According to an article in the News-Sentinel about Tennessee's investment in solar, Rhonda Rice of the Knoxville Chamber has an interesting spin on Knox County's need for another industrial park at Midway Road.
She says that solar companies interested in research and development work with Oak Ridge National laboratory won't come here unless they can be located at the proposed Midway Road Industrial Park, which is located pretty much on the other end of the world from ORNL. Of course they won't be interested in all the vacant land that is going begging up and down the nearby Pellissippi Parkway that has been PLANNED FOR YEARS for this type of company, nor would they have any interest in the COMPLETELY EMPTY Hardin Valley Business Park, also located nearby.
Not to mention that is so GREEN of them, to go out into the countryside and develop 378 acres of PRIME FARMLAND into an industrial park. That's really going to grab those GREEN companies, eh?
From the article:
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Wacker Chemie’s planned location scarcely an hour south Interstate 75 from Knoxville made green business recruitment a higher priority for Innovation Valley Inc., the public-private partnership that includes six Knoxville-area economic development organizations.
“This really helps us to pinpoint how we are going to target industries,” says Rhonda Rice, executive vice president of the Knoxville Chamber, an Innovation Valley partner.
In addition to potential suppliers and customers of Wacker, solar-related companies interested in carrying out research and development work with Oak Ridge National Laboratory and the University of Tennessee are also being targeted. At a recent event at ORNL, Rice said she met the vice president of a Michigan-based solar firm.
After plying him with a business card, “‘He said, ‘I would love to hear from you,’” she says. “He said, ‘You have something no one else has. He’s exactly right.’”
Rice cites the development of the Midway Business Park in East Knox County, which has met with legal opposition from nearby residents, as central to the strategy.
“There’s some basic principals (in green business recruitment) that are the same, but how you go about it and who you target and what you’re offering is different,” she says. “We’re looking at buildings that have alternative heat sources and rooftops that are made of grass to help with runoff … (and) we want companies who are going to come in and who are willing to build a LEED-certified building. That’s very different.
“If I don’t have this business park, I can guarantee you, we won’t be in the radar of these site consultants when they’re looking for opportunities. We’ll never even know what we’ve missed.”
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Got sewer?
Who plans to build an industrial park on a giant block of limestone karst?
In planning isn't someone supposed to look at the cost benefit ratio?
In other words, after the taxpayers spend $30 to $50 million dollars to build the sewer plant and install the sewer pipes in the giant block of limestone karst, is there any financial return for the taxpayers in terms of taxes and fees from said industrial park? Will the project break even or lose tens of millions of dollars?
Well giant brains? You still haven't figured out how to pay for the sewers. You don't have an industrial park until you do.
Even junior high school students can understand this. So why do the giant brains have such difficulty? Perhaps politics is the problem?
This has now transcended from tragedy to comedy. The desperation to save this failed project is so great they have gone Al Gore. The inconvenient truth is there is no break even for this project. It is just the wrong location. By the way, it is on the wrong end of the world compared to Oak Ridge. Try using a map.
Carry on.
Yes...
but has a geological assessment been done on the proposed area and what does it say?
If you had watched the final County Commission meeting where the project was approved you would know that a geological assessment was presented to Commission along with a 30 minute Power Point presentation they slept through.
Of course you can install sewer pipe in karst. You should line it to prevent sinkholes, but that makes it really expensive. Chipping limestone cost big money and time.
So to review, it's about the Benjamins. The money.
Just saying that it is a karst landscape isn't enough to preclude uses.
Why are there no big ass subdivisions out there? Because there is no sewer. Why is there no sewer? Because no one has enough money to put it in. Like most things, it is about the money.
From planning 101, you build anything if you have enough money. ROI is your friend.
Who were the real estate commissions paid to on these deals?
Look at the closing statements, see who got real estate commisisons, finders fees, option fees, etc. and you'll know all you need to know about the midway industrial park fiasco.
Roane County announced a huge coup in landing a new Crete Carrier trucking terminal in their industrial part, wonder why the Midway facility didn't get a sniff and certainly didn't compete for the location?
Let's call it what it is, our superchamber is routinely outrun, outfoxed, and out hustled by business recruiters in Roane County, Anderson County, Blount County, and we get our head kicked in by Hamblen County and Greene County.
Rice and Edwards can spin it any way they want to, but they can't land a single business in Knox County which employs more than 50 people and pays them more than strip mall retail wages. Are they in over their heads at solid six figure salaries? The recruiters in the adjacent counties don't make near the money our superchamber throws around, what gives?
To be fair...
It was MPC that picked the site. The Chamber had to defend a poor pick. They do not have the luxury of saying no.
It is a poor location compared to Roane County.
Look at the closing statements, see who got real estate commissions, finders fees, option fees, etc. and you'll know all you need to know about the midway industrial park fiasco.
Oh snap, that is what this is about.
that is what this is
It's not just the money, it's getting a new sewer plant on the French Broad River to open up thousands of acres for development.
At least one Knoxville developer is up front about it on his web site -
From Victor Jernigan's web site:
Nail on head...
It's not just the money, it's getting a new sewer plant on the French Broad River to open up thousands of acres for development.
Absolutely. And that sewer plant could push Knox County into dangerous debt levels. How do we get those we have elected to use ROI (return on investment) as a condition on whether to approve a project? Governments can go into default. Ask the people in Ohio. Knox County debt has doubled in six years. Annual interest on that debt is 12 percent of the budget.
We cannot make the mistakes made in Ohio and other states who believed "if you build it they will come".
MPC is a part of the problem. County Commission is a big part of the problem. Good development brings money in, dumb development just fails.
So what do we do?
It's not just the money,
It's not just the money, it's getting a new sewer plant on the French Broad River to open up thousands of acres for development.
Ding. Ding. Ding.
I am just worried that the
I am just worried that the karst argument is a non-starter.
It is. Like you said earlier, all of the valley is karst to some extent. There are even sinkholes with open throats below the field at Neyland Stadium. they plugged and chugged on.
Karst geology will increase the cost, mostly because you will encounter bedrock pinnacles to either blast or chip through. A lot of them will be "unexpected", at least in the eyes of the contractor, for which contractors love to charge a premium.
But the Butterfly spoketh...
Karst geology will increase the cost, mostly because you will encounter bedrock pinnacles to either blast or chip through. A lot of them will be "unexpected", at least in the eyes of the contractor, for which contractors love to charge a premium.
This from day one has been a simple return on investment calculation. The kind of thing that County Commission is completely totally clueless about.
"Who were the real estate
"Who were the real estate commissions paid to on these deals?"
From the Halls Shopper by way of the Midway citizen group web site
To see this article and others regarding Midway check the web site....
(link...)
I think there should be a public listing of "options."
Anyone remember when BFI
Anyone remember when BFI tried to put a dump in the Carter area. The people won that lawsuit! I hate that the TVA power lines that will cross my property for the Midway project.
Problems more systematic
I think the Midway debacle reflects more systematic problems with growth management in Knox Co.
My very first post on Knoxviews was on this exact subject.
(link...)
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The "green" version of that
The "green" version of that park has on-site wastewater management, so it wouldn't be the sprawl engine developers want. Either TDC has given up on bringing sewer with the park and is merely looking for some return on the land they already bought or there is a bait-and-switch behind the sales pitch.
The land there has a limited capacity for absorbing water. The geological study may indicate how much wastewater can be processed on site. A tenant with high water usage could overwhelm the on-site system and force installation of sewer pipes.
I would be more comfortable with TDC's intentions if they included the capacity of the on-site system in promotional materials and made it clear that water-intensive manufacturers would not fit at Midway. The absurdities Lisa already pointed out suggest that considerable skepticism is warranted.
Lisa, Whatever happened to
Lisa,
Whatever happened to that lawsuit? Was an appeal filed? Is it still hanging out there?
Appeal
We won the lawsuit. Knox County did not file an appeal and the time to appeal has passed. If they try to persist in rezoning the property again, there are two other parts to the lawsuit that we could advance if we need to, one of which is a sunshine law violation.
We are currently in the middle of the East Knox Sector plan update, where the Development Corporation has made it clear that they intend to try to influence the sector plan to be changed so that their AG property could be rezoned industrial without violating the sector plan.
There has been record numbers of citizens turn out at all the sector plan meetings and the overwhelming consensus is that the community does NOT want an industrial park on that property. We all feel that East Knox County has already borne the burden of the majority of the industrial parks for Knox County and we refuse to add another one that we feel is not needed anyway.
And as far as I know, Commissioner Bud Armstrong stands with the people on this. It would be pretty difficult politically to be otherwise.
Nice work by the citizens of
Nice work by the citizens of East Knox County. Something to be proud of, doing the right thing and standing up for it.
Organizing for a Strong Cause
It's a lot easier to organize folks when their homes are threatened and they feel wronged. It was a strong community to begin with, and I think this has made them even stronger. The community has a strong agricultural component and has the largest and the best remaining farms in Knox County.
If you have never been to the Thorngrove/Midway community, I'd highly suggest a scenic drive out that way. Kodak Road has some of the best scenery in Knoxville in my opinion. Spend a little time at the wonderful Seven Islands Wildlife Refuge or paddle down the French Broad and you'll understand why these people are ready to fight.
On a positive note, I would like to point out that the Cruze family's dairy farm in that community, which is a wonderful success story for both farming in Knox County and great use of a land trust and conservation easement, has an article about their wonderful buttermilk that is coming out in the New York Times on Sunday (but you can preview it online here.) (Thanks to Connie Whitehead for the heads up on the story.)
Why in the world we don't embrace our rural, agricultural and scenic heritage instead of building more McMansions and fast food joints beats the hell out of me.
Thanks, Lisa, for bringing
Thanks, Lisa, for bringing up the rest of the story. Local government (anywhere) seems so incestuous and developer driven.
This is the same park that
This is the same park that was a HOT topic during the last election for 8th district county commission. Where does Bud Armstrong stand now? Better yet where are Leon Daugherty and Russ Huckaba standing?
Clean water
Dupicate.
Clean water
While I was very pleased to hear that the proposed Midway Industrial park is now better recognized for the ruse that it was and is, even now with the new “Green” Super Chamber spin, there is so much more to the issue. For many of us the challenge has always been the water and how to conserve, preserve and enhance the lower French Broad watershed for the future generations that will inherit it.
Let us not forget, we are just the current generation of stewards responsible for this critically important and irreplaceable life-sustaining resource.
The French Broad River has been the primary sustainer of human culture for this region for thousands of years. The sustainability of future generations will also depend on the French Broad. As it has been for thousands of years and hundreds of previous generations of people, their health and quality of life will be determined by the quality and quantity of the water that flows through French Broad River.
Please take the time to consider some of the issues addressed in this Frontline documentary on PBS called Poisoned Waters. (link...)