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Aug 4 2012
07:46 pm
By: Greg Mackay

For what it's worth:
I think Romney will pick Senator Rob Portman of Ohio as his running mate.

Bbeanster's picture

That would probably help

That would probably help Romney in Ohio, which is pretty much a must-win state for him. Whether it's enough to tip it, I dunno.

Rachel's picture

Whoever it is will be boring

Whoever it is will be boring cause s/he can't have more charisma than Mitt.

Pam Strickland's picture

The LA Times has been running

The LA Times has been running a series of profiles on potential VP running mates. Interesting reading.

Somebody's picture

Much is made about VP picks,

Much is made about VP picks, but I don't think the effect on election outcomes is all that significant. Might make a difference by shifting numbers slightly in very close contests, but I don't think there's much evidence for anything beyond that. Ohio is still commonly listed as a "tossup" state, but polling has fairly consistently shown Obama with a lead there.

Romney's probably going to need more than a favorite son VP candidate to make up for his position that the auto industry should've been left to deal with a bankruptcy process without government intervention. That might play well to Romney's base, but for those whose livelihoods were in the lurch, they actually do remember the fact that the private credit market was seized up at the time Romney recommended that the industry be allowed to go bankrupt. They also remember that without the Obama administration making government capital available to make the auto industry restructuring possible, the entire industry would have collapsed in 2009. Put plainly, Romney was on record with a plan that would have cost a lot of Ohioans their jobs. I don't think a VP pick will do much to help make up for that.

R. Neal's picture

Much is made about VP picks,

Much is made about VP picks, but I don't think the effect on election outcomes is all that significant.

JFK won because Johnson helped him carry the South.

McCain didn't lose entirely because of Palin but she sure didn't help.

So yes, people don't generally vote for the #2 spot, but it can be a factor.

Local Citizen's picture

Ohio Voters Remembering Auto Industry

"Put plainly, Romney was on record with a plan that would have cost a lot of Ohioans their jobs. I don't think a VP pick will do much to help make up for that."

Don't bet on it! Voters are stupid.

Mike Cohen's picture

Local Citizen

I couldn't disagree more with the statement "voters are stupid."

I think generally people are smart and mostly vote in good people. You can hate them for voting in favor or liberal or conservative, depending on your point of view. But they are anything but stupid.

And, really, do you want to go on record as saying you're smart and get it but most of the voting public are morons?

I'm a big believer in voters. Wish more people would vote, though.

fischbobber's picture

Sorry Mike

You would be wrong. It's the classic Republican argument against Social Security transposed to the election booth.

I've never met anyone who bitches about social security that actually does better with their personal investments. There aren't many arguments after we crunch the numbers. Likewise with politics. With the exception of a few one issue voters (many of whom vote a hypothetical, hypocritical position), most people vote against their own self interest. Hence the definition "stupid".

People that don't have the sense to vote for the candidate that would best suit their needs should't be in charge of managing their own retirement. The rest of us couldn't afford the inevitable spike in homelessness.

Rachel's picture

I wouldn't say voters are

I wouldn't say voters are stupid. But I would say that many of them aren't nearly as well informed as they should be.

For example, a woman (who let everyone in the room know who she was voting for) in the doctor's office waiting room last week told me that if we'd "stop giving $$$ to countries who hate us" we could fix all our budget problems.

When I tried (very nicely) to explain the size of the foreign aid budget relative to the total budget, she brushed me off with a "that's your opinion."

Told it wasn't opinion, it was fact and she could look it up, she still insisted in was just my opinion.

At which point I gave up on a conversation I shouldn't have even engaged in and went back to my New Yorker.

(And this is only a snippet of the conversation. The entire account would make you cry.)

Local Citizen's picture

I have worked with people who

I have worked with people who came in the day after the election and brag:"I WON all my votes". What are they doing betting on a horse race? Talk with some voters and question them concerning the candidates and their position on the issues, not just one issue they are mainly concerned with, but several issues. I will rest my case that voters are stupid. I have worked the polls on election day. You would be surprised at the number of people who will say, after a candidate has conducted a very high profile campaign, that they have never heard of him. People only believes what they want to believe. When they say that their grand pappy would turn over in their grave if they voted for a different party, then you know they are stupid. I have dealt with people for over fifty years in my profession, and I am a very firm believer that people are stupid.

redmondkr's picture

These people continue to fare

These people continue to fare pretty well by banking on voter stupidity.

Had I not told my neighbor back in '08 that I would put him on my spam list and send them straight to the toilet, I'd have an inbox full of gigantic blue and red font forwards of this crap every day.

Now all I get are his forwards of kitten pictures. Lots of kitten pictures.

Mike Cohen's picture

Voters

Yes, there are people who are stupid who vote. People of every possible political viewpoint.

And, yes, we could all come up with stories.

But they are the exception, not the rule. The majority of those who vote (an embarrassingly small number) vote intelligently.

Kind of the basis of our country. And a very good thing.

Rachel's picture

I'm not arguing against

I'm not arguing against voting. I wish more people did it. I was raised by folks who went the voting place every time it was open, and taught me to do the same. If I don't vote, my conscience really bugs me.

And I don't agree with the statement that voters are "stupid." However, I stand by my statement that many are woefully uninformed.

Back to the OP: just can't get worked up over Romney's pending VP pick.

Billy Cleuster / Lonnie's picture

I think Romney will announce

I think Romney will announce a day or two after Olympics close. Probably top three picks 1. Pawlenty(sp) 2. Portman 3. Ryan in that order. I don't think Romney can win the argument in Ohio because of auto industry etc. polling is showing an Obama win there & Portman will not help. Also, Portman's serving in Bush Administration carries lots of baggage & is real downer . Ryan's masterpiece plan favoring the wealthy will put more focus on super wealthy Romney. I think Romney would not be overshadowed by Pawlenty & he is probably closer to him in political philosophy. So, my bet is the former governor of Minn. We shall see soon.

mld

Billy Cleuster / Lonnie's picture

Then again, I thought

Then again, I thought Hutchinson would go to Nashville, I had not figured in the big Dunn influence. So, I might be completely wrong. He might pick Condi Rice or Marco Rubio. Romney/Rubio ? That would be worse than McCain/Palin...well ...almost.

Bbeanster's picture

Matt Drudge has a weasely

Matt Drudge has a weasely post saying that a source said that Obama said that Romney's trying to get Petraeus to sign on.

Billy Cleuster / Lonnie's picture

Petraeus said he was not

Petraeus said he was not interested.

mld

Somebody's picture

If Patreus has any political

If Patreus has any political ambitions, he will not sign on to anyone else's ticket. His current reputation is like polished sterling, and tying his fortunes to any other candidate only has downsides for him. If said candidate loses, he's tainted with being on a losing national ticket. If said candidate wins, any future run on his own would be judged on that candidate's administration, rather than on Patreus' currently untarnished reputation. He has good reason to not be interested.

rikki's picture

something stupid

It's not voters who are stupid. It is politics. Voters are constrained by what is on the ballot, and most of what is on the ballot is stupid. That several hundred million people living in 50 states all choose from the same two parties is monstrously stupid, and it has created bland, lowest-common-denominator, patronizing politics.

Our broken political system favors one skill: ability to fundraise, which pretty much comes down to begging and bullshit. Our system places before us precisely the sort of people who know how to bloat budgets and hand out favors. We keep electing them because they are on the ballot, and they keep making us look stupid.

We pretend that our freedom and ideals always add up to greatness, but actual results vary. There are beautiful burgers being cooked all over this country in backyards and by small business owners who might amass a few million over a lifetime. If you really want to cash in, however, you need to sell shitty, frozen meat slabs on simulated bread.

Our Constitution and our voters want fresh, delicious government, but political parties have turned Nashville and Washington, D.C. into barely digestible gut bombs. Turn on Rush Limbaugh tomorrow afternoon to hear the excretions. Voters want a good meal, but the only thing on the menu is two flavors of stupid.

michael kaplan's picture

As Fidel wrote (in 2009,

As Fidel wrote (in 2009, referring to Obama's election), changing the president doesn't change the system.

Local Citizen's picture

Inmates are in charge

The major problem with politics and government is that the radicals from from spectrum have taken control of the party primaries. In order for a candidate to win he has to take a more extremist view than his opponents. What ever happen to the "big tent" of both parties? A candidate cannot discuss issues in detail with voters because the majority are not interested enough to listen. A candidate that mails a mailer with more than a few lines with the standard party talking points is wasting his money. It goes into the garbage.

Billy Cleuster / Lonnie's picture

Take a look at yesterday's

Take a look at yesterday's Republican primaries in Missouri and Texas. Tea Party extremist won. Tea Party U.S. Senate candidate will face Democrat Senator in general. Over a dozen Republican state senators branded as too moderate for the extremists were defeated. How can any reasonable person take these uncompromising nut cases seriously? There has to be a serious backlash in store some time in the future for these nuts. Many moderate-conservatives Republicans are sick of this garbage. I sure hope it is sooner than later.

Somebody's picture

We shall see.

Tea Party U.S. Senate candidate will face Democrat Senator in general. Over a dozen Republican state senators branded as too moderate for the extremists were defeated. How can any reasonable person take these uncompromising nut cases seriously? There has to be a serious backlash in store some time in the future for these nuts.

Under normal circumstances, the remedy to this is the general election. When an extremist candidate gets nominated in the primary, that candidate gets dismissed in the general election as the political center then comes to the polls and chooses the more centrist candidates. The party nominating the extremists then self-corrects in future election cycles because their candidates can't get into office.

The wild card this time is money. The Citizens United cork is out of the bottle. In many cases, vast sums of money will be spent to smear moderate candidates in efforts to shift the partisan balance of power in Congress. The question remains as to whether it will work. Sometimes expensive advertising campaigns are quite effective. Other times, they fall flat.

The optimist in me thinks maybe the money won't be as effective as the big spenders hope. President Obama has endured four years of big-money-sponsored fictionalizations, combined with rigid, partisan obstructionism that has served to hold back economic recovery. While a disheartening number of people actually believe some of those falsehoods, the fact remains that at present, Obama polls even with Romney nationally, and is ahead in the more important Electoral College count. You would think that with SuperPACs, Republican congressional leadership, and FoxNews all coordinating a sustained campaign with the stated objective of making Obama a one-term president, he wouldn't even have a chance at this point. Instead he still runs even or ahead.

We shall see.

Opinari's picture

Texas Primary

Take a look at yesterday's Republican primaries in Missouri and Texas. Tea Party extremist won. Tea Party U.S. Senate candidate will face Democrat Senator in general.

Since I reside in Texas, I can address that somewhat. Voters overwhelmingly chose Cruz over Dewhurst in the primary. It is true that Cruz was the anointed TEA Party choice, and Dewhurst is seen as too moderate in most of Texas, despite his tenure as Lt. Gov. What irked most voters here that I know was the tone of the campaign. Constantly, we were bombarded with "Lawyer Ted Cruz" ads. The primary platform of the Dewhurst campaign seemed to be the epithet of associating Cruz with being a barrister. It got old, so a great many people, and most that I know, pulled the lever for Cruz.

The above information is likely anecdotal. Perhaps the rest of the Lone Star State voted for Cruz because Sarah Palin told them to do so, but I don't know of anyone personally who picked Cruz because he was given the TEA Party imprimatur.

B Harmon's picture

538

Here is Nate Silver's take on the VP issue.

Bill Cleuster / Lonnie's picture

I understand that many

I understand that many Republican insiders are saying Senator Thune of S.D. is the man and the announcement will come Monday.

mld

Local Citizen's picture

Submitted by Billy Cleuster /

Submitted by Billy Cleuster / Lonnie (not verified) on Wed, 2012/08/08 - 9:37pm.

".... Over a dozen Republican state senators branded as too moderate for the extremists were defeated. How can any reasonable person take these uncompromising nut cases seriously? There has to be a serious backlash in store some time in the future for these nuts. Many moderate-conservatives Republicans are sick of this garbage. I sure hope it is sooner than later."

The moderate Republicans will not vote in the primaries. The far right nutcases will be there with 'bells' on to vote for the most extreme candidate on the ballot. Extremism has taken over both parties. The future looks bleak.

jmcnair's picture

No.

No. Extremism has taken over one party.

Local Citizen's picture

Bad Choice

Submitted by Bill Cleuster / Lonnie (not verified) on Thu, 2012/08/09 - 12:42pm.

"I understand that many Republican insiders are saying Senator Thune of S.D. is the man and the announcement will come Monday."

How can he help the national ticket. South Dakota is more Republican than Tennessee and a small state to boot. Thune is unknown except to the far right nutcases. In my opinion, he needs someone from a swing state that could help win, the larger the state the better. Of course, he has to appease the nutcases since they think he is not radical enough.

Bill Cleuster / Lonnie's picture

The Romney advisers know a

The Romney advisers know a favorite son is not going to carry a state for Romney. Also, Romney is not running on a platform and pushing issues, he is just the Anti-Obama. Playing to the white, blue collar, racists that could win it for him. He will pick someone like Thune who has conservative credentials, informed on the issues, and that does not embarress him like Palin did McCain. He wants it all about Barack Hussein Obama, not about him or a running mate. With the huge war chest that the corporations will give him to spend after his nomination, he is betting that the propaganda the money buys will keep him from actually having to present specific ideas. I disagree with you that he will pick someone in hopes of getting that person's home state electoral votes. It is more damage control, plus he does not want someone that overshadows him.

mld

Don Daugherty's picture

Stay tuned. Thune is the

Stay tuned. Thune is the guy.

Cleuster's picture

You must be one of the

You must be one of the Republican insiders. I still think Pawlenty, but I keep hearing whispers about Thune and a case can be made for his VP selection. Today's polls are good for Obama, 5 to 9 % lead. I can't help hearing the swift boat coming with all the money Romney will be able to spend after the Tampa convention. Americans voting for their own interests in two consecutive elections would be a miracle. I did not think Obama would win in 2008. I thought no way a black guy will win Virginia or N.C. or Indiana, but he did. For all our sake, even those ignorant white racists, and the immoral right extreme, lets hope he wins again.

mld

Rachel's picture

Thune makes no sense to me.

Thune makes no sense to me. But neither do a lot of things the Romney campaign says and does.

Local Citizen's picture

Paul Ryan?

Word is that Paul Ryan will be announced on the U.S.S. Wisconsin on Saturday as the VP pick.

Cleuster's picture

Not a good pick for Romney.

Not a good pick for Romney. It gives Obama plenty of ammunition, especially in Florida. If this info. is true, I feel like a celebration is in order cuz I think It is a stupid decision by the Romney team. A VP selection might not carry a state for Romney, but a wrong decision like Ryan could give Obama the edge. With Ryan, it appears that Romney strongly endorses the Ryan plan and portrays Romney's policies as Romneyhood! This would be a gift to the Obama campaign.

mld

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