Commission just passed HRPP 7-3-1. Voting no were McKenzie, Broyles, and Norman. Voting yes were everybody else except Wright, who had the true courage of his convictions and passed.
WHAT you say? Here's what happened. Instead of offering his changes as an amendment (which would need voting on first, followed by a vote on the plan as amended if the amendment passed), Briggs offered a substitute motion - the plan with the addition of his changes.
Substitute motions are voted on first. So, to signal their displeasure with the amendment, strong plan proponents voted no. Likewise, to signal they liked the amendment which watered down the plan, strong plan opponents voted yes.
The plan now goes to MPC. When it comes back, one assumes the plan proponents will try to amend it back (and fail) and then end up voting yes, while some Commissioners who voted yes today (Ownby, Anders, and Smith) will vote no on the final plan (Anders even said as much).
Mark Donaldson said the plan can be on Commission's December agenda, but from some comments I heard today, I expect they will delay till January.
I expect the final vote to be 8-3, but god knows; these guys are all over the place. I may shoot myself.
See what I mean about muddy?
To make things even muddier, Council is now faced with adopting the plan as it came out of their joint meetings with Commission (which would put the City out of step with the county), or the plan as Commission passed it today - with changes not discussed with Council. Council will NOT be pleased with being put in that box.
BTW, Briggs rewrote his changes - and may have made them worse, if I heard correctly. HRPP now explicitly states it is not part of the Knox County General Plan (somebody please tell me I did not hear that correctly). {UPDATE: It's part of the General Plan, it's just not an "official" part. Holy crap.] ALL our plans are part of the Knox County General Plan; I'm not even sure this is legal.
(If someone has a copy of Briggs' changes as actually passed, please post.)
P.S. I sure hope Donila is writing the KNS story on this one. Otherwise it will be as big a mess as the meeting was.
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Grasping confusion out of the
Grasping confusion out of the jaws of clarity.
I find Briggs frequently disappointing.
Those people suck. I'll let
Those people suck. I'll let it be muddy as to which people.
I'm writing it, but it's
I'm writing it, but it's still going to be a mess. Not to blame deadlines or space requirements, but that was one big cluster-F.
Essentially, they approved the Briggs' Plan. The same as they were expected to vote on with the added paragraph that at this point is still up to debate as to what it really means. Is it as innocuous as Briggs claims or is it the Trojan Horse that Tony Norman believes it to be?
I don't know. I think it just confuses things more personally. (And no matter what - it can still wind up and court.)
I'm writing it, but it's
I'm writing it, but it's still going to be a mess. Not to blame deadlines or space requirements, but that was one big cluster-F.
If there's a way to turn something fairly simple into one of those Commission will find it. I'm glad I don't have to write this thing for the local paper of record.
Can you post the entire text of the Briggs' amendment? I haven't seen it (nor has the general public); just heard him read it through and am not sure I heard correctly after the first sentence (which was innocuous enough).
And I know you don't cover the county, but I'd sure like to hear what Council has to say about this development (and not just the vice-mayor either).
I put the full text on my
I put the full text on my blog just now. I just tried to copy and paste it here, but the format was strange. If you can fix the format, feel free to paste it here. Our online folks have disappeared so the main website probably won't have it up.
Thanks. Is it as innocuous
Thanks.
Is it as innocuous as Briggs claims or is it the Trojan Horse that Tony Norman believes it to be?
Given that the Chamber claims it "cures" the MPC plan, I'd stake my $$ on Trojan Horse. OTOH, the Chamber has demonstrated a basic lack of understanding of land use processes before, so maybe they're just prettying up defeat.
UPDATE: just read the entire thing. Definitely Trojan Horse.
foot soldiers of time march on
The second paragraph only applies during the next few months, as Commission works through final approval of the plan. Once the hillside plan is formally adopted as an amendment, the hillside plan will become part of the general plan as all plan amendments do. I can live with that.
If the third paragraph is also conditional on approval of the plan once it returns from MPC, it's a reasonable clarification of process.
I can live with the Briggs amendment as long as the last paragraph is subject to the same "While..." clause as the second paragraph. I don't think the Briggs amendment serves a clear purpose, but I see no Trojan horse if the "while" clause means what it says.
Still, City Council should pass the plan clean.
What Does "While" Mean?
I guess I'm not interpreting the "while" qualifier the same way you are, Rikki. If I understand your comment correctly, you are saying that the "while" in this instance is used in the sense of a timeframe, or "during the duration" but I'm thinking they meant "although". I'm not explaining very well, but I think it was their intent to say that the new hillside plan's "advisory" status permanently alters/overrules sector plans and the general plan with regard to slope guidance.
I agree with Lisa. It would
I agree with Lisa. It would be fine if Rikki's interpretation was correct, but that's not the way I read that sentence. I'm pretty sure Lisa is right and that "while" in this case should be read as "although."
[And the very fact that informed citizens are arguing over what Commission MEANT when they passed something is a bad sign.]
There will be talking with several lawyers before this is over. One Council member has already asked Charles Swanson for an opinion, and I understand that some citizens may be meeting with Jarret.
I know you don't cover the
I know you don't cover the CITY, not the county. Geez, my brain isn't working today.
Briggs' amendment
This plan and the principals, objectives, policies and guidelines included herein are advisory in nature and constitute non-binding recommendations for consideration in connection with development of steeply sloped areas.
While this plan is being adopted as an amendment to the Knoxville-Knox County General Plan 2033, it is intended to provide background and supplemental information of an advisory nature and to serve as a guide to future MPC staff recommendations, but it not intended to form an official part of the General Plan which would be binding on future land use decisions by City Council, County Commission, MPC, the City or County Boards of Zoning Appeals pursuant to T.C.A 13-3-304.
Any comparable provisions of the Knoxville-Knox County General Plan 2033 or any Sector Plan which relate to hillside and ridgetop protection shall also be considered advisory consistent with this plan.
Ok, that first sentence is fine. The second - "not a part of the official general plan" - isn't. Anything in the general plan means that the legislative body can't pass ordinances contrary to the plan w/o amending the plan first. So this would mean that Commission can pass anything it wants w/o even referring to the objectives of the plan.
And I don't even know exactly what the third one does, but it sounds like they are amending sector plans w/o actually voting on them, and I don't see how that's legal.
If I were still on MPC, I know the first call I'd make would be to the MPC attorney.
third paragraph
i'm concerned that the third paragraph might be read to actually weaken whatever protections already exist in the general plan -- by demoting them to mere advisory status. I agree you need to wonder about the procedural legality of this.
in other land use news, the TN Court of Appeals last week ruled in favor of the folks who want to develop shopping center at norris freeway/maynardville pike/beaver creek/halls greenway. (link...) . Knox BZA and Chancery Court had nixed the development, but Court of Appeals said the nixes were invalidly based on mere speculation and opinion, whereas the developers presented factual evidence.
On a lighter note, my
On a lighter note, my favorite comments from the audience during the meeting:
One developer repeatedly telling Commission that if they didn't pass the amendment they would have been LYING to "us" all along. I'm not sure just how to take that.
One guy comparing the plan to Obamacare. (Had to happen.)
And the best of all - the guy yammering about our in-a-lien-able rights (pronounced as in "put a lien" on this property). He said it twice.
There seems no doubt that
There seems no doubt that Briggs' "while" was not used in the temporal sense. "Although" might have been too jarring, but that's what Briggs intended.
LVG
The saddest part
of this whole process has been a confirmation of the total lack of trust that citizens have in their representatives in postmodern times. In order to keep from getting screwed over (as we now EXPECT since we just naturally assume that our representatives will only cater to a sliver of the population - usually the wealthy elite), we are forced to follow their every single move, such as on this forum where we are parsing and re-parsing detailed last-minute amendments to determine the meaning of "while." And while we are wringing our hands over whether it was a Trojan Horse or not, they are busy considering some other way (yet unbeknownst to us) to appease this tiny group of people who truly believe that "the market dictates everything".
footprints in the sand
Briggs' clearly stated intent was to bring clarity, so we must assume he chose his words carefully and would have selected 'although' had he meant 'although.' Instead he chose the temporal 'while.' He did this to be clear that the second and third sentences have a duration, namely the period of time between now and the final vote to adopt this plan.
If we start changing his words for him to conform to our worst expectations, we are left with a statement that boils down to this: 'Although this plan is being adopted as an amendment to the general plan, it is not intended to be an amendment to the general plan.' That is utterly nonsensical and the polar opposite of his intended aim of clarity.
Taking him at his word, the only possible interpretation of his amendment is that he is merely clarifying the status of the plan as winds its way through the approval process. Obviously he is not intending to create an entirely new category of planning document that lives in some transitory world between the general plan and nowhere, or he would have said so while carefully stating his intent.
Furthermore, creating some sort of alternate universe for this one planning document is probably something the state legislature would have to do, not county commission. Likewise, using this plan as a vehicle to alter the legal status of the general and sector plans seems contradictory to state law. That means a likely lawsuit against the Commission, which Briggs surely does not want, as it would embarrass him and incur significant legal costs for the taxpayers. Neither Briggs nor the Chamber would be so crass as to slip a taxpayer-funded payday for a few elite attorneys into a public document.
We simply have no choice but to interpret the Briggs amendment as a temporary companion to the plan, ushering it through to its final approval.
We simply have no choice but
We simply have no choice but to interpret the Briggs amendment as a temporary companion to the plan, ushering it through to its final approval.
Rikki, pardon me, but bullshit.
Go ask Briggs what he meant. Go ask Garrett Wagley or Mike Edwards. Go ask Tom McAdams, who no doubt actually wrote the damn thing.
[UPDATE: I just spoke to Mark Donaldson and he reads that sentence the same way I do.]
Obviously he is not intending to create an entirely new category of planning document that lives in some transitory world between the general plan and nowhere,
That's EXACTLY what he intended. Or rather, the Chamber intended.