Shouldn't we be able to build a card check system that's secure and secret?

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It's clear the GOP opposition to a big 3 bailout has to do with unions and little else. They were eager enough to help out the high stakes financial industry gamblers but oppose helping out where it would mean preserving real jobs for real Americans. Meanwhile the financial industry continues to behave badly and to shed thousands of jobs, the jobs of taxpayers who bailed their sorry asses out. Perhaps some wingnut can find a way to justify the GOP on this matter?

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Perhaps some wingnut can find a way to justify the GOP on [the auto industry bailout]?

Until we knew they wanted a bailout, the wingnut narrative was that the Big Three were the innocent good guys. They had to build SUVs and giant pickups, you see, because the buyers demanded them.

I wasn't aware of the EFCA. Eliminating secret ballot doesn't seem to be an improvement, I agree, but also agree that almost anything the GOP opposes to this degree re unions must be good. It's especially easy when they come right out and say it's bad because it would make organizing unions easier. That sounds like plenty reason enough to try and counter all the collusive acts governments and corporations have employed over the last few decades to bust unions.

the secret ballot must be preserved. Neither union organizers nor employers should ever be in a position to know how any individual voted on an issue like this. The rest of the bill is perfectly okay with me, but the loss of privacy that is necessarily associated with checking card signatures is unconscionable to me. This isn't a pro-labor or anti-labor question. It's a human rights question. The right to privacy ought to be sacrosanct in a vote like this.

Workers should be able to form a union without being subjected to management threats, harassment and intimidation. "Secret ballot" elections require a process that allows for that to happen. Even if the actual "vote" is safe and secure, the process preceding it is heavily weighted against a free choice to unionize.

Your post is misleading. It is not the GOP that's keeping the bailout for the auto industry from happening. Please remember that Congress is run by the democrats.

Harry Reed said two days ago, "the votes aren't there", does not mean that only republicans are not in favor of the measure.

In fact, the democrats will have a hard time even with a democratic president and congress. WHY? Because of the blue dog democrats. There are a lot of elected officials that come from RED states. And if they want to get reelected, they better vote "conservative" not democratic or republican!

It's not going to be that easy for you.

Your post is misleading. It is not the GOP that's keeping the bailout for the auto industry from happening. Please remember that Congress is run by the democrats.

And please forget that when the Republicans ran Congress (from 1994 - 2006), and the prurient dreams of the permanent Republican majority were accepted as gospel truth throughout the Establishment, the all-powerful "liberal agenda" was tying their hands from getting anything done - like shutting down the government, pursuing a specious presidential impeachment, starting a war based on false intelligence, unbridled spy authority, etc. etc. etc. Poow widduw powuhwess Weepubwicans. Always victims.

(First rule of "bipartisanship:" Majority/minority status notwithstanding, it's always the Democrats' fault when the Republicans don't get their way. Heads, they win. Tails, you lose.)

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YOU’RE LOPSIDED from that huge chip on your shoulder.

All I said was that the democrats have all the votes they need to pass the bailout, why don’t they and don’t blame the democrats.

Your post is bias and offensive. You're very small minded and short sighted.

Sorry.....don't blame the republicans......

Sorry.....don't blame the republicans......

Except they oppose it more widely than Dems. The new Congress in Jan. could have the votes not there now, especially if they're not voting on Bush's plan to rob fuel efficiency funds for the bailout.

...they better vote "conservative" not democratic or republican! ... It's not going to be that easy for you.

It's already tough for you, apparently. Having to cling to an ever narrowing group to try and identify with must be hard.

None of them need bailing out. Breaking the union though would be the thing to ever happen to the American automobile industry. Why is it that only the "Big 3" are needing help?

... there's no reason card check couldn't preserve the secret ballot.

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