Sun
Jul 29 2007
08:25 pm
By: rocketsquirrel
Yeah, I know everyone is obsessed with P-cards and other county commission BS, but I have another question.
Mr. Mackay, care to respond to this test of your Hart Intercivic machines? They've been hacked.
The researchers "were able to bypass physical and software security in every machine they tested,'' said Secretary of State Debra Bowen, who authorized the "top to bottom review" of every voting system certified by the state.
Will this make news in Knox County? Let's watch and see.
yes, these are the same machines that were "literally smoking" at the Downtown West precinct.
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It seems a little premature
It seems a little premature to declare a specific machine "hacked" since the testers had complete access to everything and will not report until tomorrow on how difficult it is to compromise a given make and model. The Hart machines have suffered far fewer incidents in real elections than the other brands, and I'm guessing they get the best grade of the machines that were tested.
It would be nice to have machines that earn an A+, but all these systems are built on top of a Windows OS, so they are constrained at about B- from the outset. Open-source, secure-OS systems do exist, but neither Greg Mackay nor any other election official in Tennessee had that option.
HAVA is a disgraceful piece of legislation. It could have mandated true voter security and verifiable, paper-traced results, but it just threw a lot of money around. That Democrats allowed such a dull bill to pass after having the Presidency stolen from them just proves how hapless they are. Katherine Harris' crimes would have been easier under HAVA.
complete access
Yes Rikki, they had complete access to the same information that would be given to former Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell. And we know how well THAT turned out. According to the article, all machines failed the hacker test.
Actually, I don't know the
Actually, I don't know the full story of the Ohio vote in 2004. Want to fill me in? I was too tired of being told Florida was really Nader's fault to give a shit about, you know, stuff that's illegal and undemocratic that might have happened in 2004. (Not to mention being profoundly disappointed that 50 million of my countrymen were ignorant enough to vote for Bush)
It does make a difference how the machines were compromised. Some of them allegedly have "Easter egg" features where you can access administrative areas by touching the corners of the screen in the correct order. There is a big difference between a compromise a voter could manage and one that requires insider access.
If I understood the article, ES&S machines weren't tested because they did not provide enough access, so there is an even more profound failure. Some Tennesseans voted on old ES&S machines in 2006 because the newer models the company was to provide were not ready.
It's comforting that these testers got access to the source code. I have not heard of that before, and I'm not sure Blackwell would have had that level of access in 2004.
RFK Jr
read RFK Jr's Rolling Stone article "Was the 2004 Election Stolen." (complete with web only citations). It's a pretty clear indictment of Blackwell.
Start with that.
From Page 3 of RFK's web article:
Concern
I am concerned about what I read in the New York Times about this. I agree with Rikki, let's wait and hear the whole story.
The point I noticed is that the "hackers" had unlimited access to the voting machines.
Leave the keys in the ignition, leave the garage door open, close your eyes.
Guess what: Someone could steal your car.
Better not buy a car.
poor metaphor
verified voting would equate to locking one's garage door, Greg. And that car belongs to the voters, not the government.
voting irregularities, Knox County election, 2006. Pages 13 and 14 of the PDF.
If using a Windows based
If using a Windows based system, you also open the door and hand the keys to hackers.
Having read up on the Ohio theft, it seems that if a Democrat owns the garage, they'll just insist there was never a car in there to begin with. Or that it was a Corvair.
(Note, however, that the bulk of the fraud in Ohio occurred by traditional methods -- unprocessed registration forms, purges, caging, long lines and delays, intimidation -- where the votes, however secure and verifiable, never get cast at all)
Interesting stuff,
Bowen
"The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open."
no chance
No Rikki, no chance Blackwell had access to Diebold's source code:
from the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Aug 28, 2003:
na, no chance that.
Lots of people saw the
Lots of people saw the Diebold source code. It was posted on blackboxvoting.org after Diebold left it sitting out on an open, unsecured public FTP server. It uses Microsoft Access as the database, which anyone with rudimentary Microsoft Office skills and access to the back end tabulating machine could alter ("hack") and leave no trace.
Avi Rubin at Johns Hopkins and a team of computer software and security experts studied the source code and found dozens of flaws. They concluded that "this voting system is unsuitable for use in a general election." Their report is here.
I'm not so much concerned about criminal insider fraud and hacking (although that is rightly a huge concern) as I am about system* failures that result in lost votes, such as almost occurred at the Downtown West early voting location in the last election, with no paper record that can be manually counted/recounted. (*"Systems" include the design, hardware, software, people, and procedures.)
Good documentary
I am concerned about what I read in the New York Times about this. I agree with Rikki, let's wait and hear the whole story.
Part of the whole story is found in a HBO documentary titled Hacking Democracy. (link...)
Before the next election, I hope this site along with others will use their polling options as a kind of exit poll. Since a paper trail seems possible for everything but a vote, last election I used my camera phone to take a picture of my voting machine screen for verification. If enough people followed this idea, when or if the proverbial caca does hit the fan, at least you could “prove” your vote.
Remember, since Lil George has stolen office, we have had two elections where the exit polling didn’t match the results.
I declared my protest
I declared my protest against these machines from the very beginning. Not because of the "operating system", because no paper trail was provided. Most any electronic device can be hacked, if someone really feels the need.
We need need paper ballots with optical scanning voting machines or some similar voting method with a good paper trail. We need to get the mechanisms correct and then we only have left the "traditional" methods for voter disenfranchisement.