Sibyl's picture

Gas is a bargain here

Gas is a bargain here compared to what most of the world pays for it! Seriously, I have no problem with higher Starbucks prices, especially since it appears (from the Starbucks Gossip page) that a lot of the price hike is going to wage increases for the people who work there.

Socialist With A Gold Card's picture

Yep

Gas is a bargain here compared to what most of the world pays for it!

You can say that again. About a year ago, I paid the equivalent of $8 per gallon in Switzerland, and about $7 per gallon in southern Germany. Of course, this was right after Hurricane Katrina disrupted the market, but it routinely costs at least twice as much in Europe as here.

Of course, they have all that socialized public transportation to make up for it ...

--Socialist With A Gold Card


"I'm a socialist with a gold card. I firmly believe we need a revolution; I'm just concerned that I won't be able to get good moisturizer afterwards." --Brett Butler

 

Number9's picture

I have never purchased a

I have never purchased a $3.00 cup of coffee. That is like an $ 8.00 beer which I have also never purchased. How many people here purchase Starbucks' coffees?

redmondkr's picture

metulj,Would y'all like for

metulj,

Would y'all like for us to send yew a cahn of JFG as a ceah package up theah in the Nawth?

Whew! that was hard to enter. 

Factchecker's picture

I'll fess up.  A "tall"

I'll fess up.  A "tall" size coffee, which is really about a medium, though it's the smallest size SB's sells, is actually closer to something like $1.60.  So now it will be $1.65?  May be off a nickel or two.

SB's may not be the best coffee in the world, but it's pretty dang good (IMO), it's consistently so, it's fresh, it's strong.  Plus, as noted above, they actually pay their workers fairly w/ real benefits!  What a damned concept!  And as far as chains go, their buildings are tastefully designed boxes to look at.  The Bearden store, for example, is one of the nicest looking buildings in WeKno.  Maybe that's just how ugly buildings are in this town.  But still. 

EDIT: OK, I read it: "...Currently, a tall, or 12-ounce, cup of Starbucks coffee costs between $1.40 and $1.65. Twelve-ounce lattes cost between $2.40 and $3.10, depending on the market, and a tall mocha costs between $2.70 and $3.40..."    I occasionally splurge on a mocha latte, but usually prefer just a regular cup.

R. Neal's picture

I likes me some Starbucks

I likes me some Starbucks from time to time. The Mrs. can't drive past one. I like Atlanta Bread Co. a little better, because you can get a bagel with a smear and a tall cafe latte for about $5. Can't get bagels at Starbucks.

CBT's picture

Maxwell House, $4.50 for 3

Maxwell House, $4.50 for 3 pound or so can at Sam's. Sam's also sells Starbucks and some other "gourmet" coffee. My Bunn makes a pot in less than 3 minutes every morning, just about the time it takes to walk to the box to get the morning paper.

Starbuck's is too strong for me. I'll drink it every now and again. Wife likes it.

I like the tips on ice cream in coffee, particularly mint chocolate chip.

redmondkr's picture

The Fresh Market has an

The Fresh Market has an orange flavored coffee - regular or decaf.  Too much orange to make it straight, but blend about a 1:4 ratio with your regular brew for a nice change.

Number9's picture

Cheap man's latte

I use a single cup coffee maker, add in one half of a vanilla ice cream Dixie Cup into the receiving coffee cup, and the result is a quality latte as good as anything I have had and the cost is about 40 cents. About 50 calories for the ice cream. After 5:00 PM I may add a jigger of Grand Marnier. Let's see Starbucks' top that.

Justin's picture

I'll take a $5 venti mocha

I'll take a $5 venti mocha everyday vs. drinking the slop that is made in our "communal" coffee pot in my office each morning.

Les Jones's picture

Factchecker:

"Plus, as noted above, they actually pay their workers fairly w/ real benefits!"

That's probably why metulj doesn't buy Starbucks: so he can support the oppression of Dunkin Donuts workers. ;-)

"I'll take a $5 venti mocha everyday vs. drinking the slop that is made in our "communal" coffee pot in my office each morning."

Wow, I didn't realize other people in my company were on this blog. How's it going? 

I like Starbucks a lot. I have it every now and then as a treat. Otherwise it's office slop for yours truly.


Hey, Les, why don't we just call each other assholes and get it over with. - Somebody on the old Southknoxbubba.net (if that was you, claim your quote and win net.fame!)

R. Neal's picture

Les, did you see they closed

Les, did you see they closed the Burger King on Alcoa Highway and they're putting in a Starbucks there.

Les Jones's picture

R. Neal:

No way! Wow, that's very close to both of our houses. That's going to be tempting.

I need to snap a picture of the Burger King so I can do a notfoolinganybody.com -style before and after.  I did that for the Long John Starbucks on Cedar Bluff, though I'll be darned if I can find the before picture.


Hey, Les, why don't we just call each other assholes and get it over with. - Somebody on the old Southknoxbubba.net (if that was you, claim your quote and win net.fame!)

mpower1952's picture

Cedar Bluff Starbucks

I was afraid the Cedar Bluff Starbucks would smell like fish but that SB coffee is stronger than anything.

I get a decaf sometimes because the regular makes me nervous. If it didn't look suspicious, I'd just run in for a few deep breathfuls of the smell and leave happy.

 

Be a blessing to someone today.

edens's picture

>I use a single cup coffee

>I use a single cup coffee maker

A popular guy like you?

As for Starbucks, rarely darken its door - damn T-mobile Wifi ripoff.

Number9's picture

>I use a single cup coffee

>I use a single cup coffee maker

A popular guy like you?

For parties I have a big daddy Braun. The trick to making the poor mans latte is to stir the ice cream as the hot coffee drips down on it. It aerates it like the commercial lattes.

Factchecker's picture

$1300/yr for good coffee? Your point being...?

Les, did you see they closed the Burger King on Alcoa Highway and they're putting in a Starbucks there.

Is that near the airport, SKB?

The folks at Dunkin Donuts get a fairer shake than what goes on where the coffee is picked. $0.035 of every pound of coffee goes to coffee growers themselves.

We buy our home coffee as FTO (free trade, organic) from the Food Co-op, er--I mean Three Rivers Market.  At least we did until I started home roasting, which I'm trying to get the hang of.  It's a little harder to stick to FTO certified when choosing from green coffee, but you can get it that way too.  This could really be a big post by itself, but if you're interested in roasting, visit Sweet Maria's

R. Neal's picture

Is that near the airport,

Is that near the airport, SKB?

Yeah, right across from the airport. It's practically in South Knoxville!

redmondkr's picture

All this banter has caused

All this banter has caused me to get a nice cuppa Earl Grey.  Ever notice that there is no such thing as a cup of tea for a Brit?  It's always a "nice cuppa" tea.

Factchecker's picture

There's no real...?

There's no real certification of the 'free tradeness' of the coffee...

Not this or this?  Hmmm.  Sweet Maria's has this page on the topic.  I think the Co-op stuff is also said to be shade-grown. 

StaceyD's Cat's picture

$1300/yr for good coffee? Your point being...?

my point is $25,788.62, for just one year of coffee money. Sure I like good coffee, but still....

Here's the calculations: put just one year of $1300 in coffee money in a retirement plan for 30 years at an annual rate of return of 10% (which is about what the stock market has performed over time). That's slow cooking that $1300 over up and down times over the years.

And put it in a Roth IRA, and you withdraw it tax free.

IMO, for every day, home brew is the way to go, both in taste and pocketbook. But an occasional indulgence is ok too :-)

Factchecker's picture

Stacey, it was a joke!

Fair Trade != good deal for the grower necessarily. The certifications are really akin to having your ordination from some internet church. While they do some checking and what not there is no force of law or regulation that guarantees what you get with the label is 'Fair Trade.'

So what you're saying is that the certification is no better than the certifying body, right?  Well sure, but if you believe in the organization(s) and its motives, then this might be as good as you can do.  It might be better to have strict standards in laws, perhaps, w/ third party audits.  Obviously the government intrusion into organic foods didn't help, though.  The government gets lobbied by huge agri-business to corrupt the process (though that wasn't nearly such a problem when Dems ran the federal gov't., and before the "free market" went nuts to out-muscle gov't). 

I'm not so cynical about Rainforest Alliance, though, to think they would as easily sell out.  Also, I would tend to believe that awarding such certifications haphazardly would be a big risk if it were revealed that the programs are bogus or flawed.  Sure, there are still ways to cheat, but the certifying body still has its own reputation to drive its standards high.  As for being a good deal for the grower, there's nothing wrong with that.  That is the incentive for them to undergo the scrutiny.

Yours is also a good argument to take the words on the Sweet Maria's page to heart:

"...Sweet Maria's is an extremely small business, scratching to make ends meet and working like nuts to keep up with demand. But after 4.5 years of running the show here and 12 years in the coffee business I realize that it is important to take a more active role in providing for the people who grow coffee worldwide, some of the poorest in the world, especially when disaster strikes. We make small donations whenever we can to the following relief agencies. When possible we target the donations to a particular area (as of this writing we have 2 coffees that we send .25 cents per Lb to coffee kids, and one that we send .20 cents per Lb.: Bolivia Caranavi , Peru Norte and Nicaragua San Martin!). ..."

So they try and give back, even when they don't sell FTO, shade grown, or whatever. 

Sibyl, I would read about gear at sites like SM's before plunking down that kind of change for a fancy maker.  Roasting is pretty darned easy and excellent beans cost only about $5/lb. before shipping.  I've learned that the time from roasting to brewing is what really constitutes fresh.  Otherwise you never really know when your purchased beans were roasted.  It makes a big difference. 

StaceyD's Cat's picture

Justin said. . .

"I'll take a $5 venti mocha everyday vs. drinking the slop that is made in our "communal" coffee pot in my office each morning."

That's $1300 a year (assuming 5 days a week for 52 weeks) !

How much would that work out to be in your retirement account when you hit 65?

StaceyDiamond's picture

gas and coffee

I bet the oil companies are afraid of loosing their GOP base, thus maybe partial reason for lower prices. On coffee, If I have extra money I'll splurge on a 3$ Starbucks. If not I'll buy the 89 cent gas station coffee. But with gas, there is not a difference more than a few cents from station to station, so there is no break if you're broke, still the same price. Stacey

Sibyl's picture

My rule for Starbucks and

My rule for Starbucks and other fancy, expensive (to me) coffee purveyors is that I only buy coffee or food there when I am on vacation. I ignore them here in town, basically because I don't want to end up in the poorhouse or unable to squeeze out my front door. So I make my own coffee (yes, organic and shade-grown). Right now I am really lusting over the Capresso Coffee Team, which is one of those makers where you put in the beans, add water, and tell it to grind up the coffee and brew it for you the next morning by pushing a few buttons. It got a wonderful review in the LA Times recently. But - it costs $300 and I can't justify that for a coffee maker right now.
As for gas prices - I really wish our govt. would slap a $3 per gallon tax on gas and funnel it all into public transportation, but somehow I just don't see that happening.

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