Tue
Dec 30 2008
06:06 pm
By: michael kaplan

Dear City Council Member,

Parking of vehicles in front yards is a matter of practical necessity in many neighborhoods. Because of the sprawling nature of this city, it is not unusual to find every member of a household with a personal vehicle. Because vehicles are used for work, shopping, entertainment, visiting, etc., and because each member of a household may have a different schedule, access to each vehicle becomes a necessity. If a household's vehicles are lined up in a driveway, then some vehicles need to be started and moved for access to others. Rather than do this (with its fuel consumption, pollution and inconvenience) household members park their cars in front yards that give them direct and immediate access to the street. It's common sense.

Street parking is often inadequate (in terms of available linear feet for the number of household vehicles) or unsafe because the narrow width of many two-way streets. For example, the photo attached shows what could happen at night when cars are parked on both sides of a two-way street. (This happened on E. Scott Avenue in North Knoxville.)

I'd recommend putting aside issues of aesthetics and property values and either come up with a more practical solution or, for the time being, vote against the proposal to ban front-yard parking.

Bbeanster's picture

I live in OLP where the

I live in OLP where the front yards are tiny -- 50' wide. I've been relatively quiet about this because it literally hits close to home -- as in a nabe who typically parks as many as five cars in that tiny front yard. I like my neighbor, and generally take a none-of-my-business, live and let live position on most everything, but the proliferation of cars, often parked right smack up against my driveway impeding my ingress/egress, is getting difficult. I don't plan to make a formal complaint, but I do grit my teeth a lot.

michael kaplan's picture

it's a difficult problem in

it's a difficult problem in a city/country based on sprawl.

i have a friend who moved from knoxville to stockholm. he immediately gave up his car, but still lives in a wooded environment much like what we enjoy here. public transportation goes everywhere, runs often and very much to schedule, and is clean and comfortable.

bizgrrl's picture

I'm not sure I get it that

I'm not sure I get it that Knoxville is a city "based on sprawl".

It is a city based on people with a car mindset.

When I lived in the Island Home neighborhood, I rode the bus to work frequently. It was easy. The bus stopped practically in front of my house and I worked at UT Hospital. The main problem is the length of time for the bus trip, about an hour for a 10-15 minute car ride. Plus, when I was riding the bus, there were plenty of shops on Gay Street near the bus change over location to pass the time.

More years ago than that, when I lived off Alcoa Hwy in a Knox County suburb, we could catch a bus along the highway to go to Knoxville or Maryville/Alcoa. Can't do that now.

Let's address how to change people's minds on public transportation. Let's address how to make public transportation more targeted towards the audience. As I've said before, start using shuttles instead of big buses. Work with all of the large businesses in the area, UT, UT Hospital, Fort Sanders Hosp, TVA (large?), St. Mary's Hosp, etc. to see if there can't be more direct shuttles to/from work/home.

Tess's picture

You are spot on,

You are spot on, Bizgirl.

The time factor is the critical thing for most people. The one hour bus ride in exchange for the 15 minute car ride is a deal breaker for me. And, no, I don't want to catch up on my reading. I want to get home to let the dog out to potty after work.

rocketsquirrel's picture

effective transit requires

effective transit requires following supply and demand. If we moved to a subscription based transit system to determine routing, rather than what we currently do, which is set a route and see who shows up, it might result in a better allocation of resources...especially with smaller shuttles and more of a hub and spoke approach. if you've paid for a six month subscription, the transit entity (a private entity, perhaps?) could depend on those commitments to plan services more effectively.

Re hub and spoke, more gathering points (church parking lots, for example) would result in fewer, individualized stops. It is ridiculous how many times the KAT buses stop up and down Broadway. There is no efficient way for mass transit to provide service to so many stops and get people back and forth in a reasonable amount of time.

michael kaplan's picture

all good ideas. ever take

all good ideas.

ever take the n. central bus that turns at baxter, runs through lonsdale, and makes its way back via middlebrook pike? scenic, if you have lots of time.

KC's picture

You do know there are

You do know there are neighborhoods in town where this is already common? You don't? Good. Please stay away.

If a neigborhood wants to accept and allow yard parking as policy and implement it in a way that is accepted by the neighborhood as a whole, that's one thing.

If certain homeowners in a neighborhood begin yard parking, and then try to have that made into public policy de facto, that's wrong.

Every neighborhood has certain standards that are obvious the first time you see it. If a person doesn't really care for those standards, then they shouldn't live there.

When I was looking for a home, I didn't look in neighborhoods that have landscaped, "manicured" lawns. I'm not sure why others can not do the same.

As for temporary parking in order to help the disabled enter their homes, I don't have a problem with that.

You are the decider of what people can do? Barbara Pelot certainly is. No surprise you support her.

As Factchecker indicated, it's called representative democracy. I suggest you study up on it. I realize it's a bummer when it doesn't always go your way, it hasn't always gone mine, but I don't think that's reason enough to personally insult others and make your little remarks. But without an ability to rationally discuss your views and the views of others, I guess you have to have something to fall back on.

All about you isn't it?

For someone who spends their time on this forum disguising personal vendettas as public policy issues, that comment almost made me lose my coffee.

Up Goose Creek's picture

Yikes

"If people want to park in their front yards, they should be encouraged to move to a surrounding county where the practice is common"

Gary, this attitude is so wrong on so many levels. You do know there are neighborhoods in town where this is already common? You don't? Good. Please stay away.

(looking out the window to see if enough grass is growing in my parking speace to qualify me as a dastardly yard parker)

I'm not talking about impromptu car lots, just the occasional car parked in the grass. If all the yards got paved think about the increased runoff.

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Factchecker's picture

I would have thought

I would have thought Knoxville already had laws against abandoned cars.

I live in a subdivision just outside the city, BTW. There is a county ordinance about keeping cars registered, but that's been about the only tool we've found against our offenders. Granted collecting junkers and where they are parked are two slightly different issues, but they generally go hand in hand. Also, I do think it's generally fair that a democratic government can be the decider on such issues (9).

My concern about this discussion is people may be putting property values above human values.

I wouldn't attribute the right of where to park one's car as a human value. And it's not just about property values. It's about property eyesores and being decent, responsible neighbors.

goose creek's picture

Property values

My concern about this discussion is people may be putting property values above human values.

Look at recent history and how the pursuit of property values overheated. We are just beginning to see the fallout from that obsession.

BTW I am a (multiple)homeowner.

KC's picture

If people want to park in

If people want to park in their front yards, they should be encouraged to move to a surrounding county where the practice is common.

Just because the head of the household believes that everyone in the home who is over the age of 16 should have his or her own car is not good enough when it makes neighbors' homes lose their values.

People have too much junk, including cars, these days. I know people who have two car garages, but because their garages are full of junk and not cars, their cars stay parked outside.

I do not believe that I should face a lower home value because somebody thinks junior should have his own car so he can drive himself to the game on Friday, or so Suzy can run out to the mall.

I support the ordinance and especially Councilwoman Pelot who is looking out for her constituents on this issue.

Anonymously Nine's picture

The decider...

People have too much junk, including cars, these days.

You are the decider of what people can do? Barbara Pelot certainly is. No surprise you support her.

I do not believe that I should face a lower home value because somebody thinks junior should have his own car so he can drive himself to the game on Friday, or so Suzy can run out to the mall.

All about you isn't it? Send them away to the county. They are not "our kind".

Maybe dad has to work two jobs to pay for everything. Maybe Junior has a job after school. Maybe mom works too. Maybe dad and mom can't chauffeur the entire family around 24/7. But so you can have a little slice of your heaven they have to do what you say? Because you are the decider? Maybe they can't afford to live anywhere else.

Old neighborhoods were designed for one car. This isn't 1950. The streets cannot accommodate the parking on both sides. There is a better solution. But it is great to see who the deciders are. You're a great progressive.

Sounds like a redneck cleansing program. If they get a bike can they stay? Pleeease.

Nobody2's picture

Stacey, you're a homeowner?

Stacey, you're a homeowner? If yes, then you realize that the value of your property is, in many ways, determined by how well your neighbors care for their property. Since a person's home is typically their single largest investment, most homeowners are taking this issue very seriously indeed.

As rocketsquirrel pointed out earlier, how well your neighbor cares for their property is also a determinant of the other issues you mentioned - respect for their neighbor's right to peaceful enjoyment of their home and the degradation of neighborhood awareness leading to incresed crime.

michael kaplan's picture

"you realize that the value

"you realize that the value of your property is, in many ways, determined by how well your neighbors care for their property."

in many ways, it is determined by other things, like scarcity, location, size, the value of the dollar, federal housing policy, mortgage rates, the state of the economy, etc. the derelict condition of many properties in and near old north knoxville (houses, sidewalks, yards) didn't seem to affect property values - which rose considerably during the "boom" years.

sugarfatpie's picture

The condition of your

The condition of your neighbor's property definitely influences the value of your property.
Ask any realtor.

-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)

"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin

rocketsquirrel's picture

Goose Creek... We also own a

Goose Creek... We also own a couple of properties. One of them is for our son's college education. We've worked hard to help keep the neighborhood on an upward trajectory. Property value and human value are not an either/or proposition. We've chosen to use a house as a vehicle for financing a future education. For many others, property value is a major factor in their ability to retire, take equity out through a reverse mortgage late in life, etc. If their neighbors take actions that suppress property values, there is a very human cost--from quality of life, to increased crime, to being able to grow the equity to successfully retire.

Justin's picture

I support the ordinance

I support the ordinance because I want to have a form of recourse should my neighbor decide to turn his front yard into a car lot.

StaceyDiamond's picture

parking

If my neighbors are not keeping me awake or committing violent crimes I could care less if they park in their yard. If you have time to worry about yard parking you have probably not dealt with more serious issues. I think stupid bans are an effort for government to make themselves relevant.

Anonymously Nine's picture

Not complex enough...

Behold the ordinance:

(link...)

Piece of work isn't it?

michael kaplan's picture

amazing .. and it only took

amazing .. and it only took 8 months to "craft"

michael kaplan's picture

storage is different than parking

it seems to me that storage of cars is different than parking of cars. the former could be considered blight and a health hazard since they often house rodents and other animals. i've seen *rear* yards of stored vehicles (and other heavy mechanical equipment) in residential neighborhoods. some are protected, of course, by C or I zoning (like the areas along and to the west of n. central).

bizgrrl's picture

I would have thought

I would have thought Knoxville already had laws against abandoned cars. Doesn't mean they are enforced, someone probably has to report the violator. Counties are usually much more lax, don't know about Knox County.

I'm just curious, if someone has a front yard to park their cars, don't most, I know not all, have a backyard? Can a person still park these cars in their backyard?

Isn't it weird, backyard is one word, front yard is two words. Thus, cars should be in the less formal backyard? Except for, NIMBY.

Rachel's picture

Can a person still park

Can a person still park these cars in their backyard?

Yes.

rocketsquirrel's picture

front yard parking is a

front yard parking is a symptom, as in broken window syndrome. It is an indicator. When does your "right" to park in your front yard trump your neighbor's eroding property values?

This is an issue of social order to promote stable neighborhoods.

'In a 1982 Atlantic Monthly article titled "Broken Windows," James Q. Wilson and George Kelling argued that disorder in a community, if left uncorrected, undercuts residents' own efforts to maintain their homes and neighborhoods and control unruly behavior. "If a window in a building is broken and left unrepaired," they wrote, "all the rest of the windows will soon be broken. . . . One unrepaired window is a signal that no one cares, so breaking more windows costs nothing. . . . Untended property becomes fair game for people out for fun or plunder."

'If disorder goes unchecked, a vicious cycle begins. First, it kindles a fear of crime among residents, who respond by staying behind locked doors. Their involvement in the neighborhood declines; people begin to ignore rowdy and threatening behavior in public. They cease to exercise social regulation over little things like litter on the street, loitering strangers, or truant schoolchildren. When law-abiding eyes stop watching the streets, the social order breaks down and criminals move in.

'"Stable neighborhoods can change in a few months to jungles," declare Wilson and Kelling. Disorder also can have dire economic consequences. Shoppers will shun an area they perceive as being "out of control." One study analyzing crime in 30 different areas found that the level of disorder of a neighborhood -- more than such factors as income level, resident turnover, or racial makeup -- was the best indicator of an area's lack of safety.'

Factchecker's picture

Oops, hadn't seen the

Oops, hadn't seen the update. Hope it helps and doesn't cause unfair heartache.

Factchecker's picture

What the hell is wrong with people

Collecting junk cars has become almost a neighborhood epidemic. There are at least two such houses in our neighb within a few blocks from us. I deeply sympathize with the neighbors in direct view who have been unsuccessful in dealing with this trash. One family directly across the street from trailer trash (sans trailer) happens to be prominent and staunchly GOP and even they can't get a break, and the other one next door recently passed away and had to endure the eyesore the rest of her days. I get pissed off every time we walk past these offending yards. Therefore I'm generally for more tools to de-trash the 'hoods.

Rachel's picture

One family directly across

One family directly across the street from trailer trash (sans trailer) happens to be prominent and staunchly GOP and even they can't get a break,

One of the strongest supporters in our neighborhood of our attempts to get an historic overlay are big conservatives. They're also the ones who invested a ton of $$$ to rehab a falling down old house into a showplace.

Funny political things happen when property values are involved.

michael kaplan's picture

It's all moot, as City

It's all moot, as City Council has already voted. Here's Council member Pelot's comment:

"This ordinance was crafted with the assistance of the Directors of a number of City Departments, as you know, and many volunteer hours of interested citizens with various skills, representing a myriad of views and expertise. All meetings were sunshined and open to the public. It was truly an extraordinary exercise. Council passed the ordinance tonight by a vote of 8-1."

Nobody's picture

Neighbors

I'd be more upset about this ordinance if I thought it were going to be enforced. It basically comes down to neighborhood standards. Hopefully you can tell before moving into an area whether yard parking is considered acceptable. I liked the plan that required a vote of the neighborhood association , I suppose it would be like a neighborhood has to vote for speed bumps. Last I'd heard that provision had fallen by the wayside.

The most important thing is to get along with your neighbors. If they like you they won't be calling the city on you.

terrytroll's picture

BY DARN, it's my yard and as

BY DARN, it's my yard and as long as the tags are current I'll park 'er where I want!
BTW Anon. it should be chidren, for effect with the L unspoken.

JaHu's picture

I disagree with this new

I disagree with this new ordinance. They claim if a poor person parks in front of his house it is out of sheer laziness, but if a person is able to enjoy the luxury of being able to afford a circular paved driveway in front of their house it is no longer considered laziness. Where is the justice in that? This ordinance is strictly directed against the poor and I feel it is unfair.

michael kaplan's picture

"This ordinance is strictly

"This ordinance is strictly directed against the poor"

It really does discriminate against households that have limited driveways, numerous members (renters, immigrants), narrow street frontages. Those characteristics tend to be present in poorer neighborhoods.

Maybe there should be ordinances against garage doors facing the street. Those, in my opinion, are *really* ugly. Some "new urbanist" covenants do ban them ... but they are convenient, and I'm sure city council members would fight to retain them.

edens's picture

It really does discriminate

It really does discriminate against households that have limited driveways, numerous members (renters, immigrants)

You actually nailed the issue there, Kaplan. Nine's exactly backwards when he says it targets lower middle income homeowners. Contrary to his desire to see "Urban Hipsters" as the villain in everyhing, this particular issue is driven more by older, established residents in older inner suburbs dealing with an influx of renters (many of whom may be immigrants). Yard parking is a "transitional neighborhood" issue, but primarily in neighborhoods that are transitioning downards, not upwards.

Nobody's picture

Huh?

Btw, this ordinance is directed at the lazy...

If there's a legitimate reason to park in the front yard, like a handicap ramp, then it's an exception. However, if you park in your front yard because you're too lazy to park in the driveway or street, then I don't sympathize. And for the ridiculous "civil rights" cries of #9, I live in the empowerment zone (just a few blocks from Kaplan, btw). I don't even have a driveway. I have to park in the street every night, and I'm totally in favor of this ordinance. However, I realize ordinances like this are simply a difference in philosophy. I believe that public policy with regard to property rights come with a serious responsibility to one's community. Another community (#9, Kaplan, etc.), are seriously self-righteous when it comes to public policy.

Anonymously Nine's picture

I agree

This ordinance is strictly directed against the poor and I feel it is unfair.

I agree with what you wrote.

It as a property rights issue. It is retroactive, which is unfair. People had no warning before they bought their homes. With a neighborhood association covenant there is prior warning. This might be a civil rights violation. It is too broad in scope and is retroactive. It takes away a right and it is directed at the middle and lower middle class homeowner or renter.

I really like Kaplan's public safety issue. I think that trumps everything. That is common sense thinking.

Rachel's picture

It takes away a right and it

It takes away a right and it is directed at the middle and lower middle class homeowner or renter.

Parking in your front yard is a "right"?

I can see why folks think this might target lower income neighborhoods. OTOH, it was supported by COIN (Council of Involved Neighborhoods), an umbrella organization of Knoxville neighborhoods, many of them inner city. There are very real concerns out there about quality of life and property values.

This is a really complex issue, as will be evident to those who read the ordinance (hint, hint) - and certainly to those who attended the tens of hours of meetings about it over the last year or so. My take on it is to give it six months and see how it is working.

Tess's picture

yes

Yes, there are city ordinances for the number of cars allowed to be parked in and around a residence, I believe. Bu, I ain't looking it up right now.

Tess's picture

That is the kind of thing

That is the kind of thing most people observe before they move into a neighborhood. Just sayin' that it is not like that everywhere in Knoxville as you imply by your post.

Anonymously Nine's picture

Ah, the great question of urbanist hipsters...

Moving back to Knoxville has brought me back to the horror of ABANDONED cars in yards. I can count 4 within two blocks of my new place with either no tags or expired tags parked up in the front yard. These vehicles are not maintained and are near playgrounds and schools. It is a complete hazard and should be illegal.

Which is more important, aesthetics or public safety? Kaplan says public safety is more important. Yet, you disagree? You actually give the weak argument that school childens, "r" dropped for effect, might be harmed be a parked car. Kind of like a discarded refrigerator. Perhaps they could get locked in the truck? It's a Horror he exclaims breathlessly with great concern.

But it is fine for people to be at risk getting out of their cars at night with cars parked across from them?

Clearly the safety of the childens is paramount. Do they really need two parents? Or any parents? Better the parent gets run over than a childens get locked in the trunk of an abandoned car. True, there may not be a recorded case of that in this area but you can't be to careful.

So it is decided by the monarchy that there can only be one car per house? Or two? But no more than two. Because it is for the greater good. Besides, they should ride a bike, or the bus. Or carpool you heathen Global Warming demons.

Now that we now it is both a Horror and a Hazard, we must comply. Go forward grand monarchy. Protect the childens. For they are the future. To hell with their parents. The state will provide should a parent get run over.

Question, isn't there already an ordinance for abandoned vehicles?

rocketsquirrel's picture

My great aunt and uncle in

My great aunt and uncle in Needham, MA raised three great kids in a tiny post war house. As the kids grew up, Uncle Ken would, every night, rearrange the cars in the driveway in order of their anticipated AM departure. Aunt Thel would declare, "time to park the cars, Ken."

I enjoy the tradition myself with our two cars in a narrow driveway in our urban neighborhood. Somehow, I think the environmental impact of planning ahead is negligible. In addition, if more folks would take advantage of the alley access and rear parking areas in these older neighborhoods, street parking would be alleviated. My grandmother could navigate her huge '76 Grand Prix down the alley behind her Victorian house on Pine Street in Johnson City.

michael kaplan's picture

" if more folks would take

" if more folks would take advantage of the alley access and rear parking areas in these older neighborhoods, street parking would be alleviated."

That's a very good point, but, unfortunately, most alleys are a mess. Who's responsible for maintaining them?

rocketsquirrel's picture

Michael, I know the city is

Michael,

I know the city is responsible for tree trimming the alleys. And do, but rather badly. They tend to use vertical mowing practices.

biggest issue in the alleys is trash. Where you have rentals, there are numerous containers that tend to be badly maintained. In more transitional areas, you have gang activity in alleys where bottles are thrown to break glass and discourage police patrols.

I've participated in neighborhood cleanups, and while the focus is usually on the public streets, we've taken to the alleys before as well. Unfortunately, I honestly think it takes the property owners within their own block to effectively keep it pruned, cleaned up, and parkable. While we don't have an alley in my block, about every two weeks, I'm picking up trash down our whole block when out walking. Takes about 10 minutes, and much more practical than expecting somebody else to do it (government or public agency)...

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