Tue
Jul 10 2007
11:39 am

A couple of weeks ago there was an odd story about a possible civil rights violation regarding the new location of the Burlington Library.

Aside from the fact that I had no idea there was any such thing as the Federal Institute of Museum and Library Services, or that they could bring a civil rights action, I didn't understand how it could be a civil rights issue.

Then I looked at a map of the new location as compared to the old and proposed alternate location and I could see what they were talking about.

Today's front-page headline story sheds a little more light on the site selection. It seems the PBA was involved in selecting a site owned by a PBA board member and big time Ragsdale supporter.

I don't recall seeing anything in the paper about it until after the fact. A recent editorial decries the lack of public input, again, after the fact.

Carole Borges's picture

It's a beautiful library, but...

I did wonder why they put it so far down on the strip. It seemed kind of located in a no man's land.

conciliary's picture

PBA ... Quasi govenmental organization...hmmm

Friday's News Sentinel editorial has touched some raw nerves. Ultimately, PBA comes out ahead. I wonder what the percentage is that PBA charges the various departmental budgets and what do those departments get in return? So many questions? What is the return in money and power?

Hayduke's picture

If you're going to demand

If you're going to demand public input on site selection (what's next, a transparent process for contract bids?), what's the point of having a PBA in the first place? PBA was created to allow the City and County governments to operate outside the stifling demands and legal niceties of the public trust.

Would you have these gentlemen renege on their handshake deals? Would you put electrostatic filters in their smoke-filled rooms? A little more respect for the sanctity of our quasi-governmental organizations please.

StaceyDiamond's picture

library

Putting it in the Five Points area would have made more sense, even if it was by some school libraries. Adults who did not have cars could have used it.

Rachel's picture

There may well have been

There may well have been some issues with locating this library. Clearly the public process wasn't handled properly. And the PBA connection is suspicious.

Just to be devil's advocate, I will point out that it's only a few hundred feet from where it was before. It's not like they moved it to the heart of Holston Hills.

Also, I give the county some credit for resuing an abandoned strip mall rather than building a new building. I'd like to see more of that kind of thing.

I'd also be willing to bet that unless Commission comes up with more $$ for the library system pronto, some of the 17 branches will have to close. The system just isn't sustainable as is on the current budget. And when branches close, the likely targets will be those closest to the downtown library - Sequoyah, Murphy, South Knoxville, North Knoxville. A library at 5 Pts would probably have made that hit list. Burlington won't.

I don't have a dog in this fight, so don't jump on me for defending Ragsdale or something. Like I said, just playing devil's advocate.

"If we want to revitalize our towns and protect our countryside from sprawling development, we should renovate our older schools, not throw them away."
-- Save Our Land, Save Our Towns President Thomas Hylton

Hayduke's picture

I'm not convinced it's a bad

I'm not convinced it's a bad location either, just that the process stinks.

And you're right: at the current level of funding we have no business building new branches and really need to close some. The book budget has been cut from 1.8 million to 400k over over the last 5 years and illiterate rednecks on County Commission (a simple majority) aren't going to vote any more money there soon. Larry's all for trimming back so we can have a few books, but the Count won't allow it.

Rachel's picture

Stinky process

I'm not convinced it's a bad location either, just that the process stinks.

Yup.

"If we want to revitalize our towns and protect our countryside from sprawling development, we should renovate our older schools, not throw them away."
-- Save Our Land, Save Our Towns President Thomas Hylton

Bbeanster's picture

OK, I'll go ahead and say

OK, I'll go ahead and say it:
Locating a library next door to Walter P. Taylor Homes would not be a recipe for success. Plus, it really IS too close to Lawson McGhee. The Asheville Highway location is centrally located (there are lots of people in Spring Hill, Alice Bell, Holston Hills, etc, who use it, and it is an easy bus ride from Five Points.

StaceyDiamond's picture

county gov

Its interesting that the Sentinel is reporting on this 4 years after the fact. They have done well as of late on public affairs as far as Knox Co., but that's after years of neglect and just printing press releases, which they seem to still do as far as UT issues and presidential candidates.

Brian Hornback's picture

I agree with

what bbeanster just said. Oh. My. What to do? It is truly a first. I need to make sure that never happens again.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Me three

I agree with BOTH of you, Brian...except for that part about the "easy bus ride," Betty.

I suspect that folks who have to take a bus to work, to the grocery store, and likely to a laundromat aren't likely to hop on one too quickly to visit a library, and that's too bad.

I don't guess KCPL uses a bookmobile anywhere these days, huh? They ventured out into what was formerly a more rural Powell when I was a kid, and we (kids, especially) met them in throngs.

Bookmobiles would still be welcomed in lots of communities, I'll bet...

Bbeanster's picture

Bus ride beats walking.

Bus ride beats walking.

bizgrrl's picture

Wouldn't that bus ride

Wouldn't that bus ride require a transfer (Five Points to new library)? Unless I don't know the location of Five Points.

Much more fun to ride the bus to downtown, with a destination that includes the library and more.

CBT's picture

No good deed goes

No good deed goes unpunished. See library selection lawsuit.

Seems to me this is a good location and use of an existing building. The owner is a Ragsdale friend, golfing buddy. Hard to believe his connection was not known. But, that doesn't make it a wrong decision, just one which could have used a bit more transparency.

edens's picture

I'm with Betty on this one.

I'm with Betty on this one. Although Bizgirl is sort of right, if one takes the 90 A/B bus that runs down MLK, theres either a transfer or a hike for the last couple blocks. However, two bus lines do run right by the new branch (as opposed to one down MLK): the 31 line on Magnolia and 33, which runs down Bethel, Ben Hur and Wilson in the five points area - actually the more residential parts as opposed to #90's run down MLK. 33 also services the KCDC developments at McCalla and Harriet Tubman better than 90A/B.

#31, since it's a main line route, also runs more frequently and with longer hours (how late are the branch libraries open, anyway?)

I've never ridden #90, but based on my own experience on the #30 Washington Ave. bus, Five Points is probably less than ten minutes from Lawson McGhee via 90 A/B (the route's more direct since #30 detours up the hill with stops in Townview).

I'm also stunned...stunned...to see that Zimbabwe was the spokesman for the Five Points Village Library Committee...

Bbeanster's picture

yeah, it really wouldn't

yeah, it really wouldn't make much sense to take a bus ride to the Burlington branch (although it does boast the lovely Cynthia Finch Conference Room) when Lawson McGhee is closer and easier and has much more good stuff.

edens's picture

Btw, I believe the East

Btw, I believe the East Knoxville branch has migrated steadily eastwards over the years. There was a Carnegie Library on Vine circa 1910, a few years later circa 1925, a newer branch was built on Magnolia at the corner of Chestnut (building's still there and I suspect those two branches were segregated, btw). Later a branch was built in Burlington (on MLK, west of "downtown burlington," before being moved to Asheville Highway, east of "downtown" in a facility shared with a county health clinic - the library the current branch replaced.

Although, on second thought, was the building I'm thinking of as the first "burlington branch" originally a post office?

Brian Hornback's picture

bbeanster is

that a joke? "Cynthia Finch Conference Room" Obviously, I haven't visited this branch since I attended the ribbon cutting. That day I did not notice the name on the Conference Room. However, the ribbon cutting was during the election and we had a Presser with Senate candidate Corker and Senator Alexander at Holston Middle within an hour of the ribbon cuttting, so I was not able to stay long.

As a kid I visited the Burlington Branch library that was on McCalla (now MLK) and the Carter Branch library that was first in an old historic house next to the Carter Community pool and then the trailer on Asheville Highway. Great memories of a summer at the pool and the library.

And yes, Tamara I remember the Book Mobile and it would be good P.R. to have a couple today. Nearly every community has a branch. Even tough I would like to see a Bluegrass Branch and for the record I do not own any property in Bluegrass to sell for the location.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Access

Actually, Brian, the bookmobile notion crossed my mind as a way to improve access to libraries (especially if carrying so many branches is becoming prohibitive, as Rachel and Larry Frank have reported). It wasn't a thought to produce good PR, really...

Obviously, fuel costs would be a big consideration in any comparison with costs of operating branches, but I've never heard anyone suggest that such a comparison might be made. Just my stab in the dark, from someone who knows very little about library operations...

Brian Hornback's picture

I would not

want the Book Mobile implemented solely on the notion of Good PR either.

I think your suggestion (Book Mobile) is a good one and that it would be a good compliment to the current library system.

Fuel cost would not be a factor for me as I am sure we all could find a Knox County initative that is more costly than fuel.

Certainly the Book Mobile would be a good compliment to the library system, Friends of the Public Library and the Mayor's Read with Me program.

When I was a young one (years ago in Knox County) there was a RIF (Reading Is Fundamental) program that provided free books several times a year to each student. I am sure it was a federal funded program and now we have the Imagination Library.

However, I credit the Public library and Knox County school system for helping to create a love of reading that I still have today.

Rachel's picture

"If we want to revitalize

I love the bookmobile idea. But you're talking about adding $$ to a program that is already stretched well beyond it's mean. So... do you want Commission to vote for more funding? Or to cut something else?

"If we want to revitalize our towns and protect our countryside from sprawling development, we should renovate our older schools, not throw them away."
-- Save Our Land, Save Our Towns President Thomas Hylton

Mykhailo's picture

I love the bookmobile idea.

I love the bookmobile idea. But you're talking about adding $$ to a program that is already stretched well beyond it's mean. So... do you want Commission to vote for more funding? Or to cut something else?

Sequoyah library! Sequoyah library! ;)

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Funding/Sequoyah

Rachel: "So... do you want Commission to vote for more funding? Or to cut something else?"

Guess!

Mykhailo: "Sequoyah library! Sequoyah library!"

I'm tryin' to think of what branch is exceedingly close to Sequoyah...is it the Bee DeSelm branch, or whatever that one is called?

Last school year, when my teenaged (non-driving) daughter was running me all over Knox County to collect references for a research paper she had to write, it was Sequoyah that had the bulk of what she needed. Since the subject of her paper was a bit obscure (Holocaust denial?), I was impressed that the small Sequoyah branch had so much. That was my one and only visit there, tho...

Rachel's picture

I'm tryin' to think of what

I'm tryin' to think of what branch is exceedingly close to Sequoyah...is it the Bee DeSelm branch, or whatever that one is called?

The Bee DeSelm Branch (formerly known as West Knox branch) is at the intersection of Papermill & Kingston Pike. I suppose folks could argue about whether that is "exceedingly close" or not to Sequoyah.

"If we want to revitalize our towns and protect our countryside from sprawling development, we should renovate our older schools, not throw them away."
-- Save Our Land, Save Our Towns President Thomas Hylton

Mykhailo's picture

I suppose folks could argue

I suppose folks could argue about whether that is "exceedingly close" or not to Sequoyah

I live 4 blocks from the Sequoyah branch. Maybe I'm weird, but Bee DeSelm and Lawson McGee are both plenty close (10-15 minute drive), and I use them both regularly.

I'd be happy to keep it if lots of kids were using it on their own, riding their bikes there or coming by after school, but I'm there at least once a month, often more, and over the past couple of years, I've never seen bike one or child in there that wasn't with a parent. It wouldn't be much of a burden at all for those parents to just schlep the kids over to West Hills instead.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Valid concerns

Mykhailo: "Maybe I'm weird, but Bee DeSelm and Lawson McGee are both plenty close..."

Hmmm...that does seem the case. I hadn't thought about it before, but Bee DeSelm actually lives right down the street from the Sequoyah branch. I visited her there just once (with Indya, in fact). How odd that the Sequoyah branch wasn't renamed for her...

Closing either the South Knox or Murphy branch would be a travesty, I think. Many people using the Murphy branch at L. T. Ross likely don't have their own transportation.

Which brings us back, somewhat, to the original subject of this thread, namely creating access to libraries for people unable to hop in the car and drive across town. It's a valid concern (and I didn't mean to discount that with my off-topic contributions to this meandering conversation).

Mykhailo's picture

And when branches close, the

And when branches close, the likely targets will be those closest to the downtown library - Sequoyah, Murphy, South Knoxville, North Knoxville.

Even if if the county was wallowing in money and budget woes weren't an issue, the Sequoyah branch needs to be shut down. It's totally superfluous.

Brian Hornback's picture

Transfer

the grant dollars that are currently going to non profit's?

I will offer additional ideas with where to obtain the dollars. No new revenue through increased taxes. (wheel or property)

R. Neal's picture

Non-profits like Great

Non-profits like Great Schools?

bizgrrl's picture

I've never seen bike one or

I've never seen bike one or child in there that wasn't with a parent.

When we were house hunting I found Sequoyah Hills to not be very bike or pedestrian friendly except for the boulevard.

My bet is if they get rid of a library it will be the SoKno branch at Woodlawn. Not that I think they should be SoKno always seems like an orphan child left to fend for itself.

Rachel's picture

Eliminating branches

I suspect if branch libraries are eliminated, there will be some attempt made to do it in a fair fashion - like "all the branches within a certain distance of LML." So I see the most likely candidates as South Knox, but also Sequoyah, North Knox, and the Murphy branch in the L.T. Ross Building. Strictly my own opinions here.

As for bookmobiles, I have my doubts about how much they'd be utilized. I'd rather see additional $$$ go to the materials budget (that means books), which has been slashed from around $1.4M to around $300,000 in less than 5 years.

"If we want to revitalize our towns and protect our countryside from sprawling development, we should renovate our older schools, not throw them away."
-- Save Our Land, Save Our Towns President Thomas Hylton

Brian Hornback's picture

That is

a valid suggestion. How much would Book Mobile cost? Cut Great Schools $500,000.00 wouldn't hurt the program at all. Then maybe the Great Schools Board could start raising the funds they were supposed to be doing for the last 7 years.

By the way, on behalf of the Board I accepted the first $10,000.00 to go into the foundation. Dr. Mark McNaughton (sp?)gave the first $10,000.00. That foundation was consolidated into the entity Great Schools in 2004 and I made the motion to merge the two. However, the Great Schools administrator and Board have been reluctant in raising funds to continue the program. It is time for the Great Schools to come off the government roll and do what it is supposed to do.

As a Board member I supported the idea of hiring a grant writer. That has never been accomplished. It is government work after all. The government does not like a private sector business approach.

Indya's picture

KCS Grant Writer

Just for the record, the school board funded a grant-writing position for the first time in FY 06-07. The person hired is named Carol Wilson and apparently she's been effective. We expect to get a status report soon on what she's accomplished this first year.

A good grant writer can win grants that cover her salary several times over. I'd like to see the Great Schools Partnership fund initiatives primarily through private grants. It's valuable to have an incubator of new ideas, and if they work, we would try to incorporate them into the regular publicly-funded budget. Simultaneously we should constantly evaluate programs and stop doing those that aren't as effective.

Indya Kincannon

Brian Hornback's picture

Ms. Kincannon

Thanks for the clarification, I am pleased that the Board hired a grant writer. I obviously missed one item of news from the Board.

Thanks for your service.

Tess's picture

Community centers or churches

How about a book mobile from the public library bringing requests to a designated community center or church in the transportation challenged areas on a weekly basis?

That has happened in small Appalachian communities for years.

I'd rather my taxes paid for a bookmobile than lunches at Regas for our county workers.

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