Ginny (VMC):
- Case management is a hot topic, we only have time to present an overview of how we do it at VMC.
- CAC does CM as well, there are different approaches.
- "Case management is the facilitation and coordination of services... focus on long and short term goals, empower them to make decisions on
their own."
- We have to equip them with sheets, cooking tools, learning the bus system, help applying for a job, etc.
Apartments together in a unit (VMC has 17 units).
- it's easier and more cost effective to have a case manager(s) working in a housing group.
Case Manager: Megan (Jackson Apts), James Johnson (resident)
- James: 'its like a small family.. I don't know what I'd do without it'
Q: How do you scale up the 'family feel' to a larger facility?
Q: Autonomy- hot button issues = keeping addiction alive. Does taking federal funds restrict you from having zero tolerance?
A: Funding does NOT necessarily restrict us. A good case manager would not let them move in if they will be disruptive.
They aren't all addicts! (but more of the chronically homeless are...)
Q: What is difference of case management of chronically homeless and where is the money coming from on sustainable basis? 16 case managers
for 400 people. 400 = 12M
A: This will build out slowly, VMC will provide the case managers (some is funded by City/County, but we do lots of grant writing and
fundraising. But we can't commit to CMs for all facilities. HRMN just built 16 units and provided case managers. We will be saving $$,
20K per resident per year.
Q: Chronically aren't people who are likely to be moving out. Isn't there a different style of case management?
A: There's a much greater degree of supervision and oversight.
Q: Is some $$ coming from health care / mental health care providers?
A: Yes, primarily via grants
Q: Do users qualify for disability income? How does this play?
A: It is out of that income they will pay rent, buy food, etc.
Q: How long is the average stay? Do chronically homeless move on?
A: It's as long as it needs to be that person. We had a Jackson resident enroll in UT.
Q: SSI Disability and work?
A: Yes, they can work up to a certain amount, then SSI payments get reduced on a sliding scale.
Q: James- what brought you to Knoxville?
A: Was working in FL, broke hip, came here looking for work. I'm working part-time now.
Q: What is the turnover rate for case managers, what support is provided?
A: (CM: I've been at it 7 years, we have a low turnover rate, we have regular retraining, trips to study other communities, it's stressful but it's very rewarding)
Q: Is 25:1 ratio too much? Less than 2 hours a week?
A: It varies from person to person, some are 4 hours a week, some are once a month.
Q: How do you make sure they take medication?
A: Depends, some we will pick up meds with them, we check in with them, usually you can tell. When it doesn't, we find the correct
supportive resource (that is properly licensed to do this). Home visits often involve checking the pill bottles.
Next meeting May 19th at C-Y.
Overall, a very informative meeting.
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Thanks for the report. I
Thanks for the report. I intended to go and write a post, but was unable to make it.
I have posted my notes from this meeting.
Not much editing. Just the basic raw material.
Thanks to everyone who came out and contributed to a good conversation. I hope these kinds of gatherings can help us to unpack a very complex issue by focusing on very discrete aspects of the TYP. I also hope you'll let us know of issues that you would particularly like to see us address.
Robert Finley
TYP
More of the same, Blah Blah
More of the same, Blah Blah Blah.
It was obvious to anyone in the room other than you Mr. Finley, that your organization, has decided to bury it's head in the sand, and keep up with the same, we know best, we are right, we can fix it baloney.
The fatal flaw in you plan has now been revealed. Once you got past the successful reorganization of the Service Providers, that’s when the trouble began. Beginning with Minvilla, your building projects have been disasters, Housing First without paid for Intensive Case Management is not sustainable, will not be successful, and does not help the Chronically Homeless.
End this farce now, go to stopthetyp@gmail.com and see how.
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"A: Funding does NOT necessarily restrict us. A good case manager would not let them move in if they will be disruptive.
They aren't all addicts! (but more of the chronically homeless are...)"
That is a very squishy response.
These are rental units. The market is a niche market. Requiring sobriety, abstinence, and drug testing would cut down greatly on the number of people interested in participating.
If the funding does not prevent the Ten Year Plan from requiring sobriety, abstinence, and drug testing as a lease restriction then after five years and a lot of protest why haven't they done it?
I don't believe them.
Why weren't you at the meeting?
There was plenty of time left over for more questions.
The understanding is that I walked away with is that case managers are sophisticated enough to understand that everything is a case by case basis, because we're dealing with individual human beings. It's clear that they do NOT want to create a permissive environment where people are allowed to continue their own addiction for most cases. However, there may be some extreme cases like one person they noted in Jackson who they said "will probably be there for the rest of his life." Maybe in that particular case, trying to break the addiction is a lost cause, and keeping him out of jail/hospital in a tightly controlled environment is the best that can be done.
If you had been there, I think you would have gotten a better understanding of their answer to this. I'm sorry my notes are just brief summaries. But I got a much better sense of how case workers view this issue. They're clearly comfortable with simply rejecting an applicant if they don't think they can follow the rules a case manager sets down for them (hence the "we are not bound" comment- the case manager has the discretion to deny and applicant or boot them out).
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"Maybe in that particular case, trying to break the addiction is a lost cause, and keeping him out of jail/hospital in a tightly controlled environment is the best that can be done."
I've been to two meetings. From what you observed the TYP is at the "say anything" phase. In those meetings I was at the TYP said they could not kick a person out for drinking or drugs that the "resident" had the same rights as any renter. Now they say they have gotten tough? I don't think so.
If you believe in lost causes then you believe some will be addicts no matter what? Okay, do you want them to live next door to you? Because so far no one else does. Not a single neighborhood has volunteered for a PSH next to them.
Do you have a problem with letting people vote on this?
Yes
Yes, I would absolutely rather have them living next door to me with a case worker in a controlled environment than roaming the streets and costing me an extra $20,000 a year. Yes.
We didn't get a direct vote on whether to go to war with Iraq.
We didn't get a direct vote on whether to bail out Wall Street.
We didn't get a direct vote on bonding the Sheriff's pension.
We didn't get a direct vote on whether we would get convenience voting or not.
We didn't get a direct vote on throwing Moore's ass off BZA.
Shall I go on?
If you like government by referendum, move to California. It's worked so great out there. You and Lennis can go nuts out there and stay really busy. But that's not the government we have here.
You get a vote, every 2-4 years for your representatives. Referendums to change the form or system of government or major financial issues (charter amendments, giant bond issues, whether to give school board taxing authority, etc). Referendums for smaller public policy decisions are just silly.
We elect a government to solve problems and look at things in an unemotional way. A referendum would defeat that process.
"Yes, I would absolutely
"Yes, I would absolutely rather have them living next door to me with a case worker in a controlled environment than roaming the streets and costing me an extra $20,000 a year. Yes."
And your neighbors? Will they agree with you?
It isn't a controlled environment. And if you knew anything about this plan you would know that. Again you are speaking from ideology rather than facts.
Get with the program. The case workers are only there a small part of the time. At five o'clock it is party time. This plan is failing all across America. Simple question, how much time each day do the case workers spend with each patient?
"We elect a government to solve problems and look at things in an unemotional way. A referendum would defeat that process."
More ideology. This referendum is no different than the hotel referendum. The City Council doesn't hear the people and every few years the people have to get their attention.
The case workers are only
We already experimented with this your way.
Neo-Hooverites like you think of this as "the good ol' days."
Where would you site the first Knoxville favela?
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Always do dramatic. This isn't the 1920's and it isn't Brazil.
This is the Ten Year Plan:
(link...)
Most people have a big problem with enabling drug addiction and alcoholism with taxpayer dollars.
Always do dramatic. This
(link...)
Click on "view slideshow." This is raht cheer in Tennessee in the 2000's.
Your article is 3 years old.
(1) This is not the same as the PSH being proposed here.
(2) Try reading two more recent reviews:
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No place like home for alcoholics
Some solutions hide right under our noses. A successful Seattle housing project for homeless alcoholics is in that category. Looking backward, the project...
Jerry Large
Seattle Times staff columnist
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Some solutions hide right under our noses.
A successful Seattle housing project for homeless alcoholics is in that category.
Looking backward, the project makes sense, but it took some struggle to make it happen.
The project, 1811 Eastlake, is part of a movement called Housing First, in which people who are mentally ill or addicted to drugs or alcohol are put into stable housing not as a reward for getting clean or being treated, but as a first step toward improvement in the rest of their lives.
Seattle's Downtown Emergency Service Center (DESC) built and runs the 1811 Eastlake apartment building.
It runs six other housing projects that provide homes for mentally ill people, most of whom also come in with drug problems.
But the home for alcoholics was a harder sell.
DESC executive director Bill Hobson said, "It was perceived by the public that we were simply opening a party house where individuals addicted to alcohol were going to be allowed to drink, run amok and generally set their hair on fire."
That didn't happen. Right from the start, the benefits of their approach started showing up, and a University of Washington study released this week gives the project even more credibility and may help spread the Housing First approach.
In a news conference Tuesday, Mary Larimer, UW professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences, and lead researcher, presented her findings.
Briefly, the project involved chronically homeless alcoholics. These were people who had been homeless for at least the past three years and were among the most costly in terms of the government services they used.
Ninety-five were housed in the project. Another group on a waiting list was used for comparison.
For each resident of 1811, taxpayers were saved $2,449 a month in the first half-year and the savings kept going up the longer people were in the housing. There were fewer trips to Harborview Medical Center, fewer nights in jail.
Not only that, alcohol consumption dropped by a third.
People first started kicking around the idea of Housing First in the late 1990s. Hobson got permission from his board to start a project in 1999, but it took until 2005 to overcome obstacles and open the apartments.
There are lots of reasons why we sometimes overlook good solutions.
Fears. People worried that having a building full of alcoholics would bring crime to their neighborhood.
Sometimes we don't trust that there is a solution.
King County Executive Ron Sims spoke at the news conference. He said he didn't think the idea would work.
Sims has spent a lot of time ministering to homeless people with Operation Nightwatch.
Instead of hostility, he had compassion, but what he lacked was enough faith in the ability of homeless alcoholics to change if they weren't forced to do so.
Sims said that over the years he became frustrated seeing individuals again and again wind up on the streets.
"It seemed easier to say we've got to get even more stringent," Sims said.
His staff talked him into supporting the project, but he remained skeptical until the evidence started coming in. Tax dollars were being saved, and so were people.
What was working was giving people back part of their humanity.
The apartment building's staff includes counselors, but they don't force anyone into treatment. Instead they get to know residents and have conversations instead of giving lectures, Hobson said.
He said Housing First is "predicated on the idea that if you eliminate the chaos of homelessness from an individual's life, clinical and social stabilization will occur faster and be much more enduring."
The participants had gone through treatment programs an average of 16 times without changing their habits before this program.
Having a home matters. The solution was there all along, no wizardry necessary; all we had to do was to open our eyes and see it.
(link...)
For years, Nathaniel Porter began his day with a pint of vodka or whiskey, which often made him throw up, which made him reach for a beer. He was off his schizophrenia medication, going to the sobering center a lot, and living in shelters, which made him want to start the next day the same as the last.
But a year ago, Porter moved into the 1811 Eastlake house, a subsidized apartment building near downtown Seattle for homeless alcoholics. He now often starts his day by sending his friend Jim to the corner shop for a six-pack of beer or a couple of tall boys, and settling in for "The Jeffersons" or "Good Times." But he's off the "hard stuff," takes his medication regularly, stays out of the sobering center, and goes to a meditation group.
"It's wonderful," said Porter, an amiable 51-year-old, of his current home. "I stay out of trouble. I come in, go to my room. It's nice and peaceful."
Porter's progress is echoed in a study published Tuesday in the Journal of the American Medical Association. The study, led by a University of Washington researcher, found that the once-controversial 1811 program -- which provides housing and services without demanding sobriety -- saved taxpayers more than $4 million in one year.
"It was perceived that we were opening a party house where people could drink and run amok and generally set their hair on fire," said Bill Hobson, executive director of the Downtown Emergency Service Center. The agency opened the home in 2005, after years of protests.
"This research shows that this is not the case."
Researchers followed 95 chronically homeless alcoholics, who, before moving into the home, had run up a taxpayer bill of $8.2 million in hospitalizations, emergency services, jail time and sobering center visits.
After one year of being in the program, the same group cost taxpayers only $4 million, the study found. Each resident also drank less the longer they lived in the home, and their toll on publicly funded programs decreased as time went on.
"One of the overwhelming sentiments was just how much better life was at 1811," said Mary Larimer, a UW professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences and lead author of the study.
"Certainly, it is much easier (to change) when you are not cold, hungry and scared, and have a few meaningful events in your life."
Larimer also compared residents against a control group of 39 homeless alcoholics on a wait-list to get into the home. She found that the residents, after six months of being in the home, cost taxpayers 50 percent less than the wait-listed group.
The research represents the first controlled study to look at the Seattle program, which is part of a national model called "Housing First," in which people can live in subsidized homes and get services without having to give up drinking or attend treatment.
"This is an extraordinarily successful program," said Ron Sims, the outgoing King County Executive. He admitted Tuesday that he was among the many initial skeptics of the program, and that he had been concerned about it "enabling" alcoholism. He reluctantly allowed the county to fund it, with an initial investment of $2 million, followed by $240,000 a year in operational support.
"It was a doggone good thing to do," he said. "Our return on investment has exceeded any expectation."
For Porter, the home has given him stability in what had been a chaotic life, leading him to drink less. He explained it simply:
"Out there, I wanted a roof over my head. I got to drinking heavy when I was thinking about getting a roof over my head. I came here. I got a roof over my head."
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"Not only that, alcohol consumption dropped by a third."
Good grief. You are lost in the weeds. Did the crack cocaine use go down by a third as well? Great plan. Sure the neighbors love that. Is this Seattle? Because in Seattle they built 12,000 PSH usits and after doing that the homeless population was larger than when they began. How does that save money?
You don't know much about the Ten Year Plan here but you are an expert on Seattle and New York.
Your point is a valid one.
Yes, we do want to ensure that we don't become a magnet. I know one policy is that they have to be homeless here for a period of time before being considered for PSH, so no one could just drop in from San Antonio and get housing the next day.
But, come to the next meeting and bring that up for discussion. It's a valid question. Ask it.
Thanks, Reform4, for your
Thanks, Reform4, for your report. It is quite thorough and accurate as far as I can recall. I thought the meeting was very civil and respectful among both supporters and opponents of the "Housing First" approach. I do not recall a single question that was not addressed. Everyone who had a question had an opportunity to ask it. It started on time and lasted one hour, as had been promised. It was an excellent exercise in civic discourse.
As moderator I only had to "call time" on one person - an advocate for the supportive housing model. I was quite impressed with the fact that 8 of the 9 City Council members attended along with one County Commissioner. The 9th member of Council was recovering from surgery.
Thanks to all who attended and I hope that folks can attend the next one on May 19th where the question of cost will be discussed.
Bullshit I
Your logic is bogus. Demonstrate the causal link between availability of this type of housing and the increase in overall homelessness. Can't do it? Of course not. Overall homelessness is on the increase everywhere, not just in big librul cities with lots of PSH usits.
And your neighbors? Will they
Dunno. Go ask them. I'm sure many of them, armed with accurate information, would probably agree and recognize it as their moral obligation.
I was at the meeting. You weren't.
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As far as daytime/evening hours go- how do you know? Did you ask? No, you weren't there. Other PSH programs have case managers working in shifts to cover some weekends and evenings (say, to cover a resident that has a day job Mon-Fri). It's a good question to ask, but don't assume you know the answer and spout off until you COME TO A MEETING and ask.
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"As far as daytime/evening hours go- how do you know? Did you ask? No, you weren't there. Other PSH programs have case managers working in shifts to cover some weekends and evenings (say, to cover a resident that has a day job Mon-Fri). It's a good question to ask, but don't assume you know the answer and spout off until you COME TO A MEETING and ask."
Can you read? I know the answer because I have been to two previous meetings. No case managers after 5:00 PM. And as we all know, it's 5:00 somewhere, fire up the blender.
What does a link to a New York City PSH have to do with Knoxville? What is the fascination with other PSH programs far away from Knoxville? We are dealing with the flawed plan here in KNOXVILLE.
You don't get it yet. This is a housing program, not a plan to help addicts regain their lives. That is the core reason people oppose it. You and other dreamers are telling us what it COULD BE. Ain't gonna happen. There are no rainbows and bunnies. This is about money. Really big money.
If you and Paone and the other dreamers had any pull at all last night the Ten Year Plan would have made a bold announcement to require sobriety, abstinence, and drug testing as part of the lease restrictions of the Ten Year Plan.
Did they? No, they stayed the course.
You over estimate your ability to solve the problem by linking irrelevant stories from far away cities on local blogs. Mayor Haslam and Jon Lawler are standing firm with their plan. If they were going to compromise they would have done so long ago. Last night was a rerun. No new information. The same tired pitch many people know by heart now. Just the same squishy semi-answers and dodges to real questions. Look at all the qualifying phases you use in your recap. Nothing definitive. The only difference last night was that Jon Lawler wasn't allowed a speaking part.
The Nooe study is busted for a cherry picked small sample set. The Ten Year Plan is busted on the copout that Medicaid will provide the crucial addiction treatment therapy. You probably don't know this but that gem only came out at the meeting at the Arnstein Center. You might want to call Medicaid and find out what they allow per year per patient. I believe it is twelve visits a year. So after five years we learn the Ten Year Plan does nothing, absolutely nothing with addiction treatment. Did you learn that last night? You should have gone to the meeting at the Arnstein Center.
It is the inability to hear the people that has led to the referendums. This administration was given many chances to deal with this. They chose to stay the course. Now the people will decide at the ballot box.
How many people "from
How many people "from Knoxville" are from Knoxville?
Yeah, whatever dude
(1) Back up your statement about case workers leaving at 5pm. Who said it and at which meeting?
(2) If you say this is not a plan to help people regain control of their lives, you clearly were not at the last meeting when they talked about case management.
(3) You perceive that the Nooe study is 'busted',but I have yet to see any proof. In fact, if the Nooe study had originally 226 surveys (of a population of 2200 homeless, about 10%) and they used the worst 25 cases to represent a population of 400, that's not that far off.
(4) If you had attended last nights meeting, you would have had your last point answered.
But, I don't think you want to hear answers that contradict your preconceived notions about the homeless and the possible solutions that are out there. You want either a switch you can throw that will turn 100% of them into button-down shirt, church-goin' personal friends of the Quayles, or you want nothing at all to happen. These are individuals with a wide range of both problems and potential, and there is no perfect solution. But the status quo clearly isn't working, hasn't worked for 25 years, and is costing us dearly.
You say potatoe, I say potato...
"If you had attended last nights meeting, you would have had your last point answered."
Was last night's meeting at a Holiday Inn? Because in one meeting that lasted an hour you seem to know everything.
It needs to be a graduated system where they earn by deeds and improved behavior a roof over their head.
That is as simple as I can make it.
You support a graduated income tax but not a graduated system to sobriety and abstinence?
Housing first enables drug addiction. Scattering it to suburbs to remove it from the urban core only achieves higher transportation costs and less recovery from addiction. It also places alpha predators into areas that have few alpha predators. That is causing harm. Which is against the Mayor's pledge.
No one will accept untreated drug addicts and chronic alcoholics in their neighborhoods without a fight. Except maybe you.
Bullshit II
That would be funny if it weren't so evil and dishonest.
You and your neighbors can
You and your neighbors can commit to any moral obligations you wish, Steve.
But answer me this: when did our city and county governments shift from the paradigm of legislative and legal obligations to those moral obligations?
Our schools are $2 million short this year, but we need to spend city and county block grants to provide PSH to some guy from Florida?
We have a moral obligation to use "free federal funds" to build overpriced housing so that chronic homeless get to burn up their Social Security and disability checks in rent to the developers? Really? That's our moral obligation? Shouldn't those formerly homeless be able to hang onto that money to perhaps rebuild their lives instead of paying it to Southeastern Housing Foundation, Inc.?
I would submit the modest proposal that we manage our moral obligations from out of the many generous churches in our community--not the city/county building. Maybe building fewer McChurches out in the 'burbs would leave churches with stronger budgets able to fund housing for the homeless without government involvement.
Churches?
Churches have known about the homeless problem for well over 25 years. Some of them have done things to help but it's a small subset of churches in this country, so its a drop in the bucket. What makes you think they will suddenly increase their efforts 100 fold?
Pipe dream.
I come at this from a perspective of saving money and lowering overall costs to the community. Apparently, you don't bother reading what I write (and don't want to have a civil discussion), so I'll just hang up now.
I was quite civil. sensitive
I was quite civil. sensitive much? And you didn't answer on the moral obligations of government. I did read what you wrote.
Easy answer
The moral obligation of government is what we the voters, through our democratically elected representatives decide it to be. It is a government by the people and for the people. No one person can claim that government absolutely does or does not have a moral mandate to do anything.
My rough counterpoint was in response to being accused that I was coming from this from a purely moral perspective, while I have written extensively about the economic justification. If I offended you, I apologize.
Actually, in a practical
Actually, in a practical realistic sense, you would be advocating wasting money.
Mind you, the PSH model may well be the way to go but the actual financing and ownership of the housing in Seattle isn't to clear from all these stories. Who owns the Seattle properties? Did the developers take fifteen percent off the top? Were their budgets kept secret? None of these stories followed the money trail or explored the management team. That is what is at issue in Knoxville.
Our TYP team compares apples to oranges unless they're comparing apples to apples and oranges or just oranges to apples or sometimes apples to apples but that's only when they sneak one in.
At this point in time the problems we are having in Knoxville have very little to do with the homeless and everything to do with the ability of our city administration to pick a competent management team. Is it worth a 15% burn on a fourteen million dollar investment to add a layer of bureaucracy between the mayors office and VMC?
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"Is it worth a 15% burn on a fourteen million dollar investment to add a layer of bureaucracy between the mayors office and VMC?"
And in the end Southeastern Housing Foundation owns the buildings and provides NO SERVICES. So if the TYP runs out of money and goes belly up, Tango Uniform for the Military folks, they can get a HUD grant and convert it to Section 8 Housing.
Snap, is that the end game? You have to hand it to Willie Sutton, he knew where the money was. He would have done well in this game.
Mr. "everybody else has bad
Mr. "everybody else has bad information and I have all the correct info" didn't even bother to go to the meeting? Sheesh.
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I have been to two more meetings than you have Clever.
Do you want the people to have a vote? Or support an impossible plan?
"Or foist false alternatives"
"Or foist false alternatives like a fucking asshole."
What have you proposed? I suggested a triage method with graduated housing based on achievement of sobriety and abstinence.
Which is much much more than you have done.
I understand you feel you have been ripped off and under represented. And I agree somewhat. But you live near the mission district and let this homeless industry happen. It has been going on for over 15 years. Where were you when it could have been contained? Now you want to export your lack of dealing with the problem to others? Why so surprised they will fight when you chose not to? Now that it interferes in your life you want to deal with it.
This model doesn't work. We have to stop recruiting homeless from surrounding counties and the rest of the country. You know that but your ideology holds you mute.
This didn't happen overnight. And it won't be solved overnight. This should be done over from scratch by the next administration. Bill Haslam and Mike Ragsdale did a very poor job with this. And Jon Lawler is not the man to run an operation like this.
Do you oppose letting people vote on this?
"I suggested a triage method
"I suggested a triage method with graduated housing based on achievement of sobriety and abstinence."
That's what we've had here and in every other city for the past several decades. Seems not to have been very successful in dealing with chronic homelessness. So you'd rather go back to something proven not to work rather than change to the thing that significant evidence is showing actually does work. I assume that's because facts have little sway with you, based on your seeming preference for innuendo and political games.
Are you starting to get it? I think you may be!
You've answered your own question, and apparently without wasting any time actually thinking about it.
You're exactly right. The whole idea is to get people off the streets. Mandating sobriety might make some people feel righteous, but it's really self defeating as you so aptly point out.
Metulj, refor4 & Rachel, Have
Metulj, refor4 & Rachel,
Have any of you ever wondered why it is that the Housing First concept got so much support from so many governments so fast?
Maybe it’s because -
In the Study: Housing First for Homeless Persons with Active Addiction: Are We Overreaching?
It states:
(link...)
Or
Without Housing: “Decades of Federal Housing Cutbacks, Massive Homelessness, and Policy Failures” byWRAP-Western Regional Advocacy Project
(link...)
And for the NHI Article: When Supportive Housing Isn’t, By Martha Bridegam
(link...)
So would the three of you please sing to all of us again about the reasons why Housing First, Permanent Supportive Housing has been rolled out across the Nation, and is so beneficial for the Chronically Homeless.
Your first article is about
Your first article is about the strengths and limitations of research in both the "linear approach" to homelessness, and "housing first." It does not, as you infer, suggest a fundamental problem with the housing first approach. It is a call for additional research.
Your second source is, surprisingly, a leftist advocacy organization that states "Until we recognize and commit ourselves to the principle that housing is a human right, we will not end homelessness in the United States. Until we acknowledge that quality education, economic security, and health care are also essential human rights, we cannot resolve the systemic causes of poverty. Once we, as a nation, commit to ensuring that all people have a roof over their head, the legislation, the policies, and the funding allocations will follow." They are asking that we build affordable housing for everyone, not that we shouldn't house the chronically homeless. They are calling for way more, not less. Their criticism is that by just focusing affordable housing on the chronically homeless, you're not doing enough. It's sort of funny that you would cite something like this to suggest that this community should actually stop trying to build supportive housing. Building PSH is a response to the lack of available affordable housing.
Your third piece is an article that criticizes poorly run supportive housing, and is not an indictment of the entire practice. I'm sure I could go find an article about some bad police officers or even an entire poorly run police force. Would that mean we should cancel and de-fund KPD as a result? The article states, "Properly run supportive housing provides individualized services to help disabled people live independently. Possible services include case management, medical and psychiatric care, housekeeping, home health assistance, medication and appointment reminders, addiction treatment, meal programs, and life coaching. The idea is to stabilize tenants, both for their own sake and to save public dollars by avoiding the more expensive institutions such as jails, hospitals, and homeless shelters." That's what the Ten Year Plan is trying to do. Case managers deliver some of those services directly, and help the individual access the others, as needed. The article also mentions the idea that "the scattered-site model presents a hopeful alternative. Unlike the big-box practice of segregating tenants according to disability, scattered-site programs rent apartments for their clients in private buildings and provide on-site services as needed." The Ten Year Plan is already doing that with a couple hundred chronically homeless folks successfully placed this way. The writer concludes by recommending permanent housing and services tailored to the needs of the individual. The TYP meeting this week about case management seemed to be all about putting that concept into practice, so that's reassuring.
Did you post that stuff with your bizarrely drawn conclusions just hoping that no one would actually read the linked articles? Maybe you just didn't read them yourself. I don't know.
Google is NOT your friend...
... if you're too lazy to read the links.
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Hoo-ray! Finally we're
Hoo-ray!
Finally we're getting somewhere. If we, as a community, intend to institute this plan, then let's do it properly. I find it refreshing that we have at least moved to a discussion of minimum standards of dignified human existence. I hope that that will include the ability to walk safely to a market for an apple on a beautiful spring day.
In case you missed it, I
In case you missed it, I started out my post with a question-
Could you possibly respond to that question? You know, the whole how did we get here issue?
It is always interesting to me how some people on this Blog site can look at posts, see what they want to see, and then make comments like:
The problem is not the housing, it is the plan, or lack of it. PSH only works with sustainable plans to provide the Intensive , onsite Case management that the Mentally ill and Substance addicted residents require
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"OK. Because it can be demonstrated empirically to work."
Translation for the newbies. If metulj observes it so it becomes reality.
See Solipsist.
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"I am so glad I taught you that word."
Dream on. However, I have learned a great deal from you. I was unschooled in the world of French socialists. I was almost giddy when you denounced Foucault after slavishly praising him. I saw that as the moment you recognized our special relationship. As Aretha sang so well, "who's zooming who"?
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"You have no idea what you are talking about. Foucault is a socialist? Read the last lecture in "Society must be defended." He condemns socialism as equal in its racism to capitalism."
Yeah, yeah, so says the Solipsist in the infinite paradox. You falsely observed much the same about old pal Eric Blair. Blair condemned socialism but you were blind to it. But now you see Foucault for what he was?
What a strange trip it has been.
The Ten Year Plan IS A
The Ten Year Plan IS
A Building Plan for the Wealthy Real-estate Elite of Knoxville
A way to get the Homeless away from the 100 Block of Gay street at the expense of Neighborhoods, all over the City.
The result of Bush area De-Funding of HUD Housing Programs.
A “Feel Good” Plan for the ‘Vote your Conscience, Not the will of the People” politicians on City Council
The Ten Year Plan is NOT
A Plan that will actually help in the recovery of the Drug Addicted Alcoholics.
A plan that will actually save any money, considering all the cost associated with its implementation. As in $142,000 per unit cost for Minvilla.
A plan that will remove homeless from the streets of Knoxville. Example: 12,000 PSH apartments in Seattle, in the last 12 years, and today, over 9,000 Homeless still on the streets of Seattle.
A plan that reduces the Chronically Homeless population in Knoxville. Started at 400, then 600, then 800, then 1000, and now over 1255 Chronically Homeless, according to the new HMIS system of the TYP.
Get over it, this plan is dead. Stick a Fork in it and Let the People Vote.
Look for Petitions soon at locations all around Knoxville.
Strange bedfellows
Greg Johnson on the Ten-Year Plan:
As the Knoxville/Knox County Ten-Year Plan to End Chronic Homelessness meets resistance at every turn in every neighborhood, perhaps the time has come to step back, take a breath and look at the big picture of the homeless situation once again...
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...Though hesitant to outright admit it, residents obviously don't want homeless facilities in their backyards.
Since the implementation of the Ten-Year Plan, a few hundred formerly homeless folks have been placed in existing housing. Hundreds - probably thousands - of homeless people have been helped by existing shelters. Perhaps it is time for advocates for the homeless to step back, take a breath and broaden their vision past "housing first."
For our overwhelmingly Christian community to get the really big picture on homelessness, though, Christ was crystal clear. He said, "For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in." He didn't say how or where. He just said his true followers truly provided for "the least of these."
"Housing First" isn't the problem - "Neglect Next" is.
I'm the author of the *When Supportive Housing Isn't* article cited above -- the full article is at (link...) and my current weblog is at (link...).
Actually I'm in favor of the "Housing First" concept in the sense that, if people are going to make bad life choices, they may as well make such choices indoors as outdoors. For example, no sense in an active IV drug addict also being unable to heal abscesses or cellulitis due to outdoor living in San Francisco's default climate of 58-degree fog.
The problem is that city officials and nonprofits have strong incentives and powerful political support when they are clearing the shopping districts by moving visibly poor people indoors, but they have much weaker incentives to provide genuinely supportive services for the new tenants once they are indoors. As I suggested farther down in that 2007 article, "Housing First" for really fragile formerly homeless tenants is a great idea as long as it involves appropriate skilled case management, with medical and psychiatric followup as necessary, that is genuinely focused on improving the tenants' well-being rather than just getting them out of public view.
That of course takes skilled social service, medical and mental health professionals who have enough time and money to do their jobs properly. Sometimes good followup does happen. Sometimes not.
I shudder every time I see arguments for "supportive housing" that emphasize the savings realized by sticking homeless people in buildings compared with the costs of paying paramedics and police to rescue and punish them alternately. Because the rescue-and-punishment dynamic continues in a bad building -- except arguably with less actual rescue involved.
What's essential is to manage "Housing First" with the clear understanding that this work is all to be done for the sake of the tenants, and if the Chamber of Commerce is happier as well about fewer people expiring visibly on the pavement, that's incidental.
We can dream...