SnM's picture

"I think its a reaction to

"I think its a reaction to the social and material anesthesia that some of us have slipped into...living in subdivisions where no one really knows each other and where the problems of the world are kept very far away, where the chasm between parents and kids has grown so wide that neither want's to relate to the other, but both resent each other for the coldness in their lives."

Yeah, but didn't Carole King and the Monkees already deal with that in "Pleasant Valley Sunday"? ;-)

sugarfatpie's picture

Yeah, but didn't Carole King

Yeah, but didn't Carole King and the Monkees already deal with that in "Pleasant Valley Sunday"

Sure, but what do you listen to when your parents listened to that? Gotta find something to shock them with.

-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)

"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin

Shannon's picture

I listened to that when my

I listened to that when my parents listened to it. I thought I was being "subversive" by bringing back the 60's.

I don't care what these guys are rebelling against. Unless I hear a really good argument from them otherwise, their lyrics are glorifying rape and murder. It's repulsive. There are lots of ways to rage against suburban life without reveling in another's pain.

mte's picture

This is a silly question.

This is a silly question. Death metal's appeal is pretty much the same as early rock 'n' roll, punk, some avant-garde jazz, and all sorts of other underground musical subcultures. The fact that it's loud, aggressive, relatively obscure, and technically difficult—the precise reasons that a lot of people don't like it—is a large part of the reason that a lot of people do like it. That said, though, the reasons people listen to death metal are no more or less sociological than why anybody listens to anything—loud, amplified guitars played really fast can be fun.

For me, its appeal is largely formal—how do you work inside such a rigidly defined format and still make it interesting? What do you do to make it more extreme—louder, faster, heavier? Can you make it catchy and still be considered death metal? But it also has a visceral impact.

(The linked lyric is pretty gross. I like Whitechapel, but the lyrics from the first album are problematic. I'm glad they expanded the scope a bit on the second disc.)

sugarfatpie's picture

Death metal's appeal is

Death metal's appeal is pretty much the same as early rock 'n' roll, punk, some avant-garde jazz, and all sorts of other underground musical subcultures.

pretty much, but I think we should factor in that "underground subcultures" are now rebelling against parents who rebelled, with genres now egged on by a music industry that profits from rebellion. So there's a constant upping the ante, giving us shock rock of all kinds.

Because of all this, one could argue that its now more rebellious to listen to Barry Manilow or bluegrass than it is to listen to Whitechapel.

-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)

"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin

Mello's picture

I thought it had nothing to

I thought it had nothing to do with music and everything to do with whose kids these are.

Steve Wildsmith's picture

LOL, as the writer, I can

LOL, as the writer, I can tell you this story had nothing to do with "whose kids these are." One of the parents called and told me about the tour bus. I pitched the story to the editors using the same points of logic that MTE did; in my opinion, the fact that three of the kids are from Blount County makes it even more of a "local boys do good" type of story. Although conspiracy theories will abound, I'm sure, I have no idea of any sort of "status" the parents might hold in the community or why that "status" might qualify this as something other than what it is - some local kids who have done alright by themselves and their families.

sugarfatpie's picture

I think you are

I think you are misunderstanding what is being talked about regarding the parent child relationship and this music.
I'm not talking about parental status within the community, but rather the age old story of kids rebelling against parents, with the somewhat new (past 70 years or so) wrinkle of a music industry that accelerates and intensifies the process because it has figured out ways of making money from it.
That's how I think we ended up with Death Metal.
Throw in a cultural shift towards video game violence and porn and you get Whitechapel.
-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)

"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin

deathmetal666's picture

you death metal haters

you death metal haters suck....the rocker life is REBELLION...think about it...if you listened to the police every time you did something they dont like...you would get no where in the rocker world...

talidapali's picture

Dude...

note the dates on the first posts in this convo... and nobody around here hates death metal...some just don't understand it. Those of us who do like it have tried explaining it. Maybe you can help others understand and cultivate an appreciation of it?

sugarfatpie's picture

Hate is a strong word. I do

Hate is a strong word.
I do think its boring, and kind of silly, but spend little effort swaying others.

And there's a million other reasons I would get no where in the "rocker" world.

Amazing how this thread keeps getting picked up again and again.

KeeponRockin'inthefreeworld's picture

Mello writes: "I thought it

Mello writes: "I thought it had nothing to do with music and everything to do with whose kids these are."

To which you reply; ",...the fact that three of the kids are from Blount County makes it even more of a "local boys do good" type of story."

Are you trying to refute Mello's argument or make it? If it were about music the story would have included more about the genre and the band's lyrics. Me thinks you see black helicopters where there are none.

Your use of "status" in quotes is also puzzling. Who are you quoting?

Steve Wildsmith's picture

It's possible Mello and I

It's possible Mello and I actually agree and that I misunderstood his comment. I interpreted it to mean that the parents somehow influenced the coverage of this story, hence the use of "status" ... not a big leap, given that most of the time on these boards (more so on Blount Talk), most posters rail against the Times as if various county officials pull imaginary puppet strings and dictate what does and does not get written.

If, on the other hand, he meant that it was a story based on the fact that three of the guys are sons of Blount County residents ... absolutely. It's a success story, not an analysis piece of lyrics or genre.

GWAR vs WASP's picture

Long arm of reality

Wildsmith says: "It's possible Mello and I actually agree and that I misunderstood his comment."

Yes, it's possible you see conspiracies where there are only statements or questions.

Wildsmith says "...most posters rail against the Times as if various county officials pull imaginary puppet strings and dictate what does and does not get written. "

While I can think of several instances where the long arm of Court St reached Harper, I'll just concentrate on one that was much ballyhooed.

When the mayors had their come to Jesus meeting with your executive staff over Ruby Tuesday, Cunningham came away with "hope that things will change down the road." according to this piece (link...) by Wilson at the KNS. Besides firing award winning reporters, how have things changed? Any more investigative stories on the status of RT? Didn't RT just change their menu away from solely burgers to a more complete menu, like the people in the DT suggested? Any articles on the menu change?

And according to their (link...) letter, the mayors wanted the paper to be more like the FOX news motto; "Fair and Balanced". Was it not before this letter was written? How is it now? More "fair and balanced" like people who have no influence over your paper wanted it to be?

And for clarity, in a town full of lawyers like Maryville, do you not find it odd your paper and the county mayor share the same legal counsel? Just questions, not conspiracies.

EricLykins's picture

Because...

Sin's a Good Man's Brother - lyrics "It's a Satanic drug thing, you wouldn't understand." Youtube Monster Magnet cover of 1970 Grand Funk song.

Andy Axel's picture

You don't even have to get

You don't even have to get "dysphagia" to rhyme.

Metal is a bit clownish to me, especially when it comes to clinical descriptions of bodily processes. Instead of saying "swallow" they crack out the thesaurus. Might as well be using Acme(r) song writing dice, Death Metal edition.

Although as an aging aficionado of thrash, there's something to be said for the technique required to rip scales of 32nd notes at 200bpm.

To do thrash properly, though, you need to be Bad Brains. There is Bad Brains, and then there is everyone else. Period.

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mte's picture

By the way, I think the

By the way, I think the Daily Times can easily justify the coverage just by how big Whitechapel has become in the last couple of years. Would anybody bat an eye at Superdrag or the Tenderhooks getting a big feature in any local daily around here? Whitechapel's probably outsold Superdrag and the V-Roys put together; they get twice as many people at local shows as either of those bands ever did. In album sales and concert attendance, never mind something as ephemeral and hard to measure as national name recognition, Whitechapel's the single biggest local act right now, by far. They're one of the biggest bands to ever come out of Knoxville.

R. Neal's picture

The metal shredders are

The metal shredders are indeed proficient technicians, generally. So is Kenny G.

mte's picture

Kenny G is technically

Kenny G is technically competent. He displays an ability to play his instrument (and then he drowns it all in sop). The best DM players are proficient in the same way that the best jazz players are.

Being able to play well in any genre isn't all there is to performance—no need to rehash the lists of people who are considered great despite technical limitations. But let's not pretend like it's an obstacle to art.

Elrod's picture

Are the lyrics any more disturbing than Rapture Ready?

Really, Tim LaHaye's apocalyptic fantasies are far more horrifying to me than Whitechapel. Yet, I bet thousands of Blount Countians consume "Left Behind" and think nothing of it. "Just good stories. And, well, ya never know..."

sugarfatpie's picture

Then of course there's

Then of course there's "Rocky Top" which is about drinking, f-ing, and killing.

-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)

"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin

Nobody's picture

metal

Hehe. Some of us are getting old. Happens to the best of us. Death metal's appeal is more rage and pain release than anything else. Once you're past a certain point in your life it can seem silly or disgusting but when you're young and think you're misunderstood or if you've had terrible things happen to you that you can't control, it's a release. You can't scream in your room and not get committed but if you've got music playing or you're at a concert you can scream as loud as you want without anyone blinking.

Metal Hoses's picture

Ultimate Rebellion

There is not likely to be any parent that would approve of such lyrics - which makes death metal the ultimate for of music rebellion for teenagers.

talidapali's picture

I've gotta say...

I like Whitechapel. I've been a headbanger since I was 14. My mom got me my first Black Sabbath album that year. I don't see a problem with the music. People used to rag on Judas Priest and accused them of fomenting teen suicide and stuff...it was not true then and it's not true now.

This music is a healthier expression of rage than a physical assault on someone. If you can get your rage out by banging your head and leaving other people the hell alone then it's all to the good.

I guess how people use this music and how they are influenced by it has more to do with how you were raised and what kind of coping mechanisms you learned growing up. If you learned that violence was acceptable you will probably be violent. If you learned that you can deal with bad stuff by closing the door, turning up the music and screaming a while...

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ECTO's picture

I'm 45 and grew up listening

I'm 45 and grew up listening to what would be considered extreme music in the early 80's, so I can understand the appeal. You had some pretty brutal lyrics from bands like the Crucifucks and Fear,but both those were exceptions. Violent death themes were uncommon in Punk/Hardcore. however it seems like in Death Metal
these lyrical themes are a neccessary trait for almost all Death Metal.
I am the kind of person who gravitates to most things extreme, so I'm enjoying listening to bands like Devourment and Dying Fetus on Youtube. I'll read the lyrics online and often laugh. It seems like much of these bands are just competing to see how gross and shocking they can be in order to get recognition. The song titles like "Brutal Hacksaw Dismemberment" give you a good idea on the subject matter, and
the fact the the deep vocals are indeciferable make this music more palitable. I'll never buy a CD or go to a show, because I dont want to support such a subculture, but remain a bystander witnessing just another new form of youth rebelion.

sugarfatpie's picture

the fact that the deep vocals

the fact that the deep vocals are indeciferable make this music more palitable

This is sometimes called "cookie monster music" for that very reason.

This vid is a f-ing hilarious take on death metal.
(link...)

ECTO's picture

Thanks for the link , SFP ,

Thanks for the link , SFP , It would also be funny if somebody
replaced the cookies with human body parts , did a similar upload!

I'm kind of facinated by DM in that there does appear to be alot of conformancy involved. Many of the band names are rendered in some twisted vinelike logo that makes it as hard to read as the lyrics are to deciper. It represents the nature of evil itself, often subtle and vieled.

sugarfatpie's picture

Interesting point about

Interesting point about conformity.

It represents the nature of evil itself, often subtle and vieled.

I'd say it better represents the nature of youth to push the extremes, whatever they may be, so as to define a community of sorts.

satan's picture

because punk sucks

the appeal is that it is not a bunch of conformist left wing sheep singing about "anarchy" and "fighting the system" and all the bullshit p.c. crap that ruined punk and hardcore. plus death metal/grindcore is much faster and violent sounding

talidapali's picture

Wait a minute now...

There are plenty of conformist RIGHT wing sheep out there

singing about "anarchy" and "fighting the system" and all the bullshit p.c. crap that ruined punk and hardcore.

too. This is not a left/right kind of thing dude. Politics doesn't enter into it.

satan's picture

i understand what ya are

i understand what ya are sayin', but the question was what is the appeal of death metal? when death's first album came out i was 16 and part of the early new orleans death metal sceen but i soon found hardcore and dove head in leavin' death metal behind. bought into all that pc shit when i was young,now that i'm older i grow very tired of left wing facist tellin' me how i should behave and believe me punks are conformist hypocrites. death metal for the most part is free of all that bullshit.so that appeals to me plus i like brutal music.although i find it funny when death metal fans complain about arghoslent using the word nigger but they don't have a problem with songs about fuckin' dead corpses,beastiality,satan,rape,misogyny etc.

satan's picture

wow that's crazy. i didn't

wow that's crazy. i didn't read all the post till just now. i lived in blount county(green back)and i use to work for the daily times.

Erik Thorvaldsson's picture

A few points....

....first off, Whitechapel is Deathcore (and pretty generic, at that). Trust me, Death Metal is much, much better than them.

So the appeal of Death Metal? Insane drumming (especially if you get into Technical Death Metal), fairly heavy guitar and bass work (Doom Metal is where the real heaviness is, and guttural vocals that become essentially another instrument. So, as I mentioned before, Whitechapel is Deathcore. Seeing as it appears that most of you don't appear too familiar with the differences between subgenres, I'll explain a few things first. Deathcore is largely made to "shock" people and appear tough, which is one reason why the vast majority of the metal community looks down on it (plus, most of the bands sound pretty generic). If you do some research, you'll see quite a bit of people complaining about -core bands (Deathcore, Metalcore, etc) being featured at Wacken, one of the most revered metal concerts.

Now that we've determined that Deathcore and Death Metal are two different genres, I'll go into some lyrical differences, since you seem focused on that point. First off, both of them deal with death (as is obvious from the name). However, the way in which they do is different. You saw the Whitechapel lyric you posted, now let's look at the Death Metal band Jungle Rot lyrics (which, by and large, deal with corrupt war and politics)....
(link...)

Or some Fleshgod Apocalypse (which is a Technical Brutal Death Metal band)....
(link...)

Yes, I concede that there are "worse" lyrics in Death Metal than this (Cannibal Corpse was pretty gruesome back in the day), but on average Deathcore attempts to appear as "brutal" as possible, whereas Death Metal has much wider lyrical themes (from politics to religion and all sorts of stuff in between).

So the two points that I'm trying to make here are....
1) Deathcore bands like Whitechapel are not the same as Death Metal and should not be categorized as so.
2) Death Metal's appeal is the aggression and/or technical sound. No idea about Deathcore, though, it pretty much fails as a genre.

Oh, and on a side note, if you want to hear the appeal of Death Metal without vocals, check out Blotted Science. They're an instrumental Death Metal band. (you won't find something like that in Deathcore, for sure)

B. Paone's picture

Hey Randy!

What's your problem with metalheads? ;) (You're not going to get the joke, I bet.)

In answer to your question, most metal fans don't give half a damn about the lyrics. Honestly, if you listen to most of the lyrics they're either "shock jock" stupid or some lame attempt at making something resembling a political statement.

The music, on the other hand, is very powerful, very primal. It strikes a chord (no pun intended, really) with a lot of people, particularly bitter individuals who have had to struggle in their lives. (Or, in the cases of teenagers, are under the impression they've had to struggle.) If you ever get a chance, try giving "Canto 34" from Five Finger Death Punch a listen. It's absolutely lyric-less, so you'll be able to pay attention to the melody and arrangement without having to worry about hearing how Round 2 is "something you just don't want to do" and why.

Done well, most varieties of the metal genre can be deeply moving - much like the flow of the aptly-named "Four Seasons" by Vivaldi or the lyrical juxtapositions of early DMX.

As far as the lyrics go - well, they're just lyrics. Sorry they're so offensive to some, I guess, but words are just words. Personally, I've never understood why certain pseudo-intellectuals boo-hoo about shock lyrics, but then again I don't understand a lot of the stupid that humanity pulls on a daily basis anyway and said lack of understanding is decidedly a "low-priority" worry.

But damned if it isn't fun to blast some surprise Dethklok in their earshot. ;)

R. Neal's picture

I think some of y'all are

I think some of y'all are missing the entire point of the original, nearly one year old post.

It's that an ultra-conservative newspaper in an ultra-conservative community where there are more churches than restaurants and schools combined would feature this band just because they are local homegrown boys done good.

If the editors and publishers of the paper and most of their readers were aware of the lyrics they would be apoplectic.

talidapali's picture

Oh I got it...

and it's damn funny.

Some people just over-react to the title of a post without actually reading all the way through it before getting all hot and bothered on their keyboard...

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