Sun
Sep 23 2007
11:45 pm
By: Sandra Clark

Interesting TV today as Bill Haslam and Isa Infante appeared on both WBIR and WATE. Even more interesting was the "independent research" that led Don Bosch and Gene Patterson to ask Infante indentical questions -- Why does your Web site read so much like the Green Party's?

Infante has failed to give voters a reason to reject Haslam. I figure any votes she gets Tuesday will be from folks who have Haslam confused with Ragsdale and are trying to throw the bum out! -- s.

Elrod's picture

Giving to the GOP

The only real criticism I can think of is that Bill Haslam is one of the largest donors in the state to Bush-Cheney and now to Fred Thompson. His own governing philosophy is clearly different from the hard-right GOP of today. So why does he spend money supporting them? That obviously doesn't affect his mayorship over the city of Knoxville and should probably be separated from any consideration of whether or not to vote for him. But surely he shouldn't be given a pass for his outsized support for today's monstrous Republican Party.

Carole Borges's picture

I agrre with this...

Plus, I think Isa would perhaps be more responsive to the "little people" who seek to have more money put into their not fashionable or downtown neighborhoods. Her stated intention would be to seek a lot more public input from every neighborhood in the city, not make downtown and the far West neighborhoods her major priority. She appreciates all the renewal, loves Market Square, lives in the 4th and Gill neighborhood, but she is also very aware that there is plenty of room now to expand the city's involvement. She believes Knoxville is not just about major developments and growth. I think this is the reason she will get votes. Her sense of community and promise for more inclusion by homeowners in all neighborhoods of the city is I think stronger than Haslam's.

frenchharp's picture

Haslam

Haslam raised taxes and has given it to the richest in our society. Sounds Republican to me.....

Sandra Clark's picture

Huh?

Haslam and City Council have had 1 property tax increase in four years and he said on TV yesterday that he doesn't anticipate one for next year. As for "giving it to the richest," I don't get it. Be specific, FrenchHarp. -- s.

CBT's picture

Mr. Emge, aka

Mr. Emge, aka frenchharp,

...and has given it to the richest in our society

Details please. Name an instance where Haslam has raised taxes and given those dollars to the 'richest in our society'>

Ms. Borges,

Her stated intention would be to seek a lot more public input from every neighborhood in the city, not make downtown and the far West neighborhoods her major priority

For one, downtown is one area where the city can grow it's tax base substantially. It is and should be a major priority. And, in what decision by the Haslam administration has there been anything but extensive public input from anyone, from any neighborhood?

These are all easy statements to make, but very difficult, if not imposiible, to prove.

rikki's picture

bzzzzzzt

Mr. Emge, aka frenchharp,

Wrong. frenchharp is someone else. I think he has even signed posts here with his real name, but I'll let him choose whether to reveal himself in this thread.

CBT's picture

My apologies... Should have

My apologies...

Should have been 'Mr. Pleasant'.

CBT

Carole Borges's picture

Downtown development is important, but...

Haslam has done a great job of developing the downtown and should continue to put emphasis on it, but there are people who would like to see a bit more focus put on things like jobs outside the downtown area now. Neighborhoods up on North Broadway (beyond Central) have many commercial spaces sitting empty. There is an empty school in the Oakwood Lincoln Park area. Residents have been trying to create apartments there with artist studios and some subsidized elderly housing slots. The city could help them solicit developers for that space and give them percs that would make it feasible. Bus service is a problem. They often break down and aren't always on time. Also the people in my neighborhood are concerned about all the condemned houses blighting our areas and about crime. Personally, I like Haslam and applaud what he has done, I just think his focus on the downtown area might be a little less now that it is established and growing. Nothing is ever perfect. All the neighborhood associations have issues they would like to see pushed forward. I think Isa would be a bit more very responsive to the "little people's" problems.

Rachel's picture

There is an empty school in

There is an empty school in the Oakwood Lincoln Park area. Residents have been trying to create apartments there with artist studios and some subsidized elderly housing slots. The city could help them solicit developers for that space and give them percs that would make it feasible.

Just a note on this - Oakwood School is owned by the county. The City can't do much about it as the situation is.

"The difficulty lies not so much in developing new ideas as in escaping from old ones." - John Maynard Keynes

Carole Borges's picture

I know the school's are owned by the county but...

The groups that are trying to do something about them are not experts. I do think the city shouldn't just turn away from helping utilize the schools. It is after all in the best interest of the city to not have them be vacant. Why can't the city offer inexperienced residents some expertise in making proposals that might appeal to investors who might find the projects worthwhile? The proposed plans include only a few subsidized apts for the elderly. The rest can be developed for a healthy profit. It's happened in several other progressive cities. Sure, the county owns the schools now, but once they are sold they will be on the city tax rolls. I really do think the city could help city residents organize around improvement efforts that would benefit our neighborhoods.

SammySkull's picture

I have to wonder why there

I have to wonder why there is a school building sitting empty when Whittle Springs Middle school has trailers that have basically become permanent. That's the closest school to where I live and the one I see most often, but I know there are plenty of schools around that have to use trailers. Wouldn't the best use of a school be as a school?

StaceyDiamond's picture

city

I noticed the identical values months ago on the Green and Isa websites. I think someone from the Green Party designed her site and did it deliberately and not for anything sinister. She should have given that as her answer rather than saying they were her words. I was at the Dem convention when Isa was elected ward chair. She said she was still a Democrat but the Greens were helping her run for mayor, along with others. Some take this race with the same seriousness as when Madeline ran and are set to blame the Democrats if she looses. I know Isa a bit from work and know those helping her, but for months I've had the same serious questions about her resume that they asked her on WATE yesterday. The downtown development is coming to the neighborhoods, though I am still waiting for a reply from Bob Becker on what that really means for Old North.

StaceyDiamond's picture

aginning

I remember for years the complaint was, we are developing over here but ignoring downtown. Now its we are developing downtown and ignoring everything else.....

Carole Borges's picture

Over where Stacey?

If that's the case then I think it's a good thing. It shows something has been accomplished in your area. I'm in the Whittle Springs Edgewood neighborhood. Not much development going on around here.

SammySkull's picture

What sort of development do

What sort of development do you want? I'm also in the Whittle Springs area and can think of three different bits of land that have been razed and now have various levels of construction going on cramming a bunch of condos in. I do hope they fix Valley View Drive after they finish fixing whatever requires that they tear up Valley View. That's currently the worst paved road in town as far as I know.

Carole Borges's picture

I wasn't talking new developments, Sammy

Perhaps I should have used the word improvement" in our neighborhoods. I'm not for massive amounts of condos and townhouses either.

I'd like to see more recruitment by the city to get more of the kinds of retail businesses that would make our community more desirable, more rehabbing of some of our beautiful older homes, more condemned homes restored, and more regulations regarding signage.

The drive-through convience store on Walker Springs is a nghtmare with signs plastered all over it, the business across trhe street which I heard was told to clean itself up, now looks even worse. You can't tell if its a store, a garage sale, or just someone dum,ping trash. And I'd also like to see the city complete its exploration to forge an agreement with the theraputic swimming pool in our neighborhood. Most other parts of the city have a pool. Why don't we?

SammySkull's picture

Perhaps I should have used

Perhaps I should have used the word improvement" in our neighborhoods. I'm not for massive amounts of condos and townhouses either.

I understood that. I wasn't really trying to go after you or what you said, so I apologize for my reply feeling like that.

There is the pool on Valley View, but from my understanding it's members only and has quite a long waiting list. Also, I'd trade any of our new developments for a nice park with a big green space and some trees left to give some shade. I'd even be slightly less irritated with the condo developments if they hadn't just shaved the land of all vegetation.

frenchharp's picture

South Grove

How much did the city give to the developers of South Grove which was on Green space and outside of the growth boundary?

jbr's picture

South Grove is not a

South Grove is not a city/Haslam administration shining moment in my opinion.

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Up Goose Creek's picture

Schools

I was impressed that Bill Haslam "got" that improving inner city schools is the # 1 way to counteract sprawl. But I wonder how much he can influence the school administration.

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Stan G's picture

Go Turkey Creek :-)

Submitted by CBT on Mon, 2007/09/24 - 1:56pm.

For one, downtown is one area where the city can grow it's tax base substantially.

"Can" is the operative word. Since just about every major downtown development has been granted a TIF, the growing tax base does not generate current tax dollars. Like it or not, it's the suburban growth that's generating the increased tax dollars.

CBT's picture

I said downtown was 'one'

I said downtown was 'one' area. I didn't say it was the only one. The city has limited areas which have not been developed. Absent anexxation, the options for growing revenue are also limited. That's one reason downtown development makes sense.

bill young's picture

It's Election Day!

GO VOTE!
Vote Haslem!!

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