Tue
Feb 27 2007
08:00 am

Bubbas's post on the subject

I should let this pass but, here goes. Do Burchett and The Moron really believe that I, a tax paying, fully employed, honorably discharged, active, voting citizen, should not be able to purchase a lottery ticket and give it to whomever I choose? Really? Do they believe that it is the moral duty of anyperson on welfare who sees a lottery ticket laying on the sidewalk to cover their eyes and walk on by?

There are several ways to get a lottery ticket that don't involve the holder paying any money. If my car stalls and a welfare recipient should help me with it, why could I not say, "yo dude thanks! Here is a fiver and a lottery ticket. Good Luck!"

These guys seem to have totally abandoned that whole party-of-less-government thing. I know Burchett and really can't understand why he didn't think this through. I only know The Moron by his words and deeds and as a result, I do not expect him to think through anything (or really, think at all) but, Tim really ought to know better.

This is simple willful and needless infringment of the rights of all citizens. If you want to stop public assistance recipients from purchasing lottery tickets, fine but, find another way. And while you are at it, include anyone who owns or works for a company that receives corporate welfare or tax breaks. Why not include anyone who is delinquent on any taxes, tickets, or fines. Obviously, anyone who's kids are going to school using lottery scholarship assistance should be inelgible cause that is public assistance. And of course, include anyone who spoke out against the lottery should not be allowed to profit from it so, politicians and churches may have some money they need to give back.

Yea, like that's gonna happen. Immoral Morons!

CAFKIA

talidapali's picture

I think control is their whole problem...

Republicans just naturally gravitate towards more control of other people, they like authoritarianism. It appeals to them, you don't have to think so much when someone else is telling you how to spend your money, what to think, who to be friends with, who to hate, where to live, what job you are suited for...et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Having to actually use their heads as something more than a convenient place to hold a hat is just scary.

So naturally they assume that because THEY think this way all people should think this way. So why wouldn't poor people welcome some legislator telling them how they may spend their money?
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Tamara Shepherd's picture

talidapali: "So why

talidapali: "So why wouldn't poor people welcome some legislator telling them how they may spend their money?"

Personally, I think we need to reluctantly give Campfield his due on this one.

I'm certainly sympathetic to anyone who must temporarily, or permanently, depend on government for assistance, but why should government supply such a person money to spend gambling? Would we support the notion that such a person is appropriate to use the gift or loan of a family member on this sort of spending? Do we think that government should supply *all* of us with a spending allowance to gamble?

This proposal is no different than the restriction imposed on food stamp recipients that food stamps may not be spent on beer and cigarettes, and for the same reason--government wouldn't be prudent to allow its tax dollars to be spent on those purchases, either.

And the proposed law is already in effect in other states, according to Campfield's site. I know from personal experience that it is the law in California.

I don't care for Campfield, either, but let's be intellectually honest here.

R. Neal's picture

Maybe you should re-read

Maybe you should re-read CAFKIA's post.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Two different matters

I was responding to tali's comment, Randy. I see that Cafkia's scenario doesn't refer to this poor person spending any of his/her money, but tali's post does.

They seemed to be speaking of two different matters.

KTB's picture

I think Tamara was simply

I think Tamara was simply trying to say that while this bill may need some re-wording as noted by the points made in this post, the general idea is good.

The point (I think) that she was alluding to is that people receiving who receive assistance from the government, via all of our tax dollars, should not be spending that money gambling on the lottery.

Update: Cross posted, sorry Tamara please correct me if I am wrong.

KTB

talidapali's picture

And as CAFKIA points out...

if your kids receive lottery scholarships...that is public assistance. You can't claim a lottery prize.

If you work for a company that gets subsidies from the government or tax breaks, that is public assistance...YOU can't claim a lottery prize.

Where does it end? How intrusive does Republican-run government have to get before you admit that maybe the Republicans are not the party of smaller, less intrusive government after all? They want to tell you how things should be going in your bedroom, in your doctor's office, just about every facet of your life, and yet people keep swallowing the line that Republicans stand for small government. What they really stand for is letting the middle class bear the lion's share of the budget and deficit while the rich get to "gamble" their money in the stock market, and get huge tax breaks when they lose money. And the poor? they get to sign up for active duty and go fight in Iraq and so on and so on, if they survive...maybe, just maybe...we'll give them a little money to go to school. And if they lose an arm or a leg or more, well...we'll pay for a few medical bills, but not for forever!

As far as what Campfield is due, he is due for a spanking from his mama for proposing such junk legislation. He is only proposing these things to get ATTENTION.

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"You can't fix stupid..." ~ Ron White"

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KTB's picture

if your kids receive lottery

if your kids receive lottery scholarships...that is public assistance. You can't claim a lottery prize.

I think there might be a slight difference in claiming public assistance and earning a scholarship. A scholarship is a reward for achieving a set goal. Money given to people because they can't supply food and living for themselves or their families is the type of assistance in question.

I agree with you in that less government is more.

KTB

talidapali's picture

I will put it plainly here.

I receive disability from the government. I have a heart condition and diabetes and asthma and several other conditions all of which add up to me NOT being able to work because the stress of going to a job and being on my feet all day would KILL me...literally. My heart would cease to beat within my chest. Forgive me if I want to live a few more years.

What you all are supporting is that I could not go out and buy a lottery ticket and if I happen to hit it big I would not be able to claim a prize that could support me for the rest of my life, and allow me to go off disability. Keep in mind, when I receive my monthly check it is MY money, I paid into the system all my working life and this is what I am getting back now that I cannot work. But according to this legislation I would not be allowed to purchase what I wanted to purchase because I receive public assistance. I am a 44 year old, not three...I don't need Daddy or Mommy to tell me that playing the lottery is a fools' game at best, whic is why I don't. But, I like every other adult in this country deserve the right to make a bad decision and blow f**king dollar on a lottery ticket if I like. And if I happen to pick the right numbers, I deserve to be able to collect the prize.

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"You can't fix stupid..." ~ Ron White"

"I never said I wasn't a brat..." ~ Talidapali

KTB's picture

careless

talidapali,

I am glad that we live in a country where you can receive a monthly check and as you put it "make a bad decision and blow f**king dollar on a lottery ticket".

KTB

talidapali's picture

Your reading comprehension is on a par with your compassion...

or did you not notice the other relevant parts of my post...such as I PAID INTO THE SYSTEM ALL MY WORKING LIFE. WHAT I GET BACK NOW IS BASED ON WHAT I PAID IN... IT IS MY MONEY AND NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO TELL ME I CANNOT SPEND IT ON WHAT I WANT TO. EVEN IF I WANT TO BLOW IT ON A LOTTERY TICKET IT IS MY RIGHT TO BE FOOLISH AND DO SO.

And, as I said, I do not need anyone to tell me is it foolish, WHICH IS WHY I DO NOT PLAY THE LOTTERY. But if I did, I deserve to have the right to claim a prize should I win.

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"I never said I wasn't a brat..." ~ Talidapali

KTB's picture

I agree

I was agreeing with you talidapali. I never claimed that I was for this bill but I apologize for any confusion I may have caused, it was not my intention.

KTB

talidapali's picture

okie dokie...my reading comprehension is a little off today...

I admit it...sowwy...
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ultron's picture

The government should not be

The government should not be in the lottery business. That's the bottom line.

cafkia's picture

And as long as I am bitching

Here is what is specially screwed up (ok, the whole thing is specially screwed up). If I find out that I have terminal cancer and a winning lottery ticket on the same day, this legislation says that I can't give the lottery ticket to someone on welfare and expect them to collect. OTOH if I were a republican and wanted to leave unearned wealth to useless, non-contributing relatives, they would fight to the death any "liberal" attempt to tell them what should happen to their money after they are dead. (and since you can't take it with you, it is clearly not their money after they are dead)

They get to control what I do with my money/stuff while alive but, I am allowed no say in what happens with their money/stuff when they are dead. How can even a republican not see the hypocrisy in that?

CAFKIA

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