Fri
Aug 21 2015
02:11 pm
By: R. Neal
Donila: Zachary to be sworn in at church ...That will take place at First Baptist Concord on Kingston Pike. Speaker of the House Beth Harwell will do the honors.
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That's just wrong.
That's just wrong.
No, there doesn't appear to
No, there doesn't appear to be anything in the state constitution that says where the oath of office should be administered, so it's not wrong.
It remains to be seen what message, if any, Mr. Zachary intends to send by this choice, but the act in and of itself is not wrong.
Wrong.
(in reply to Somebody)
She didn't say "illegal" or "unconstitutional". She's right, it is wrong.
And we all know what message he is sending.
The message is..
(in reply to jmcnair)
.. thanks! I couldn't have done it without all your votes!
A lot of elected officials
(in reply to jmcnair)
A lot of elected officials choose to place a hand on a bible when sworn in. Only some then choose to immediately grab a hold of it and start swinging it at heathens.
That may very well be Zachary's intent, but making an issue of his choice to be sworn in at his church only emboldens him to start swinging all the more sanctimoniously.
It is not wrong for him to take the oath at his church, since he is taking office while the legislature is out of session. It will be wrong, however, if he chooses to use his public office to force his faith on others.
I hope you're optimism is
(in reply to Somebody)
I hope you're optimism is well-founded.
I'm not sure I'd say I'm
(in reply to jmcnair)
I'm not sure I'd say I'm optimistic about it. I just think it's important to pick your fights.
And it's not so much a fight
(in reply to Somebody)
And it's not so much a fight as it is an early indicator that this representative may not plan to fairly represent the interests of _all_ his constituents.
lol
lol
It's credibility and showing
It's credibility and showing respect : I'm sure Rev. Jackson have done other like things and nobody gave a hoot in hell about it.
I just think it's important
I just think it's important to pick your fights.
When and where do we start picking them?
We should have started picking fights eight or ten years ago when the radical right wing laid plans to take over our state.
Instead, we now have tort "reform" that limits the ability for regular folks to get compensated for damages caused to them by bad actor corporations, weakened worker compensation, attacks on labor and labor unions, higher taxes for veterans and seniors and tax breaks for the wealthy and big corporations, outsourced government, the first steps toward privatizing public schools, constitutional amendments denying the civil rights of same sex couples and limiting a woman's right to choose, guns everywhere, "leaders" who refuse to provide federally funded health care to low income residents, etc. etc. etc.
Choosing well
(in reply to R. Neal)
Yes, those are all things worth fighting for (or against).
Making a thing about the guy doing his off-season swearing in at his home church is a distraction that will only accomplish two things. It will give him ammunition to dismiss liberals as anti-Christian, and it will energize his supporters through their sense of victimhood as besieged Christians in an increasingly hostile world. You're giving the guy a home court advantage in a game that you don't have any reason to play.
That accomplishes precisely nothing toward winning the fights that are actually important.
Choosing fights
(in reply to Somebody)
+1
The liberal army is rather thin and divided in this town. It is somewhat hypocritical to call people to a cause when their voice has been silenced.
I guess this means
First baptist Concord stands firmly behind him in his belief against affordable healthcare for all. No wonder Jesus wept.
If you want to be a preacher,
learn the Bible.
If you want to be a legislator, learn the Constitution.
At a minimum, learn the difference.
Dude.
(in reply to Average Guy)
I am so stealing that.
What you often consider your
What you often consider your strength can be a weakness to be used against you. I would keep that in mind.
What's the BIG deal
Zachary is the fourth consecutive TN House District 14 Member to also be a member of First Baptist Concord.
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I actually don't think it's a
I actually don't think it's a big deal. It's totally in form with Zachary to get sworn in at FBC, which I've pointed out before is the largest congregation in Knox County, that happens to be located in the 14th, so yeah. Of course he got sworn in there. And to his credit, he has never pretended to be anything other than a conservative fundamentalist ideologue.
What does bother me is that the people who think like him really cannot see any distinction between being for the separation of church and state, and being anti-Christian. They think it's the same thing, which exposes a troubling inability to understand basic constitutional concepts. But more and more, and faster and faster, that's America today.
This is an aside, and honestly I'm not trying to annoy anyone, but this really happened. Several years ago I was looking at the web site for the after-school program at FBC b/c at the time my stepson was enrolled there (they really do have an excellent daycare). FBC has a parochial school, and the school web site included information about an "international" pageant of some sort where students dressed in the costume of a given country and talked about its religion. Russia's "religion" was listed as "communist." Now, this was in 2008, about 20 years after the fall of the Soviet Union, and at the height of Russia's capitalist explosion, and during a time when the Russian Orthodox church had all but completely restored itself as the cultural and spiritual leader of millions of Russians. But FBC was still teaching its pupils that Russia was communist, and that communism was a religion.
Anyway, like I said, given his constituency's grasp of basic civics and history, Zachary might as well have taken the oath of office while while being dunked in the baptismal tub.
What does bother me is that
(in reply to Hildegard)
Or the inability to see bringing government into a church as anti-American.
People don't believe in God, they believe in their God. If Christians were of the same accord, there would be no need for 30,000 denominations.
And that freedom comes from the Constitution, not the Bible.
Jason Zachary
Jason has said a few times he believes in personal freedom and libery, my gut feeling is that he will push for laws that do the opposite. I just don't like Concord Baptist trying to push their version of Christianity down our throats this next legislative season in 2016.
voting precinct
I vote at a Baptist church. Let's be consistent. If it's unacceptable to be sworn into public office at a church, should we really be utilizing religious facilities to cast our votes?
No.
(in reply to Ed)
Boy Scouts, church league sports, charity events and other religious affiliated/oriented events and organizations should be there, but you shouldn't be voting there.
Zachary would at least be welcome at his church, where as various candidates with ideas antithetical to Baptist teachings would not at a Baptist church.
What if in a different universe, taking away the tax exempt status of religious institutions made it to a ballot. How would that go over at church?
Exactly. We should not be
(in reply to Average Guy)
Exactly. We should not be voting at churches.
Doesn't pass the smell test
Agreed. At some point maybe we don't keep investing in the battle, but somebody needs to speak up and it costs very little to do so. We're most probably in the minority, but can claim being right on the merits.
Our polling location used to
Our polling location used to be in a church. A guy down the street had just moved here from Minnesota or some place up there. He said he never imagined he'd be standing in a church in the Bible Belt voting for liquor by the drink.
I vote in a public school now, but
with everything headed toward privatization, I figure it's only a matter of time before they'll start charging us to vote.
I believe the election
I believe the election commission has been encouraged to find polling places that are not schools due to security and parking concerns. I think that's impractical in terms of cost. It shouldn't be that hard simply to not have class, or only have in-service on Election Day. There aren't that many of 'em.
Don't know who's doing the encouraging,
(in reply to Bbeanster)
but I'd hope it isn't anybody or any group that draws its funding through the democratic process.