You know, I initially wrote this post to bitch about the fact that Knoxviews isn't on the the blogroll over at Volunteer Voters, the political weblog and news aggregator run by News 2 in Nashville. It looks like the dude writing it, A.C. Kleinfelter, has a bit of hookup with some folks involved in the swing of things in TN politics.
However, reading down the page, I notice that Kleinfelter is the only blogger whose posts show up on the front page; comments are published, but in teeny, tiny type; and going to the 'About' page reveals the information that Kleinfelter was, until recently, proprietor of a blog called 'Hard Right.'
So. News 2 has revealed its true colors: apparently that station has decided it best serves its community by hiring not only noxious bloviator Steve Gill, but now some hack right-wing blogger.
This, frankly, pisses me off. Guess I'm off to write some more letters to Young Broadcasting, WKRN's owner (invest@youngbroadcasting.com; Mike Sechrist is WKRN's general manager). However, I'm thinking that probably we should pursue getting ourselves onto their blogroll, in order to provide the progressive POV they claim they're also representing over there but which is painfully not in evidence.
I'm just wondering if somehow our XML feed isn't meeting their criteria. Here's what they claim we need:
*The blog originates in Tennessee and is primarily political in nature
*An RSS or RDF xml feed is available,
*The items in the feed have a date for each item, and
*Entries in the aggregator appear at the time they are stamped from its RSS feed. This is to prevent post-dated entries from dominating the top of the aggregator display. In other words, if you write an entry at 9am but the time-stamp on your feed says 4pm, it won't show up in our aggregator until 4pm. Please check your software to make sure the time-stamps are Central Time.
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First, it's Kleinheider .
First, it's Kleinheider . Second, they also have a lefty blogger at nashvilleistalking.com. Kleinheider is a lot of things but hack isn't one of them.
not sure about the blogroll thing but maybe r. neal pissed him off over the whole stealing a photo thing.
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SayUncle
Can't we all just get a long gun?
Here's what I just wrote
to some flying-monkey minion of Kleinheider's over at your vaunted NashvilleisTalking.com:
A bit more info for Brittney, who I'm sure is reading this: You'll notice the front page of KnoxViews provides a space for any blogger who'd like to post a diary. It's a way of keeping things, you know, egalitarian. Not that right-wingers like Kleinheider would know anything about such a concept.
Eleanor, Are You By Any Chance A Telemarketer?
There are a few reasons I haven't put Knox Views in the aggregator.
One, Knoxville is not in WKRN's viewing area. Two, KnoxViews is not exclusively political. Neither of these by themselves would be necessarily disqualifying but considering those two reasons in conjunction with the numerous amount of posts that could (unnecessarily)clog the aggregator I elected not to include it.
That and I have never received an explicit request to include it.
Either way, I do read and have linked quite a few times. So there ya go.
Fair enough
However, as I just posted to your buddy Brittney over at NashvilleisTalking (guess I'm going to have to go back over there so I can cut and paste, even though I've sworn off News 2 till they fire Steve Gill...sigh)
Frankly, Mr. Kleinheider, I don't plan to read your weblog because I'm not interested in the right-wing POV on most issues. No disrespect to you personally. Of course you have every right to link to whomever you like, but I think WKRN should have you mention there are other weblogs available that are hosted by its site if it hopes to avoid stirring up a few folks who are already mightily pissed off over the Steve Gill thing.
Personally, I'm not convinced WKRN gives a flip. It wouldn't have hired Gill if it did. I just think it's pretty hilarious this Brittney person claims to be representing some political designation that's not-"Hard Right" - yet she's all over my ass for being pissed off that it looks for all the world like you are the sole WKRN blogger and you make no pretense about your rightward-leaning sympathies. I'd think she'd have bigger fish to fry, like the wholesale corruption and cynicism that's running rampant in the Tennessee GOP these days.
I see AC has already
I see AC has already commented. I assumed he was still testy about the photo dispute. I had his site on the blogroll for a while, even after the dispute, but took it off after a while because a) it's too right-wing, and b) he chose for whatever reason (previously unknown to me) not to include KnoxViews on his blogroll (reasons which he has now stated).*
But looking at his list, it does seem a bit arbitrary. There are at least a couple of blogs, including Say Uncle and Les Jones that aren't all politics all the time and aren't in Nashville.
But anyway, I'm more than willing to declare détente and add Volunteer Voters if AC will reciprocate.
(Actually he could add it himself, and actually any registered user could as well using the 'create local link' option. Please don't abuse this!)
In related news, the Jocks and the West Side Headbangers will meet behind the rec hall at 3:30 to settle some other scores. The Chess Club will referee...
*EDIT: Oh, I just remembered another reason. There was a post by A.C. that I found really offensive regarding gay rights.
"Actually he could add it
"Actually he could add it himself, and actually any registered user could as well using the 'create local link' option."
I did, but someone took it down.
huh?
huh?
Making Stuff Up Now
Wow. You have a really hard time with the reading comprehension.
"I just think it's pretty hilarious this Brittney person claims to be representing some political designation that's not-"Hard Right" - yet she's all over my ass for being pissed off that it looks for all the world like you are the sole WKRN blogger and you make no pretense about your rightward-leaning sympathies."
Brittney never claimed that.
Eleanor, Brittney was on
Eleanor, Brittney was on WKRN first. Go to WKRN's main site, and click on "Blogs." You'll see several. Most are blogs operated by other station personnel, but Nashville is Talking and Volunteer Voters are the two run by full-time bloggers.
WKRN's management has done Nashville and the TN blogosphere a great service by hiring these two excellent bloggers. One keeps up with Nashville-y stuff (not typically political, but can include such) and is a lefty; the other mainly follows state politics and is a righty.
Oh, and Kleinheider has aggregated me, and I am more left than right. He also regularly reads and links to S-town Mike, Sean Braisted, and a host of other liberal bloggers, in addition to Hobbs and the rest.
Oh, and for teeny, tiny type: use Firefox (free download) and set your desired browser font size by keying Ctrl/Cmd and the '+' sign.
Hope this info helps.
OK, then, help me out here, sweetheart
What are you so bent out of shape about? As a "lefty," I'd think you'd be happy as hell people would be furious over WKRN hiring Steve Gill, and threatening to write letters to management complaining about their lurch to the right. But then, it seems they're the ones signing your paycheck, and that must be why you're so hell-bent on defending them.
Are you disputing what I'm saying? That VolunteerVoters.com is full of links to WKRN; that it's hosted on their server; that it mentions you - or any other WKRN blogs - not at all; and that it'd be easy for anyone stumbling on it using Google to assume Mr. Kleinheider is their sole blogger?
You know, this'd be laughable if it weren't so pathetic. Go ahead, call yourself a "lefty" and defend Steve Gill and his Republican apologists. Let him make fun of progressive and liberal ideas, endorse all kinds of wrongheaded and corrupt policies, get people to believe his BS, and then scratch your head and wonder for the life of you why Democrats in this state can't get anybody elected. Here's a clue: it's because of people like you.
"I'd think you'd be happy as
"I'd think you'd be happy as hell people would be furious over WKRN hiring Steve Gill"
Or, you know, she encourages the free flow of ideas, even ones she doesn't agree with.
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SayUncle
Can't we all just get a long gun?
Strawmen Everywhere!
1) "Go ahead, call yourself a "lefty" and defend Steve Gill."
I'm not defending Steve Gill. Never have, never will. You are still making stuff up.
2) "Are you disputing what I'm saying? That VolunteerVoters.com is full of links to WKRN; that it's hosted on their server; that it mentions you - or any other WKRN blogs - not at all; and that it'd be easy for anyone stumbling on it using Google to assume Mr. Kleinheider is their sole blogger?"
Yes, I am disputing what you are saying. Because Kleinheider not only mentions, but links to me twice on the front page. Once again, reading is fundamental.
3) "What are you so bent out of shape about?"
You called my colleague a hack without knowing anything about what his job was or what the site's aim is. Your ignorance is not his fault, nor WKRN's. No one else seems to have trouble figuring it out.
4) "scratch your head and wonder for the life of you why Democrats in this state can't get anybody elected. Here's a clue: it's because of people like you."
I'm afraid it's reactionary, quick to judge people like you who can't be bothered to reach across partisan lines for any sort of mid-ground that are causing us to lose elections. You proved that with your "I couldn't be bothered to spell his name right because he is a right winger" response.
You go ahead and write those letters, girlfriend. But you should know my boss is a Republican. He spells his name S-E-C-H-R-I-S-T.
So you think it's just fine
So you think it's just fine to accept pay from an organization who hired as its chief political commentator, a guy who said Democrats are aligned with terrorists on CNN on July 19:
(link...)
If that's not 'defending,' I'm not sure what is.
OK, I'll grant you Kleinheider might have linked to you a couple times in transitory posts on his front page. However, there is not one word about you or any other WKRN blogs on his 'About' page. You know? Where most people would go to find out information about a weblog? And yet again, I'M the one with comprehension trouble. Hoo boy.
Does WKRN host your weblog on its server? I'm not going to go back over there to check, but are there any pages that have URLS like "NewsChannel2WKRN.com," or the like? I notice you've completely glossed right over that one, even though most people who might be the type to - you know, read weblogs - might think that would be important in that it's a clue to who owns or runs the website.
Maybe you ought to try reading this again: I called your colleague a hack because he's an extreme partisan, and admittedly so. Have you not ever heard the term 'political hack?' I have difficulty believing you're calling yourself a professional political/current events blogger, and yet you're so disturbed by such a characterization. Heck, I've had days where if someone called me a hack I'd take it as a compliment. I've been called much worse, personally.
Furthermore, you can call yourself one of those dove-hugging, peace-loving conciliatory types, but I stand by what I said: You can't both take money from an organization that gives a paycheck to a guy who has said what Gill has and call yourself a progressive. I suppose you think it's just fine to buy Ann Coulter books, and listen to Rush Limbaugh, and keep your television tuned to Fox News, and hey! Maybe even vote for a few Republicans too!
I can think of a few words for a person like that, but "lefty" isn't one of them.
I'm afraid it's reactionary,
Ah, the supposed value of bipartisanship. Here's the undiluted GOP view on that:
"We are trying to change the tones in the state capitals -- and turn them toward bitter nastiness and partisanship. Bipartisanship is another name for date rape."
--Grover Norquist, quoted in The Nation.
(In case you didn't know, he wasn't talking about Democrats slipping roofies into the drinks.)
Me, I don't get the big buzz of the "community service" being offered here by paid bloggers (nor by local news outlets hiring avowed conservative ... well, hm... since "hack" was considered out of line, let's just use "shill" since it rhymes with "Gill") that you couldn't get elsewhere.
And for what it's worth, it's not the fact that Democrats don't cross party lines all of the time, because they do. I challenge Brittney or anyone else to demonstrate where John Tanner, Harold Ford, Bart Gordon, Lincoln Davis, or Jim Cooper are party-line fire-breathing lib'ruls. Or, for that matter, Phil Bredesen, Jimmy Naifeh, Mayor Purcell, and on down the line. This "non-compromising liberal" just doesn't exist. That creature has its genesis in a right-wing meme that self-loathing liberals use to excuse their capitulation on important issues, defining their own shortcomings by their opponents' coordinated slander.
Democrats lose elections (especially locally) because they haven't been well organized, they aren't effectively raising money, and because we are not effective in demonstrating how effective we are in defending our policies and agenda. It's not because they (D's) don't reach out to some phantom middle. And that middle is some subject of debate, because when the operational "political center" is between the Blue Dog Coalition and the rightwing John McCain/Rick Santorum GOP establishment, then anything traditionally understood as "liberal" is pretty much excluded by definition. (And we have "liberals" to thank for the 40 hour workweek, keeping our kids out of the mines, employer sponsored healthcare, occupational safety, clean water, habitat protection, an electrified rural America, Internet access to public schools... some of the stuff which this administration wants to gut under the banner of "compromise." Whatever.)
I just find it laughable that WKRN would hire out someone whose claim to fame is engineering the wholesale disruption of downtown Nashville for the sake of the tax revolt over his public loudspeaker (well, and having a failed political career, losing badly to Bart Gordon every time he tries running for that seat). His careers success has been in the role of GOP mouthpiece -- shill, if you will -- and it offends me that WKRN thinks that "balanced coverage" should be judged by Fox News standards. IOKIYAR. You can be as angry and as foaming as you want to be, and no one will bat an eye.
Can't speak much about Kleinheider -- pretty much all I knew was limited to that fracas over copyright (where he was clearly in the wrong). But I'll have to check out his "Hard Right" cred, now that I know.
Congrats, WKRN. At these lengths, no one will ever suspect that you have a liberal bias. "Mission accomplished."
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"winkin' at my peers," quotin' Thurston.
P.S. I'm pretty sure our RSS
P.S. I'm pretty sure our RSS feed works. It appears on Nashville Is Talking OK. (At least today. It might be gone tomorrow!)
Not a good excuse
AC's excuse about KnoxViews not being in the viewing area is pretty flimsy considering two of Memphis's most conservative blogs are listed (fishkite and halfbakered). I think there should be some balance here with the addition of KnoxViews!
Eleanor, I think you're a
Eleanor,
I think you're a little off-base here. And by "a little", I mean "a lot". If you want to combat the political right you may want to do it with actual ideas, rather than pursuing the exposure of an imagined vast right-wing blog-linking conspiracy in the media. Just a suggestion. Ideas are cool.
WKRN is doing more to break the mold of the mundane, centrist, dollar-seeking corporate media than any local news station I've ever seen (admittedly not a tremendously high bar), and all you can do is criticize them for hiring someone who dares hold a different opinion than you?
You also might want to spend a little time reading the blogs before you lambast them (and their authors). AC linked to my blog, and I have wet dreams about Marx. In fact, I'm having one now. But I digress. Also, rather ironically, I'd venture a guess that AC is not a particularly big fan of Steve Gill, either.
On the other hand, your diatribes are sortof amusing to me, at least, so if you choose to continue, I respect and support your decision.
--Chris
PS. Oh, in the interest of fair disclosure: I have been known to associate with libertarians and individual anarchists. I also made out with a Republican in college, and I've read a few books by right-wing idealogues in the interest of knowledge and refining my political stances. I hope this doesn't call into question my liberal credentials in any way.
Now, see, this here's the thing
I freely admit to not having looked at NashvilleisTalking, mostly because I was only vaguely aware it existed before someone here mentioned it and I clicked over to take a look - only to find this Brittney had already cut/pasted my post here onto the front page of her weblog and was commenting, I thought unfairly, about it. I also noticed a Channel 2 logo listed prominently on the first page. I wouldn't have read anything at all there, much less posted, except that I noticed my post on the front page and that Brittney was having a good laugh at my supposed ignorance.
I meant what I said about refusing to watch Channel 2 until Gill's gone. I think my views are being misrepresented here; I surely don't hate all Republicans, and in fact am friends with, patronize, and am related to a few. But Gill is not a mainstream Republican. He's called Democrats terrorists on national television; I personally heard him threaten to murder a person who removed trash from a construction site on his property, back when he was broadcasting on WWTN; he routinely says hateful, inflammatory and generally untrue things about Democrats and liberals in general; he's an apologist for the Bush Administration's morally bankrupt positions on everything from environmental protection to defense spending...in general, he's hardly the person I'd think a news organization would turn to in the interest of presenting truthful, unbiased material.
So I'm supposed to pretend I think that's just fine, when I think people like Steve Gill are actively contributing to the deterioration of society, and of our very democracy? When Channel 2 has hired him as its chief political commentator, without saying much about his radical-right past, and without hiring anyone to balance out his views? Heck, I didn't say I was going to go burn down Gill's house; I said I was going to write a letter to the owner of WKRN, which I have every right to do.
I think I've made a pretty good case for believing what I did about VolunteerVoters.com. I'll grant you I've not spent a lot of time reading either VolunteerVoters or NashvilleisTalking, because a.) I don't read Republican weblogs like VV, and don't understand quite why anyone whose politics are akin to Karl Marx is telling me I should do so; b.) my first exposure to NiT was its proprietor casting aspersions on my intentions and intelligence, and c.) I'm boycotting News 2. It doesn't surprise me, frankly, that WKRN's employees are taking me to task for doing so; however, I do think I have the right also to point out that they are hardly disinterested observers, since they're paid by News 2.
Now, I realize not everyone who reads KnoxViews is a progressive Democrat; consequently I don't expect many of y'all to agree with me, and I'm completely prepared to take my licks from those of you who don't go along with things I say here. I've been known to actively participate in conversations with those who hold opposing views, so obviously I don't agree with the characterization of myself as a reactionary who's uninterested in hearing the other sides of issues.
I'll grant you there's even some content on NashvilleisTalking I wouldn't hate, probably. But don't expect me to be hap-hap-happy its proprietor pretty well made fun of me in print without bothering to get my side of the story first (you know, she could have posted her comment here, instead of making it into a front-page post on her own weblog), and then was a real witch about it when I mentioned a few (justified, I think) reasons I posted what I did.
"I surely don't hate all
"I surely don't hate all Republicans, and in fact am friends with, patronize, and am related to a few"
I'm not a Republican, but Eleanor has patronized me several times.
Brittney and Chris: your jig is up. Eleanor has exposed you for the right-wing shills you are. You're worthless to Karl Rove now that you've been unmasked. Turn in your ID badges and weapons and collect your final paychecks. You're entitled to a free severance ham and one Haliburton travel mug. Dick Cheney thanks you for your service to the VRWC.
Hey, Les, why don't we just call each other assholes and get it over with. - Somebody on the old Southknoxbubba.net (if that was you, claim your quote and win net.fame!)
Yep, and you've never done anything
like make shopworn jokes about Vince Foster, Whitewater, or a stained blue dress, or repeat the same points over and over despite concrete evidence to the contrary, or link actual cartoons to prove your points, or any other tactic the casual reader might find somewhat tiresome.
So, if I take exception to something you say, it's "patronizing," but when you disagree with me, your POV is the moral, gospel truth. I can't claim I'm surprised you're of this opinion.
"Yep, and you've never done
"Yep, and you've never done anything like make shopworn jokes about Vince Foster, Whitewater, or a stained blue dress"
You're right. I haven't. So what's your point exactly?
"So, if I take exception to something you say, it's "patronizing," but when you disagree with me, your POV is the moral, gospel truth."
That's pretty funny from someone who said in the previous paragraph: "despite concrete evidence to the contrary." Right, because everything you say is the plain, factual truth, and everything I say is opinion, and you rule and I drool, and every other debating tactic you learned from reading Don't Talk While I'm Interrupting without realizing it was satire.
Hey, Les, why don't we just call each other assholes and get it over with. - Somebody on the old Southknoxbubba.net (if that was you, claim your quote and win net.fame!)
Now, chris, we can't let
Now, chris, we can't let facts, tolerance, and reading comprehension get it in the way of speaking truth to power. I mean, someone has to stand up to Chimpy McHitlerburton's vast right wing conspiracy! For the children.
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SayUncle
Can't we all just get a long gun?
Another disinterested observer!
Whose blog is prominently linked on Kleinheider's site. I'm sure you have no interest at all in promoting your own website or POV on TN current events, Unc.
Whose blog is prominently
Did I ever state i was disinterested? But, there you go, making stuff up again. Lots of blogs link to me, from the left and the right and the middle. Say, this one links to me too.
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SayUncle
Can't we all just get a long gun?
How is it making stuff up to
How is it making stuff up to point out you might have some reason to try to discredit me? Apparently you've got some problem with something I said, but instead of coming out and saying what it is, you're making snarky remarks.
I suspect it's my characterization of you as a right-winger. Sorry, I hadn't realized you were so touchy about it, but for the last few years you've written all sorts of material defending various free-market, pro-war points of view, so I must've thought such a description was fair game.
You know, if you want to have a real argument about this, I'm up for it. But snarky remarks just make you look like a coward, frankly.
I have zero reason to
I have zero reason to discredit you. You said I was not a disinterested person and implied I was motivated to promote myself. And that's not the case. Pointing out that you're full of poo is not what i'd call promoting myself.
I have several problems with many things you've said and I've been clear about what those problems are (it's kleinheider not kleinfelter, he's not a hack, i'm not a right winger - per se, WKRN is not an arm of Chimpy McHitlerburton's vast right wing conspiracy). You never address that, you change it to imply that i'm clearly motivated by links or promotion (which, i'm not) to discredit me. Pot, kettle.
Yes, if i'm not 'one of you' then i must be 'one of them.'
I don't think you are or you would have done so by now.
Well, let's see. I addressed your claims and you said nothing about that. When I broke out the snark, you rubbed two brain cells together to respond.
Coward? What am I afraid of?
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SayUncle
Can't we all just get a long gun?
huh?
" Sorry, I hadn't realized you were so touchy about it, but for the last few years you've written all sorts of material defending various free-market, pro-war points of view, so I must've thought such a description was fair game. "
Wait I thought she never heard of Nashville is Talking or Brittney before all this started. Now she's been reading her for years?
I think she was talking to
I think she was talking to Say Uncle.
I mean, someone has to stand
I mean, someone has to stand up to Chimpy McHitlerburton's vast right wing conspiracy! For the children.
The "for the children" line made me laugh and spit up a little. Just saying.
Eleanor. I wouldn't bother
Eleanor. I wouldn't bother arguing with SU or Les on this topic. Sometimes they are just in it for the fun of argument.
Yeah, I know, Biz. The sad
Yeah, I know, Biz. The sad truth is that I am too, sometimes. ;) I will say this for Les and Unc: their positions are pretty consistent, and sometimes I do actually learn something from one of 'em.
Whoops! There I go patronizing Les again...must've been something I ate...;)
P.S. By my count, 27 out of
P.S. By my count, 27 out of 30 posts or so on the front page today are "political in nature." Perhaps the "problem" (such as it is) is that they aren't of the right political persuasion.
Just so you know,
Just so you know, Kleinheider includes Tennessee Guerilla Women, and other leftists, in his aggregator. He also regularly links to posts from my blog which are very frequently critical of Bush, Rumsfeld, etc.
Also, I don't think anybody has pointed out that Britteny Gilbert, Kleinheider's blog sister does include Knoxviews in its aggregator.
P.S. Anybody who spends two minutes reading Kleinheider's blog knows that the notion that he is some sort of Bush-worshipping, Republican hack is idiotic.
That's true. He also
That's true. He also frequently links here. All of which makes his explanation sort of odd. Not that I'm lobbying to get on any right-wing blogrolls, or any blogrolls for that matter. If somebody links to us, great, thanks. If not, oh well. I think I'll survive the trauma.
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I'm sure you have no
I'm sure you have no interest at all in promoting your own website
Please. Have you seen Unc's sitemeter? He don't need my piddling links.
Dang, did I miss it?
All those non-computer tasks Tuesday means I arrive late
for this ... um ... discussion.
First, Brittney at NiT has allowed my humble self to
guest-blog on weekends more than once, and here I am
an East TN blogger who rips into the GOP-led neo-con
madness so much I'm waiting to picked up and detained.
I also noticed yesterday my complaint in a comment at
Volunteer Voters about the 125 year old rule
of the GOP in the 1st District was turned into a
separate post by A.C. - he titled it "Couldn't
Have Said It Better Myself." (And gosh, I've even
been critical of some of A.C.'s politcal views too.)
I also read and comment often here at KnoxViews which
like the other sites mentioned above I (usually) read
daily.
I think absolutely that KV should be a link on VV's
page, and vice versa, but I ain't about to tell either
proprietor how to run their sites.
As I wrote at NiT a little bit ago, I kinda feel like I've
arrived at the arena after the show and yet here I stand,
holding aloft my Bic Lighter and yelling "woooooooooo!"
I think absolutely that KV
I think absolutely that KV should be a link on VV's
page, and vice versa, but I ain't about to tell either
proprietor how to run their sites.
OK, owing to popular demand, I will start the healing now. The link has been added.
(Actually it was there for a while before, but got removed for a variety of reasons explained elsewhere. Clark Stooksbury said he added it originally, but I thought I had. It isn't my policy to delete links added by someone else, unless they are obviously spam or inappropriate according to the rules, so apologies to Clark.)
I note that my invitation for a reader or A.C. himself to add the link went unanswered. Do I have to do everything around here? :)