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Jul 27 2011
03:11 pm
By: Rachel
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Well, I guess I've opined a time or two already that I don't think much of it.
As for Joe's comment here...
...the 2010 Comptroller's audit of the Sevier County Clerk's office did say this, and it also said that Padgett had been paid a total of $407,534 over the five years prior, all of it "bypass(ing) the county's budgeting and purchasing processes (see pdf page 222)."
Also, the 2009 Comptroller's audit of the Sumner County Purchasing Department chided them for "not perform(ing) the purchasing functions...as provided in the private act since each general government department performs its own purchasing functions (pdf page 221)."
It appeared to me, then, that Padgett's clients in both these counties were the result of improperly bidded contracts (if they were bidded at all) and that he was improperly paid--definitely in Sevier and likely in Sumner--by both clients, too.
I'm speaking more here to ethics than to experience, I suppose, but I just have a distaste for this kind of approach to business in anyone running for public office.
Let the sun shine.
Well, what can you say. This
Well, what can you say. This Padgett candidacy is one of the strangest thing I have ever seen. This guy would has never showed any interest in any issue, never attended a neighborhood meeting, never voted in a city election. He waltzes into town and claims to be qualified, not for council, which would be a stretch, but for mayor. There is nothing there but this business. And there is nothing there to suggest any ability to lead and manage a city. He does not have many employees and does not have many clients. Hey,I am glad the guy is working on his business and hope he someday makes it work for him and his family. But mayor, now? oh wait. He has this wad of money and some talking points. I am looking to spend the next couple of months hearing about how Madeline is "anti business" and other such nonsense or that she wants to have striking firefighters. Would somebody who plans on actually voting for this guy explain how that would be anything but irresponsible.
Which also makes me wonder..
Which makes me really wonder about people who would write him $2000 to $4000 worth of checks apiece for such a long shot. What's going through those people's heads?
Which makes me really wonder
Which makes me really wonder about people who would write him $2000 to $4000 worth of checks apiece for such a long shot. What's going through those people's heads?
It's been my experience that many business folks prefer the known (even if they're not 100% happy with it; e.g., Rogero) to the total unknown (e.g., Padgett). The only hypothesis I can come up with is that they think they can control him.
This guy would has never
This guy would has never showed any interest in any issue, never attended a neighborhood meeting, never voted in a city election. He waltzes into town and claims to be qualified, not for council, which would be a stretch, but for mayor.
Well, you just make it so easy.
On the other hand, you have Mr. Burchett. He has tons of experience in public office, just the opposite of your description of Padgett. Look what the voters got so far. :)
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Really, I can't see that Padgett or Burchett either one bring Rogero's breadth of experience to the task.
Madeline has worked in the public sector (as both an employee and as an elected official), the private sector, and for a non-profit, all.
She also holds a masters degree specific to the job she seeks, namely one in urban studies (now referred to in the UT system as "public policy").
She also is fifteen or so years older than even the older of those two.
And this is one instance in which I don't think she'd mind my pointing that out :-)
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Thanks, Toby.
I made an inquiry of UT on my own behalf some years back, when I was considering either a second BS or a masters, and I could recall only that I learned the degree about which I wanted information no longer existed.
In any event, I find Madeline's academic background to be quite specific to the job she seeks.
Demise of Planning School at UT
I had pretty much a front row view of all of this and I don't think the College of Business played any role.
Nope. I got my degree just a
Nope. I got my degree just a few years before the roof fell in and when the dean of the College of Architecture (where some fool had moved the planning school) was already trying to kill it.
And not the current dean, let me add.
MPPA degree at UT
This is true. However it might be of interest to some that the MPA degree(Master's in Public Administration) in my Department (Political Science), is being replaced by a new degree - MPPA (Master's in Public Policy and Administration.) This will be offered through a partnership with the Baker Center.
From the Political Science Dept. website. (link...)
At the graduate level, the Department offers the M.A. and Ph.D. in Political Science as well as a Master's in Public Policy and Administration. The Ph.D. program offers primary fields in American government, international relations and comparative politics and cross-field concentrations in public policy, political econonmy and reseach methods.
The M.P.P.A. program is designed to prepare students for careers in public service. Beginning in the fall of 2012, the M.P.P.A. degree will be administered through a partnership with the Howard H. Baker, Jr. Center for Public Policy.
bizgrrl, you're talking govt
bizgrrl, you're talking govt experience wrt Burchett, not experience with the local community.
The point being made here is that Padgett has not been involved in ANY of the issues Knoxville has addressed over the last few years. He lists no civic or neighborhood experience on his resume. I don't think he even belongs to a neighborhood association.
You'd think somebody - especially if they lived in Knox County and were thinking about moving to the City to run for Mayor - would have prepared themselves by getting involved in these things.
Is Padgett a fake democrat?
Similar to the fake dems the R's were bankrolling in Wisconsin's recall elections to subvert the progressive dems in the primaries.
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Where'd you find it?!
Where'd you find it?! I
I reported the location here.
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It was a joke, Pam.
And I reported the location here on Tuesday, July 12 at 10:39 a.m.
No offense. You've been on
No offense. You've been on such a rant that I completely missed the joke.
Glad to know you know the location.
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No offense taken. But what you call a "rant," I just call a "close examination."
Here is a candidate running solely on his "business acumen," because, as others have pointed out, he lacks any record of public service or public involvement. Or voting in the city, even.
What can we gauge except the viability of this business he touts?
HOW can we gauge its viability except by "closely examining" the income it produces (which those prior years' tax returns shot up), the number of clients it serves (which Joe shoots up here), or maybe the manner in which he delivers his product and/or the quality of that product.
My comments above speak to the manner in which he delivers his product, which in those two settings appears to be "through the back door."
I have previously spoken to the quality of his primary product, namely his software to allow online payments of motor vehicle registration, to point out that in another Sevier County Clerk audit (for 2009, pdf page 240) comptrollers issued a finding specifically titled "The motor vehicle software did not have adequate controls."
That's not MY opinion, you understand, that's THEIR finding.
The business isn't profitable. It serves few clients. It appears--in these two cases, at least--to rely on avoiding real competition in the manner required by statute. And the quality of its primary product, this motor vehicle software, was called into question by this independent authority, the Tennessee Comptroller of the Treasury.
For the life of me, I can't see anything insidious in simply pointing out these things.
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I suppose that leaves us relying on Governor Bill Haslam, who now serves on UT's Board of Trustees, to communicate to his peers his oft-quoted opinion that "running a city isn't much like running a business," eh?
And possibly young Mr. Padgett will catch wind of it.
"running a city isn't much
Geoffrey West charted the growth of 22,000 corporations and found one thing in common: "They all start out looking like hockey sticks, they all bend over, and they all die just like you and me."
On the other hand, you can drop an atomic bomb on a city...
excerpt from a longer version here
On that note, and since we've spent so much time scrutinizing Mark Padgett's seemingly shallow business credentials, I'd like to recognize for a moment the courage it took this young Democrat to jump headfirst into 1) an innovative small business venture and 2) the big tent of Democratic politics.
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Ah, thanks for that clarification, Bill.
Maybe I learned about this new Masters in Public Policy and Administration more recently, then, at the Baker Center's site.
My son and I were reading there this past spring, to see if he might have any interest in the Center's high school internship program.
Anyway, sorry to have taken us off-topic on my original point, which was simply that Madeline is better prepared for the job of mayor by virtue of both her prior academic training and her continuing vocation.
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From Joe's article:
I'm just hoping any new jobs headed into town don't "look like" those few Padgett created...
I was thinking last night about his brand of "job creation" relative to that of former Mayor Victor Ashe's.
Back in the day, we weren't much happy with those low-paying call centers Victor brought to town in the name of "economic development," but if our choice is between Padgett's brand of "job creation," namely project-oriented contract labor, and Ashe's, I'll take the latter.
At least Ashe's new jobs were permanent in nature, offered employee insurance and benefits, paid into our Social Security accounts, and afforded us the cushion of unemployment benefits, should the work dry up!
From the MP column: Padgett
From the MP column:
So, if I understand correctly, Padgett's business has a different primary objective than making a profit. The questions then would be "what is(are) the primary objective(s)? What are the successes of which Padgett speaks? Would he bring these arbitrary definitions of success to the mayor's office?
Perhaps as Joe S intimates, a bit more seasoning and experience would be appropriate.
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Weeell, I know some of you--maybe all of you--think I've beat up on the kid unmercifully, but I just don't see his political or professional style either one as "courageous."
To me, it just looks "overly confident" at best, or "arrogant" at worst.
I mean, we have all questioned that he presumed to run for mayor before ever having tried to run for a council seat, right?
Along those same lines, I am questioning that he presumed to launch a software development company before ever having worked for one!
Given the age difference between us, it's not that difficult for me to look on Padgett's political and professional aspirations and reflect on them in terms of the counsel I would give my own kids in these matters.
I would--and do--teach them that for everything we hope to accomplish, there are certain "rites of passage" we have to move through, sequentially.
I'm speaking to this "apprenticeship" each of us has to serve in our youth, no matter our political or professional goals.
With no mean-spiritedness intended, I just don't get any sense that this kid was ever taught it.
And yeah, I'm put off by that.
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Let me try to fill in the math for that observation I just made:
I think KNS is now reporting Padgett's age as 33, but that they reported he was 32 at the time he threw his hat into the mayoral ring.
Counting backwards, he has been out of college no more than 10 or so years, or since around 2001.
I don't know how he spent the two or so years between college graduation and 2003.
In January of 2003, though, he got a politcal patronage job, surely with the help of his dad, within the Bredesen administration's Department of Safety.
He formed C. P. Liberty in September of 2004 and left the Department of Safety a month later.
By 2005, he was again seeking his dad's aid in securing that no-bid contract for online motor vehicle registration here in Knox County, ultimately to no avail.
He secured the no-bid contract in the Sevier County Clerk office, the only one he'll soon have left among Clerks, in 2006, per that reference the Comptroller makes to the number of years he was paid there.
Furthermore, it appears that Blake Bookstaff might have had more to do with his securing that one than did Padgett himself. Blake's dad, Jim, owns 28 properties in Sevier County and sits on the board of the local bank.
I don't know, either, how many of Padgett's clients were obtained "through the back door" with these no-bid contracts, but that I've already confirmed two of them were--Sevier and Sumner, it looks like--is unsettling to me, given how few clients he has total.
So I'm asking: Where is the chutzpah, the daring-do?
I see only two years in which this young man could have possibly--but not undoubtedly--stood on his own two feet.
And I see nearly a decade of his being propped up by his daddy and possibly a business associate of whom we yet have questions.
I realize he sports a "D" by his name, but I'm having some difficulty contrasting his life experiences to date from Lumpy Lambert's...
To Tamara's point (as I
To Tamara's point (as I understand it) if that son of a cobbler wants to brag about his chops as a cobbler, then he needs to have done something that establishes his skills independent of his father/grandfather. Using family ties and learning from family is reasonable and expected. However, it is not reasonable to "be born on 3rd base and claim you hit a triple." I will agree with Tamara that I have seen nothing of Padgett's achievements that is impressively independent. Perhaps that is what he hopes to accomplish by being elected mayor, to move out of the shadow of his father/grandfather/friends/friend's families.
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That was one point I tried to make, Cafkia.
The other point (that I think I failed to make with Toby) was that this young man's "achievements" rest almost exclusively on this decade that combined a political patronage job and some volume of no-bid contracts.
Irrespective of that "D" behind his name, since when did qualifications of that sort come to sit well with this crowd?
(Left, came back, and gotta go again. Later.)
Cobbling it together
I think the fundamental question in the son-of-a-son-of-a-cobbler analogy hinges on the whether or not he was also a dabbler. Many a movie plot has been made out of this idea, where the third generation cobbler spends his youth enjoying the family's success, then rolls in from his last frat keg party, takes over the business, acts like he knows more than the people who have worked there all their lives and introduces a new line of cheap shoes using the family brand name, but made in a sweatshop in China.
O.K., I'm getting carried away with the analogy. The point is, there's no harm in trying to build on your family's success in a given field, but that can't replace actual knowledge and experience. What makes someone suspect is when they use the advantage their surname gives them, but then also seemingly exaggerate their level of experience in a given area, offering that as a core credential. All that, while on the same CV making no mention of the family connections, suggesting instead that they have risen from obscurity using nothing but bootstraps and elbow grease. Sure everyone wants to make their own mark, and a candidate will try to offer their best angle, but there is a line that can be crossed where the spin seems pretty disingenuous.
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Maybe I should have bolded this observation, Toby:
He is 33 now. That's young, but also old enough to try to get some kind of work fairly, and by oneself.
Anyway, I've had my say and won't belabor the point.
Talk to you folks later.
"What makes someone suspect
"What makes someone suspect is when they use the advantage their surname gives them, but then also seemingly exaggerate their level of experience in a given area, offering that as a core credential"
As in Nancy Sinatra trying to sing.
Are you saying this isn't art?
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