Fri
Jan 27 2012
01:34 pm
By: R. Neal
WBIR's Inside Tennessee airs Sunday at 9:30 AM. This week's program features Dr. Mark Harmon, Katie Allison Granju, and yours truly (unless they edit me out) talking about the internet and politics and stuff with host Hillary Lake and panelists Jack McElroy, Susan Richardson Williams, and Dennis Francis.
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Discussing:
- Are Chat bots a waste of time? (1 reply)
- Smith & Wesson noise problem (1 reply)
- Musicians dropping out of President's Freedom Concert Series (1 reply)
- It's time for new blood in Congress, Barnett in - Burchett out (1 reply)
- Burning Down The House... (2 replies)
- Behind Lege Lies (1 reply)
- Peace (1 reply)
- Speak your truth, fight and believe. (1 reply)
- Large banks have too much AI data center debt? (1 reply)
- GOP misleading on federal health care funding (1 reply)
- Feds indict civil rights group (3 replies)
- Georgia issues burn ban, first time in state history (2 replies)
TN Progressive
- Smith & Wesson not a good fit for Blount County (BlountViews)
- Pellissippi Parkway extension delayed again (BlountViews)
- Blount County early voting record turnout (BlountViews)
- Louisville, TN, town center coming soon? (BlountViews)
- WATCH THIS SPACE. (Left Wing Cracker)
- America As It Is Right Now (RoaneViews)
- A friend sent this: From Captain McElwee's Tall Tales of Roane County (RoaneViews)
- The Meidas Touch (RoaneViews)
- Massive Security Breach Analysis (RoaneViews)
- (Whitescreek Journal)
- My choices in the August election (Left Wing Cracker)
- July 4, 2024 - aka The Twilight Zone (Joe Powell)
TN Politics
- Bloody UFC cage match on White House lawn marks Trump’s 80th birthday (TN Lookout)
- Local Tennessee officials are putting data center plans on ice to consider regulations (TN Lookout)
- Judge blocks Trump’s ‘anti-weaponization’ fund until government agrees it’s been dissolved (TN Lookout)
- Five laws passed by Tennessee lawmakers in 2026 face legal challenges, so far (TN Lookout)
- Tennessee’s “Nuclear Family Month” is a slap in the face of dads fighting for their children (TN Lookout)
- Firearms drive majority of veteran suicides, federal data shows (TN Lookout)
Knox TN Today
- Famous DGG is out there, DeSean Bishop is here (Knox TN Today)
- Thomas Cole: New KFD Asst. Chief, 134th Wing’s Chief Master Sergeant (Knox TN Today)
- Chris Bryant + Winston Fellows + D-Day for Derek Dooley ++ (Knox TN Today)
- Meet Miley, Monday’s Parent-A-Child (Knox TN Today)
- Dr. Conrad Ivie performs first of a kind surgery in the state (Knox TN Today)
- Mission Monday: Today’s focus on YWCA Knoxville’s Victim Advocacy Program (Knox TN Today)
- 6/15 HEADLINES: News and events from Knox, World, USA, Tennessee & Historic Notes (Knox TN Today)
- The Knox County Sheriff Primary will stand. Here’s what the GOP board was really deciding. (Knox TN Today)
- Knoxville Street Medicine seeks to support the unhoused (Knox TN Today)
- Vols win 4×100 relay, team is third in NCAA track (Knox TN Today)
- PAT the play returns to the stage in June (Knox TN Today)
- Easy Bacon & Swiss Quiche: Breakfast meal prep (Knox TN Today)
Local TV News
- A brief break in the higher humidity levels of June (WATE)
- One airlifted to hospital after shooting incident in Winfield, SCSO investigating (WATE)
- New arthritis surgery performed for the first time in East Tennessee (WATE)
- Pop-up clinics offer free medical care services in Knoxville, Del Rio (WATE)
- Road in Knoxville closes for 15 days of repairs (WATE)
- TBI releases statement on 5-year mark of Summer Wells' disappearance (WATE)
News Sentinel
State News
- Bonnaroo survived 2026. What’s next? - Chattanooga Times Free Press (Times Free Press)
- Free Press Opinion: America much more of a mess at the bicentennial than it is today - Chattanooga Times Free Press (Times Free Press)
- Teen charged in connection with disappearance of Collegedale man - Chattanooga Times Free Press (Times Free Press)
- Losing Ground: Historic Black neighborhoods in Chattanooga face new pressures - Chattanooga Times Free Press (Times Free Press)
Wire Reports
- Dow jumps 600 points to record with rally gaining steam after Trump signs Iran deal memorandum: Live updates - CNBC (Business)
- President says 250th celebration on July 4 will be a ‘Trump rally’ - The Washington Post (US News)
- Newsom Says Trump’s Justice Department Is Investigating Him and His Wife - The New York Times (US News)
- U.S. and Iran announce a deal to end the war and reopen the Strait of Hormuz - NPR (US News)
- Senate to confirm Jay Clayton as soon as Thursday - Politico (US News)
- Middle East crisis live: Trump claims ships carrying oil are moving out of strait of Hormuz after US and Iran agree deal - The Guardian (US News)
- Why Fox Stock Is Tumbling After $22 Billion Roku Deal - Barron's (Business)
- Skydivers on plane that crashed in Missouri "didn't have time to jump," witness says - CBS News (US News)
- SpaceX Stock Jumps Again as Elon Musk Unveils Meteoric Revenue Target - Barron's (Business)
- What a U.S.-Iran peace deal could mean for energy, inflation - Axios (Business)
- SpaceX IPO haul rises to $85.7 billion after underwriters exercise greenshoe - Reuters (Business)
- Cybersecurity vets protest 'dangerous' US government ban on Anthropic's most powerful models - TechCrunch (Business)
- Kevin Warsh Wants the Fed to Stop Explaining Everything - WSJ (Business)
- Although some uncertainty remains, a very real flood risk exists across the Houston region this week - Space City Weather (US News)
- KFC's The Colonel gets a subtle makeover in new rebrand - Creative Bloq (Business)
Local Media
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To date, the failure to expand Medicaid/TennCare has cost the State of Tennessee ? in lost federal funding. (Source)
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Thanks, Randy. I try to
Thanks, Randy. I try to catch both Sunday morning shows, but usually miss them.
WATE has theirs up on the 'net later on Sunday, so I remember to watch it. WBIR doesn't get theirs posted till later in the week, and I often forget to go back and check it out,
TV
And people say there is nothing good on TV. That's crazy talk...
Oh, there was definitely some
Oh, there was definitely some crazy talk when we taped this episode the other night... ;-)
You weren't edit out. P.S.
You weren't edit out.
P.S. "Brian" is my real name. Sadly, that does not improve the quality of my comments.
Good job...
I wish that had been an hour show.
summarizing McElroy: Knoxnews.com
summarizing McElroy: Knoxnews.com commenters generating the equivalent of 120 stories a day. Why should we moderate all that awesomeness? ugh.
As for anonymity, what would
As for anonymity, what would have happened to Castleman and Gibson if they didnt already have records? What if some innocent bystander saw Baumgartner popping hands full of pills and wanted to remain anonymous? In a time where attacking the source seems more important than the legitimacy of the claim, should we believe the source would have been left alone?
In this region, anonymity has it's purpose.
What both Randy and I both
What both Randy and I both said on Inside TN was that anonymity can work in an online community as long as there is robust, consistent and well defined moderation. The problems arise when you allow anonymous commenting where people are allowed to say almost anything, and where moderation is inconsistent and retroactive, and no one has any clear idea who is moderating or what the standards are.
Did Jack listen?
Did Jack listen?
Pam, I certainly can't speak
Pam, I certainly can't speak for Jack, but I can tell you how I understood his remarks. If I understood him accurately,, he believes that in general, the KNS is doing a good job managing its comments and commenters, and he believes that the online community represented in the KNS comments appearing below most of their online stories is healthy, diverse and a valuable contribution to our overall community discourse. He believes that anonymity for commenters on his site offers a number of valuable benefits.
But again, that was just my understanding of his input on this issue based on the brief round table discussion during the Inside TN taping this week.
-Katie
Based only conversations with
Based only conversations with him that's probably a fair assessment. Needless to say, I disagree.
I don't know how you can
I don't know how you can effectively offer criticism to journalists. I don't know what the psychology is, but in my experience, journalists are even more prone to retrench and defend than are politicians, when challenged.
I think on the show that Katie pointed out that the KNS comments just aren't well moderated in an era of tight staffing, and that they clearly lack the resources to keep up with it. Jack's response was to say that comment moderation received significant staffing resources. To me that suggests continued obliviousness to a terrible mis-allocation of staff time. He also, with ironic pride, cited some significant volume of text produced in the KNS comments, which I assume dwarfs the text produced by actual staff or freelance journalists.
When will Jack et al. realize that they could find far more value for their business in old-school journalism than in trying desperately to keep up with "social media?" If KNS shut down their comments and used the staff resources to put more journalists out there writing copy that gets reviewed by editors and published, they would greatly enhance their position as a reliable source of information.
There's a low bar to being a source for online opinion and reader commentary, particularly when the tone that exists in KNS comments is considered acceptable. There's a much higher bar to being a source for straight-up journalism that follows standards for finding, verifying, and publishing reliable information that is of public value and interest. The only thing that old-school journalism really has to cede to new media is the idea of always being first with a story. The value that remains is being consistently accurate. If the KNS put all their effort into that, they'd be able to get eyes on ads and even to find more paying subscribers.
So long as they continue defending their failed experiment in moderating the raw sewage that is their comments function, they'll continue to see their revenues and profits dwindle, and that's sad.
...that, or you get to pay
...that, or you get to pay Greg Isaacs $10 to $20 thousand because you were crazy enough to tell a public official about the misdeeds of another public official.
We just watched this. VERY
We just watched this. VERY good panel discussion - wish it could have gone longer.
evidence
Bubba cleans up pretty good.
Bubba cleans up pretty good.