The DNC rules committee has stripped Fla of it's 210 delegates & is poised to do the same with Mich's 156 delegates.Thats 366 delegates that could end up in a hell of a credentials fight @ the '08 convention.

In '72,there was a credentials fight.The nut was,McGovern won the winner take all Ca primary & therefore had all of Ca delegates.The stop McGovern forces said no..the unit rule was in violation of the rules & Ca delegates should be seated proportional to the primary vote.

The first battle..whats a majority on the credentials fight?..is it the 1,509 it takes to nominate?...or 1,433 which is a majority less the challenged Ca delegates? The chair ruled 1,509.McGovern forces supported the chair because it made it HARDER for the stop McGovern forces to win.

The next battle was a SC challenge on seating more women in that delegation.If the votes for that challenge fell between 1,509 & 1,433,the so called "twilight zone"...then the stop McGovern folks could ask for a point of order & challenge the chairs... majority is 1,509 ruling.The McGovern forces worked AGAINST the seating of more women in SC..in order to keep the stop McGovern folks..from a point of order on the 1,509 majority.The SC vote did not fall into the twilight zone..McGovern won the winner take all Ca challenge & the nomination.

Looks to me we could have that same credentials battle in '08.
There are 4,360 delegates..a 2,180 majority.
But with 210 delegates from Fla & 156 from Mich..up in the air.
Democrats could be headed toward a credentials battle like we have never seen.

Time has a great story on this from '72..McGovern's Machine.

I can think of nothing more fitting than H The President for the rabid Hillary haters who put the war decider in power

That's a damn good point. Republicans still haven't shown any remorse for the damage they've caused this country. Sure, some sheepishly admit W might not be such a good PWez, but they just want to, you know, Move On and not dwell too much on the flagrant, criminal disgrace they supported and excused for so long.

If I'm willing to throw my Prez vote away on symbolic third-party votes (and I am), why not use it as a knife to the back of the Worst Americans? Your federal ballot is not worth the paper it's printed on anyway.

Your federal ballot is not worth the paper it's printed on anyway.

If you're following developments in the currency markets, it's worth even less by the day.

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I'm a guy in a Reagan mask -- and I'm running for President!

...elite conservatives are falling over themselves to embrace a new Queen Hillary, with an empire reaching across Mesopotamia,...

I'm sure. Don't you think that's a little bit of a stretch? Another view of Bush's posterior posterity.

I, too, have a big problem with one family occupying the WH for up to 28 years. And there are planty of Dems who wish there were other choices, or at least that this lot were more in step with what they/we want to hear.

I think Dems have the double fortune of a weaker field on the right, combined with the normal pendulum of change only accelerated by a failed Presidency. It will take some really effective swiftboating or some other major event to give the R's an advantage, IMO.

Speaking of that, I think one could make the case that the Bush family's other royal cousins, the Bin Ladens, might be willing to help out with that major event to keep Bush's misplaced "War on Terra" policies in place. That could boost the GOP while giving those policies renewed lease to rot our country away by neglect of other problems, bankrupting us, and extending the current heavy recruitment of islamist extremists. Just like Bush and OBL have thrived on each other, so could Rudy and OBL.

As for Hillary's pullback of rhetoric about troop removal, I don't think it's because of backchanneling as much as she has realized it's not logistically doable. We have too many resources and infrastructure in Iraq to abandon or remove them. All we can do for the next few years is redeploy, try and recruit UN peacekeeping, and broker regional agreements through real diplomacy.

I called the DNC monday..to ask what a majority would be at the national convention.Is it the majority as it now stands or the majority less Fla's 210 votes.

The DNC emailed back that the drop dead date for Fla to be in compliance with party rules per date of primary is Sat.

The Chair is working to find a solution.

The DNC e mailed & said if Fla is stripped of its delegates..those delegates will be null & therefore they will not be included in the total delegate count.If nothing changes the same is true for Mich.Hope something is worked out by tommorrow.