Mon
Jul 16 2007
07:39 pm
By: airrn
Gee who could have predicted it. The current "surge" is not large enough so we have to consider and plan for an even larger "surge" if needed?
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Protective stupidity
From Barbara Tuchman's The March of Folly
Check this
Check this out...
'Bout friggin' time. Use the majority!
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Fillibuster
TPM points out for some reason they decided to call it everything but a fillibuster. Is this another example of the left leaning MSM?
mr. bush' war...
we know there were no wmd's, and no connection to 9/11, etc., etc.; so why did bush start the iraq war? is this some kind of mystery?
it seems that we who want the war to end, and soon, need to address this underlying, fundamental issue/question if we are to have credibility. otherwise, we are open to the criticism that we are just cut and runners.
everytime i raise this q on this and other websites someone half-heartedly ejaculates the throw-a-ways of "$" and "oil," but no one seems ever to come to grips with query.
bush lied to get the u.s. into the war; why did he lie? why did he get the u.s. into the war?
Why?
"bush lied to get the u.s. into the war; why did he lie? why did he get the u.s. into the war?"
(link...)
Clearer yet
Or, evidence that is clearer yet that a certain faction was pushing for this war, nearly four years before 9/11 and over five years before March, 2003: (link...)
Democrats and liberals love
Democrats and liberals love to throw around the 'lie' accusation, so much so that some people could believe it's true. Telling something you know is false is a lie. This has been debated ad nauseum (and I won't beat the dead dog, yet again), but Bush, Powell, European nations, etc., etc. all believed the intelligence was correct, i.e. Saddam had WMD's and would use them. Was Colin Powell a liar? Tony Blair? The Poles, Australians? There were contrary views, even back at the time of the start of the Iraq war. But, that's true on many issues. It doesn't make the person a liar.
In the end, the President put forward what he believed to be in the best interest of American security. Members of Congress had the same information. Congress voted for the war. Democrats now running for President voted for the war. They will spin, explain away their vote and supporters will now call Bush a liar. In point of fact, they were all wrong. I'm more interested in what we do about it now.
I call BS on this...
The CIA personally TOLD Bush and Cheney that Iraq had NO active WMD program. When Bush/Cheney/Rice/Rumsfeld/Powell, et al., repeated over and over before the UN and Congress and on TV and radio and in newspapers that the reason the U.S. had to go into Iraq was to get rid of WMD's, they were LYING.
To repeat these lies blindly as you do makes you what? Disingenuous? Intellectually dishonest? You tell me.
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LIes
Democrats and liberals love to throw around the 'lie' accusation, so much so that some people could believe it's true. Telling something you know is false is a lie.
Ya know, I resisted the "lie" label for a long, long time. As I said in another discussion, it's not a word I use lightly.
But it's clear that the Bush administration was, at the least, disengenous about what they told the American people pre-war. They cherry-picked the intelligence to justify what they already had decided to do.
And since then they've not only refused to admit it, but they've changed the rationale for the war so many times I've lost count. We're in Iraq because of WMDs? No wait, because Saddam was connected to 9/11 (that, BTW, really was a lie). No wait, it's to bring democracy to Iraq? No wait, it's to stop the violence and stabilize the country? No wait,....
If it's not lying, it sure ain't truth-telling either.
As for Congress, the Dems were too scared so soon after 9/11 to ask hard questions. They felt like they had to jump on the "patriotic" bandwagon. Shame on them.
P.S. Was Colin Powell a liar, you ask? If he really pressed the President as hard as he now says not to invade, and then went and gave that "we have to invade" presentation to the U.N......
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What she said
1. The motives of Bush, Cheney, and the neocons that drove the Bush's foreign policy (Perle, Kristol, Wolfowitz, Feith, et. al.) were clear long before 9/11 and had nothing to do with al Qaeda or bin Laden. See Tamara's link, but that's just the tip of the iceberg of evidence. An iceberg that was not even hidden from anyone. The neocons made no secret of any of this.
2. Bush and company had to use 9/11 and al Qaeda to sell the war in order for the public to accept it. That's easy and obvious to see.
3. You cannot hide from history. Bush and his administration knowingly used false and misleading information to scare the country into invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. And they have constantly changed the reasons for doing so ever since.
If that's not a lie, there is no such thing as a lie and there is no truth. Just BS.
P.S.
Just like Bush, you're being dishonest by what you omit. Lies can be of commission or omission. Lies do not require stating a falsehood outright (though Bush has done that too*). Lies can be through words that are misleading and deceptive--though arguably not inaccurate.
Maybe Bush has never flat out stated unequivocally that Sadam Hussein attacked us on 9/11. But he intentionally encouraged and fostered that notion as best he could, even after it was obvious that many people drew that conclusion. Duh! That's what helped him sell his war!
And many times Bush has said, and continues to say, we went to war in Iraq in self defense because "they" attacked us. Who is "they"? Do these Google results occur by accident? Coincidence from the most manipulative and secretive administration at least since Nixon? Well, it did help sell Bush's war. Again, duh!
* Here's an example of a Bush lie of commission (emphasis added):
That was after he'd OK'd warrantless wiretaps. So how is that not a lie?