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Jun 19 2010
12:37 pm

I can't quite figure out what to make of this convoluted front-page article about the Cityview condo project.

First of all, it's a good thing that Jim Clayton and one of the GOB usual suspects Raja Jubran got on board to bail out this sinking ship. And if I were looking for a condo, Cityview would likely be at the top of my short list. It's going to be sweet once it's finished, especially if any of the proposed South Waterfront development ever materializes.

That said, this is a puzzler: "The project is a centerpiece in the 750-acre South Waterfront..."

Actually, the snakebit Cityview project was in motion before the South Waterfront project materialized, and in fact broke ground about the same time as the SWF "visioning" kabuki was winding down and just as the city adopted a formal SWF development plan.

The city also gave the property it's own special TIF district separate from the SWF project (maybe before the SWF TIF district was established but I don't recall) and I believe it had to be exempted from the SWF form-based building codes because it doesn't conform.

The other unusual thing about the article is that it starts out with Mayor Bill Haslam praising the completion of "the first project in the South Waterfront development area to open," saying he hopes it is will be the catalyst for other projects.

On first read, it almost sounds like a puff piece for Mayor Haslam to, for some reason, take credit for a project that is two years behind schedule, significantly over budget, burdened with liens from subcontractors who weren't paid, the subject of a $23 million lawsuit, forced into foreclosure, sold at auction, and a sink for $2 million in city taxpayer funding - the fact that it wasn't a SWF project and was started by some guys-not-from-around-here notwithstanding.

But a more likely scenario is that The Mayor was asked to comment on something he'd rather not talk about as he's poised to take the Republican nomination for governor, and that was the best spin Tom Ingram could come up with on short notice.

You may recall that the city's five year plan for phase one called for 600 new waterfront residential units, 30,000 new sq. ft. of retail, restaurant, and entertainment space, a new waterfront park and greenway, and improvements to the highly dysfunctional Blount Ave./Chapman Highway and Sevier Ave./Gay Street intersections. Way back when, the South Waterfront project director was quoted in the New York Times as saying the the projections were conservative and that "We think the South Waterfront will exceed the study estimates."

The fact is, four years into the South Waterfront project not a single new residential, commercial, or public infrastructure project has broken ground (CityView does not count as noted previously) and not a single toxic industrial property has been relocated or rehabilitated. At least one developer has dropped out, a major regional hospital was abandoned and sits empty, and I believe Pilot even unloaded their nasty gas/beer/cig/lotto outlet on Sevier Ave.

As for predictions that the project would "exceed the study estimates," the phrase "wildly optimistic" comes to mind. Or as the cool kids say, "Fail."

In their defense, though, the intervening crash of the U.S. real estate market and the resulting economic crisis brought the project to a screeching halt. All bets are off, and any significant movement on the South Waterfront lies somewhere beyond the foreseeable horizon where it's somebody else's problem now.

But that didn't stop the city from taking over $1 million in state and federal funding for floating walkways and a pedestrian bridge over the river just last year. At least Cityview residents will be able to walk to U.T. football games.

OK, then.

michael kaplan's picture

architecturally, it looks

architecturally, it looks like a giant Motel 6. too bad the old glove factory couldn't have been recycled through adaptive reuse. there's certainly the talent/expertise in town to pull off something like that. in that regard, david dewhirst deserves praise for the fine work he and his team are doing on the daylight building. just walked by it today, and couldn't help but think how beautiful that corner would be if the old sprankle hadn't been sacrificed for a parking lot (that actually had six cars in it).

Rachel's picture

Of course no one could have

Of course no one could have anticipated the intervening crash of the U.S. real estate market and the resulting global economic tailspin.

I think everyone in south Knoxville is disappointed that the waterfront stuff hasn't moved more quickly. But everyone also understands that the economy is the reason. I don't know how the City is supposed to get banks to lend to developers.

But it's a 20 year plan, so we have time. When the economy turns around, I expect the pace to pick up.

R. Neal's picture

I don't know how the City is

I don't know how the City is supposed to get banks to lend to developers.

That was my point.

When the economy turns around, I expect the pace to pick up.

Hope so. I think housing is going to trail any economic recovery for the foreseeable future, though.

Rachel's picture

I think housing is going to

I think housing is going to trail any economic recovery for the foreseeable future, though.

I'm afraid you're right.

Sorry if I misunderstood the tone of your post. It kinda sounded like you were blaming the City.

R. Neal's picture

Changed that to be a little

Changed that to be a little clearer.

Rachel's picture

not a single toxic industrial

not a single toxic industrial property has been relocated or rehabilitated.

Dixie Barrel is in the process of being torn down, which has Old Sevier residents very, very, very happy.

Also, the City received a brownfields remediation grant from EPA. They've just about identified all the problem properties, and a commitee (disclaimer: the spouse is on the committee) is working on prioritizing them for more detailed study and remediation.

And oh yeah, the old "tank farm" next to my neighborhood was cleaned up in anticipation of a residential development.

So there IS some good, ground-laying work going on behind the scenes.

Hayduke's picture

Lots of people predicted the

Lots of people predicted the heck out of the crash of the real estate market and lending industry. That's the main reason I didn't get very excited about the waterfront plan knowing that it would take long enough to get off the ground that the hammer would have to come down before it really started. Next stage is where all that planning gets thrown out the window with unlimited variances for the next developer willing to put money into the area.

Rachel's picture

Next stage is where all that

Next stage is where all that planning gets thrown out the window with unlimited variances for the next developer willing to put money into the area.

It will be REALLY hard for that to happen, with so many eyes over here on that first project, expecting it to meet the code.

Before the development next to my neighborhood was put on hold due to the economy, the developer came in with an initial plan. The bad news is that the design was awful; the good news was that he got sent right back to the drawing board (good news also being that it wasn't just the City who held his feet to the fire; it was our neighborhood - we know what the code says).

Besides, developers have an incentive to meet the code. Do so, and the committee who reviews these things sends them straight to a building permit. Don't do it, and they have to do through the entire MPC/City Council process, which can take months.

bizgrrl's picture

I found the article

I found the article confusing. It did seem more like the advertorials in the real estate section. The picture isn't that appealing. I look forward to seeing some great landscaping.

Up Goose Creek's picture

No

I think everyone in south Knoxville is disappointed that the waterfront stuff hasn't moved more quickly.

This statement is not correct.

Rachel's picture

Ok, goose, I forgot you're

Ok, goose, I forgot you're happy about it. So I amend my statement: "most people in south Knoxville who I talk to are disappointed the waterfront hasn't moved more quickly."

That ok?

Up Goose Creek's picture

Clarification

You may well be correct that a simple majority wish things would move move quickly. You would be incorrect if you assume that I am the only person who is happy the pace has slowed down.

I hope you'll indulge me with a little historical comparison. 30-40 years ago the attitude of your city was that neighborhoods such as Fourth & Gill should be allowed to run down to be replaced with "higher and better use"*, in that case industrial. I think a lot of people around here are glad that vision didn't come to be.

* Please ask Ann Bennett or David Massey for verification, since I doubt you'll believe me.

Fast forward 25 -30 years and the city has a vision of high/medium density residential on the south waterfront but a recession gets in the way. So now we're seeng single family housing getting fixed up rather than being held for speculation. The difference is noticeable. Hooray for taking a step back and giving the neighborhoods a chance to flourish as they are.

I suspect you will laugh and laugh at the comparison of a modest neighborhood to one of grand Victorians. But I'd like to make a couple of points - 1). houses in the Southside Riverfront neighborhood are, as a whole, in a LOT better condition than those in Fourth & Gill in the 70s & early 80's. None of the crime issues to deal with either. 2) Yes, I realize comparing the housing stock is like comparing apples and oranges, or more accurately plums and melons. But small houses are coming back into fashion in the same way Victorians came into fashion in the 90's and lofts came into fashion in the 00s. Who knows how that trend will play out when it hits knoxville.

Rachel's picture

I don't know why the sarcasm.

I don't know why the sarcasm. I believe you and I'm not laughing at you.

I WILL point out that the South Waterfront Plan and code keeps both your neighborhood and Old Sevier around Phillips single family residential. There's room on the waterfront for all kinds of housing.

Update: It's been pointed out to be that the code does not make these neighborhood "single family." I apologize for the error.

The code, DOES however, make them low density residential.

The max lot size is 15,000 sq. ft. Building coverage is 30% max, so the largest building could be 4500 sq. ft. Building height max is 35' or 2.5 stories.

You could get duplexes or row houses out of that, but nothing very large in scale.

The code also says "Large-scale assemblages of residential properties or commercial uses are prohibited. Suggested building types include detached houses, cottages, duplex houses, attached townhouses, and row houses."

EconGal's picture

SouthKnox bill of goods

My recollection is that, with great fanfare, the City administration said that $1 BILLION (with a B) of new private investment would be made in this south Knoxville corridor over the subsequent ten years. This was after CityView condos was well underway.

That would be $100 million a year.

I think there has been close to zero (not $300 million) over the three plus years since that statement was made.

This ignores, of course, the expenses associated with mothballing the hospital.

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