Wed
Jul 26 2006
12:59 am

Dave Hill asked citizens for input on the latest step in the South Waterfront development project Thursday night, held in sweltering heat at the Drop-In Center on Sevier Avenue.
An inadequate air conditioner made it difficult for attendees to keep their cool. The topics under discussion were just as hot.

The unwieldy situation for Hill was the chasm between his reason for convening the meeting, and the concerns attendees had gathered to express.
Citizens repeatedly invoked a host of ills to which many of south Knoxville's neighborhoods are prey, chief among them a slew of social problems.
Hill's focus, which he gamely reiterated again and again, was on the process. While form-based codes and tax increment financing were the buzzwords du jour, area residents kept returning to issues of halfway houses and urban blight.
Nothing could better illustrate the difference between the modes of thinking keeping the two groups apart than the stated purpose of the meeting itself: to INTRODUCE the CONCEPT that the City Council will soon CONSIDER a PROPOSAL to ALLOW the KCDC to BEGIN to PREPARE a DRAFT of a PLAN to establish a tax increment finance district.
The citizens just want their neighborhoods cleaned up, sooner rather than later.
The key to the entire hour-plus-long ordeal was that while the residents in attendance are seeking remediation of a number of social issues, Hill and the Waterfront group are seeing and responding to only economic issues.
Hill is an intelligent and sincere man, from what I can tell. He said he was made aware of some of the problems the residents raised only hours before the meeting. Other he was blindsided by.
But while the rising tide of a succesful waterfront revivification may lift everyone's boat, it seems unlikely that the concerns that residents have are going to be ameliorated by an influx of new money into the area, or a slew of public improvements like street furniture and curbs.
Fifteen months have followed the release of the original feasibility study on the project, and Hill freely admitted that significant change is going to take a long time to evolve in the blighted areas under the twenty-year plan.
And that's not nearly fast enough for the residents.

R. Neal's picture

Tao, thanks for the

Tao, thanks for the excellent report. I think you summed up part of the problem with your parsing of the meeting agenda title.

The problem with residents and their social concerns is that residents with social concerns don't buy condos. Or build them. Or have consultants to advise the City on their social concerns that could be addressed by building condos.

Dope on the Slope's picture

The problem with residents

The problem with residents and their social concerns is that residents with social concerns don't buy condos. Or build them. Or have consultants to advise the City on their social concerns that could be addressed by building condos.

Wish I had said that.

We're having problems in Brooklyn because several million dollars of developer PR money has been spent in an attempt to convince residents with social concerns that their problems will be addressed by building luxury condos. Deep down, I don't think anyone is buying it, but in the absence of any other programs to address those concerns, it's being not so subtly portrayed as their only choice.

bizgrrl's picture

to INTRODUCE the CONCEPT

to INTRODUCE the CONCEPT that the City Council will soon CONSIDER a PROPOSAL to ALLOW the KCDC to BEGIN to PREPARE a DRAFT of a PLAN to establish a tax increment finance district.

Besides the concept to consider proposal to prepare plan, after so many successful (sarcasm here) projects initiated by City Council for "redevelopment, I suggest anyone besides the developers and recipients of tax increment financing should be very afraid of this project.

Number9's picture

Where are the TIF's for the existing homeowners?

I suggest anyone besides the developers and recipients of tax increment financing should be very afraid of this project.

As discussed here the City has to find 88 million dollars before this South Knox Waterfront project can go forward. How much can TIF's contribute towards that 88 million?

Wouldn't it be great if the City of Knoxville could find a way to help existing homeowners with a TIF program to improve existing homes? A TIF backed loan program so owners could put a new roof on their home or make structural repairs. On an individual basis the City could calculate the property tax a homeowner pays and from that determine how much of a home improvement load could be granted.

At what point do the homeowners of South Knoxville begin to understand that TIF's are only for wealthy condo developers?

If this was truly a progressive City there would be more solutions than just building ubiquitous condos.

Rachel's picture

Ok, I was there.  As usual,

Ok, I was there.  As usual, there's more to the story than meets one person's eye.

 This meeting was specifically to talk about beginning the process for implementing a TIF district.  Other neighborhood topics that came up, like the half-way houses, were treated with respect, but the proper folks from the City were NOT PRESENT to help with a meaningful discussion of them.  Dave Hill promised that these issues would be taken back to the City/County building and brought back to the neighborhoods.  If he doesn't follow through, then shame on him.  And yes, the neighborhoods have been waiting for far too long.  Shame on the City for that too.

But last night's meeting had another purpose, one that a lot of folks came to talk about, and it was important to get that discussion accomplished.

On to the TIF:  First, it's important to understand that under state law, the only way to establish a TIF district is with a redevelopment district.  The "plan" that's required for that will essentially be the vision plan recently developed by the consultants with lots of input from citizens and adopted by Council, along with pieces of the action plan and the financial plan.  KCDC is NOT going out to develop some other completely new plan.  Also, the plan will contain a list of restrictions on the use of eminent domain to make certain that the intent of the plan to protect the existing neighborhoods is implemented.

Why do we need the TIF, you ask?  Here's how it works:  city & county tax revenue from the district is frozen at the level as of the date the district is established.  Then all projected additional tax revenues from new development over the lifetime of the TIF are estimated (we already have some estimates in the financial plan, but I'm sure more refined estimates will follow).  Then the City can borrow against that estimate and use the $$ to fund infrastructure (streets, sidewalks, parks, riverwalk, etc. etc.) in the district ONLY.  None of this $$ will go to developers; it will go to funding infrastructure improvements that all district citizens will benefit from.  So the "recipients of the TIF" will essentially be everyone who lives and works in the district.

BTW, the Oversight Committee has also begun discussing way to assist the folks in existing neighborhoods.   The determination has been made to "leave them alone" - e.g., the City will NOT be taking their property, but we also don't want to "leave them ALONE."  That is, we want to provide incentives and assistance for them as part of the effort.  Look for more info as this process moves along.

There was a very informative handout sheet from last night that I would scan and post, but it will be on the City website soon.  Look for that too.

In short, while folks should have questions and concerns (and I found the discusssion last night serious and productive rather than heated - although God knows the room was hot!), and it was wonderful to see so many folks there last night (the digit not among them), it's imporant to realize that this is just one more step in the process, not some new and scary wrinkle.

Dope on the Slope's picture

Hey Gemini!

Hey Gemini!

Based on your summary, Knoxville should consider itself lucky to have such a well developed process for public input.

Since I've moved to the big city, I'm thinking that "the powers that be" during the Victor Ashe administration were downright progressive compared to the landgrabbers in Gotham. Obviously there will always be improvements to be made to the process, but at least you guys have some ground rules. Up here it's a Darwinian pie eating contest to see which hot shot developers can gobble up the most land and subsidies. And... there is virtually ZERO input, tranparency, accountability or oversight. Hell, the mayor just appointed a "czar" to oversee development of Brooklyn. That should tell you a bit about his worldview.

Rachel's picture

Hey yourself, D on the S!I'm

Hey yourself, D on the S!

I'm not suggesting that the South Waterfront process is perfect, or that I absolutely LOVE everything in the plan.  But it's been by far the best public process I've seen in Knoxville, and the results are reflecting that.

I'm hopeful it can become a new model for Knoxville, although that may be too much to ask....

Stan G's picture

Interesting, on K2K they're

Interesting, on K2K they're concerned about the so-called mission district (referred to by some as skid row) at the intersection of Broadway and Fifth, while in South Knoxville, they're concerned about the halfway houses in their neighborhoods.

It appears that Bill Lyons can expect a lot of free beers at the Brew Pub - assuming that he drinks beer when visiting the Pub.

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