Fri
Mar 26 2010
11:52 am

By the broad definitions established in post 9-11 America, many of the leaders are flirting with that status.

Take this for example.

Even that right winger on The View, Elizabeth Hasselbeck, is calling Palin's target map "despicable"

So where are we in post 9-11 America's regarding incitement to terror?
Do you have to be the actual perpetrator to get the attention of law enforcement, or do the instigators get any "credit"?

R. Neal's picture

CNN analyst David Gergen said

CNN analyst David Gergen said yesterday there will be bloodshed. He thinks it will be isolated, but some nut will go off in reaction the the overheated rhetoric. He also says Dems are "out of bounds" to use it for fundraising. I agree.

sugarfatpie's picture

I'd like to know who else is

I'd like to know who else is "out of bounds" on fund-raising.
By Gergen's standards I've seen so much "out of bounds" fund-raising by the GOP that complaining about any potential Dem use of domestic terror for fund-raising seems more than absurd.

bobbylife's picture

Pretty weak tea, this.

And not that I'm validating breaking people's windows and creating maps with little cartoony representations of crosshairs on them or any of that silliness, but this nation was founded by domestic terrorists. Just something to keep in mind as you parse the times in which we live.

R. Neal's picture

this nation was founded by

this nation was founded by domestic terrorists.

Wow.

bobbylife's picture

I won't dispute that.

But I've also got a functioning memory.

Andy Axel's picture

Memory

You have firsthand experience of 1778?

sugarfatpie's picture

OK, I guess you are talking

OK, I guess you are talking about the "Sons of Liberty". Or maybe you had a less incendiary source than this link?

And I'll grant you the point that there is a thin line between "freedom fighting" and terrorism (mostly decided by whether or not the freedom fighters "win" in the end).

But if you are implying that the behavior of the "founding fathers" serves as some sort of moral compass for the rest of us, then I guess we should all start purchasing slaves, growing pot, drinking like fish, denying the right to vote to the vast majority of adults, and philandering like...er....Ben Franklin in Paris.

bobbylife's picture

Well, sorta.

I was just talking, in an abstract and general sense, about the role of political violence in America. If you think people like Adkisson (sp?) are just malformed disaffected assholes, I'll agree with you. However, this nation came about largely because of the resolve of some people to become extremely violent in their pursuit of a certain set of political aims, aims that laid the foundations for the eventual overthrow of the nasty institution of slavery. Speaking of which, and in case your memory's really stunted, I'll remind you that major change in the context of extreme violence has happened more than once in our history. Should we all jump to violent solutions just because the majority seems to be coloring outside our lines? May it never be. The cost is ridiculously high. OTOH, do we eschew violence per se? Is it never a necessary part of political solutions? If you say so, I'm gonna think you're either joking or you're a damned fool.

reform4's picture

In a modern world....

.. where the government has M1A1 tanks, stealth bombers, and nuclear weapons.. um, do you really think your Glock is really gonna change the political environment?

You could use it to threaten and intimidate your fellow citizens, but political movements in the modern age are (and should be) a war of ideas.

This fantasy of waves of Hatriots with AK-47s overthrowing some Red-Dawn government really needs to be shelved with the rest of the childhood fantasies of flying like Superman. GTHU.

Eric Pearson, for Congress's picture

Please enlighten us all further on how the Tea Baggers are domes

Please enlighten us all further on how the Tea Baggers are domestic terrorists.

Especially with having a Common Sense Constitutional Conservative Self-Governance as their mode of operation. Their Non-Negotiable Core Beliefs are:

Illegal Aliens Are Here illegally.
Pro-Domestic Employment Is Indispensable.
Stronger Military Is Essential.
Special Interests Eliminated.
Gun Ownership Is Sacred.
Government Must Be Downsized.
National Budget Must Be Balanced.
Deficit Spending Will End.
Bail-out And Stimulus Plans Are Illegal.
Reduce Personal Income Taxes A Must.
Reduce Business Income Taxes Is Mandatory.
Political Offices Available To Average Citizens.
Intrusive Government Stopped.
English As Core Language Is Required.
Traditional Family Values Are Encouraged.

The above was put together from a combination of several articles written about illegal immigration.

Eric Pearson, Democratic Party candidate for US Congress in the 5th district, Tennessee.
Site: (link...)

sugarfatpie's picture

Cutting someone's gas-line,

Cutting someone's gas-line, in response to their (or in this case their brother's) vote.
Throwing brick's through windows.
Anyone else care to document?

Eric Pearson, for Congress's picture

sugarfatpie, please try being HONEST.

sugarfatpie, please try being HONEST.

I checked, and the tea party is not involved with anything you said. Matter of fact, several newspapers and a police report say irate Democrats may have been involved. If you want I can post the information.

Eric Pearson, Democratic Party candidate for US Congress in the 5th district, Tennessee.

Site: (link...)

sugarfatpie's picture

Here is an article, linked to

Here is an article, linked to in my first post by the way, that pretty well lays out the connections.

(link...)

And your suggestion that this is the work of irate Democrats is laughable. Please do post the information.

Eric Pearson, for Congress's picture

False Claims About The Tea Party. . .

To claim that political violence exclusively or mainly originates from the Tea Party requires record breaking levels of either cognitive dissonance or dishonesty. Did you miss the arrest of a Democratic donor who planned to kill Eric Cantor and his family? The death threats against Sarah Palin and her family? Did you fail to notice the left wing terrorists who threw cinder blocks and sandbags from overpasses at GOP convention buses? What is the political affiliation of the rioters who disrupt every G20 and IMF meeting? Where were you when SEIU thugs put Kenneth Gladney, an African American Tea Party attendee, in the hospital? I missed your condemnation. Your attempt to delegitimize opposition to radical left wing policies by smearing the Tea Party as violent racists is despicable and a threat to the fundamental principles of democracy.

Also, the incendiary charge hurled by Democrats at Tea Party activists protesting against ObamaCare was shown to be totally false by Jack Cashill in his article “A Closer Look at the Capitol Steps Conspiracy”.

Eric Pearson, Democratic Party candidate for US Congress in the 5th district, Tennessee.

Site: (link...)

sugarfatpie's picture

To claim that political

To claim that political violence exclusively or mainly originates from the Tea Party requires record breaking levels of either cognitive dissonance or dishonesty.

Yes it would. Thing is, I never did that. I did suggest that some of the Tea baggers might be terrorists, something you have yet to refute.

Did you fail to notice the left wing terrorists who threw cinder blocks and sandbags from overpasses at GOP convention buses?

Reputable source please?

What is the political affiliation of the rioters who disrupt every G20 and IMF meeting?

Anarchist. They generally snear at the Dems and Obama.

Where were you when SEIU thugs put Kenneth Gladney, an African American Tea Party attendee, in the hospital?

Laughing at his lame-ass political theater.
(link...)

Your attempt to delegitimize opposition to radical left wing policies by smearing the Tea Party as violent racists is despicable and a threat to the fundamental principles of democracy.

Radical left wing policies? Like the all the crazy ones that came out of the Heritage Foundation and made their way into the Health Care bill?

SmackontheWeb's picture

Are teabaggers domestic terrorists?

YES!

More Threats of Violence From Tea Party - This Time It's Local

(link...)

B Harmon's picture

Hall Hill

Apparently that bloviate Halloren Hill did his show today about death threats being a form of freedom of speech. I did not listen long, but there were some real doozies that called in. HH kept saying that the left is doing it also and one caller kept asking who and what on the left said anything like a death threat. HH said that when Olberman goes on his tirades it can be considered a threat.

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HH was saying that it is okay to threaten and as long as you are not pulling the trigger, you can say anything.

reform4's picture

Ironically...

.. Dave Foulk on his facebook page linked to this story about a group putting on a play about a gay Jesus that marries two apostles in a gay wedding:

(link...)

Of course the comments are apoplectic and one said " this is a deperate attempt by radicals to incite violence, a major problem growing in our country today." My response was:

If you don't like the play, just don't go see it. Hallerin said this AM that you should just vote with your dollars and the free market will take care of all offensive speech. Weren't you LISTENING this morning?????

Hate it when that shoe is on the other foot.

R. Neal's picture

Somebody should tell HH about

Somebody should tell HH about 18 USC 871

jcgrim's picture

Remember Jim Adkisson?

Could someone remind David Gergan and Halloran Hill there has been bloodshed here in K-town at the Unitarian Church in 2008?

Adkisson's intention was to kill liberals.When police searched Adkisson's apartment they found it filled with books and newsletters penned by Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, and other right-wing hate talkers.

jcgrim's picture

Adkisson's Manifesto

He wrote this about his plans:

"Know this if nothing else: This was a hate crime. I hate the damn left-wing liberals. There is a vast left-wing conspiracy in this country & these liberals are working together to attack every decent & honorable institution in the nation, trying to turn this country into a communist state. Shame on them....

"This was a symbolic killing. Who I wanted to kill was every Democrat in the Senate & House, the 100 people in Bernard Goldberg's book. I'd like to kill everyone in the mainstream media. But I know those people were inaccessible to me. I couldn't get to the generals & high ranking officers of the Marxist movement so I went after the foot soldiers, the chickenshit liberals that vote in these traitorous people. Someone had to get the ball rolling. I volunteered. I hope others do the same. It's the only way we can rid America of this cancerous pestilence."

"I thought I'd do something good for this Country Kill Democrats til the cops kill me....Liberals are a pest like termites. Millions of them Each little bite contributes to the downfall of this great nation. The only way we can rid ourselves of this evil is to kill them in the streets. Kill them where they gather. I'd like to encourage other like minded people to do what I've done. If life aint worth living anymore don't just kill yourself. do something for your Country before you go. Go Kill Liberals.

sugarfatpie's picture

Thanks for posting this!

Thanks for posting this!

Seems like Adkisson was a tea bagger before his time. Of course not all of them are as deranged as he is, but you wouldn't know it from the way they express themselves.

Factchecker's picture

The GOP needs more idiots

The GOP needs more idiots with functioning memories of 1778.

Eric Pearson for Congress's picture

I can tell you the Tea Party are not Progressives.

I can tell you the Tea Party are not Progressives.

The "progressive movement" is the root of all evil in American politics, a "cancer" and a "virus" and a "parasite" that has "infected" both the Democratic and Republican parties.

When Ronald Reagan labeled the Soviet Union as the “Evil Empire”, the progressives went nuts. When George Bush called Iran, Iraq and North Korea “The Axis of Evil” they went nuts again. Progressivism, the Americanized version of European and Asian socialism, is made up mostly of hard-core socialists and secular humanists. Progressivism does not recognize the concept of evil. It believes in the perfectibility of human nature and the promise of utopia here on earth to be brought about by the enlightened, benevolent hand of government.

Masquerading as the savior of humanity, in reality all socialism, whether labeled socialism, Nazism, fascism, communism, or progressivism is the very essence of evil. During the twentieth century, socialism in its various forms was responsible for the slaughter of untold millions of innocent people through genocide, war, and political purges. In the Union of Soviet Socialistic Republics, 60 million were slaughtered; under the Nationalist Socialists German Workers Party, 20 million; and under the People’s Republic of China, 50 million. Add to that the millions who died under Pol Pot, Castro, Ho Chi Minh, and other socialists dictators, and you have an unbelievable amount of human suffering that can only be ascribed to evil.

For those unfortunate enough to live under one of the forms of socialism, life consists of misery, oppression and deprivation. Considering the consistent failure of socialism during its hundred and fifty year history, it is difficult to understand how any sane person could voluntarily choose it as the preferred systems of government and economics. There has never been an experiment in socialism of any duration that can be pointed to as an example of a successful culture. Every time it is tried, it fails miserably. To understand this incongruity of human experience we only have to look at the recent history of our own country.

Socialism is never presented as “socialism”. In fact, the most ardent supporters of socialist policies are offended when someone identifies them as socialists. In America, socialism is sold under the pseudonyms of “liberalism”, “progressivism” and occasionally “fiscal conservatism“. For that reason, most people who support socialist policies do so without knowing they are embracing socialism. The essence of socialism is deception. At first glance, it appears that socialist policies are motivated by the highest of human ideals, compassion, concern, caring, sympathy, etc. Socialists’ appeals are made on behalf of the poor, the children, the disenfranchised, and those who have been unfortunate in life’s lottery. The reality is that socialism appeals to the basest of human flaws: jealousy, hatred, greed and envy.

Progressives’ most potent weapon against capitalism is class envy and jealousy. Early on, they perfected the technique of demonizing “big business”. In the late eighteen hundreds progressives discovered that if they stereotyped “big businesses” as the enemy of the very people they served, the people, in return would grant progressives political power, not only over businesses but in other areas as well. Politicians found that by blaming the “robber barons of industry” for the ills of society— and there were many— they could win votes and support for their policies by posing as champions of the oppressed.

In the early stages of the progressive era, the targets were the railroads, oil companies, steel companies, tobacco companies, and others who were instrumental in raising the standard of living for the American People. Progressive demonization of “big business” reached a high point under President William McKinley in 1898 with the formation of the “U.S. Industrial Commission on Trusts”. Theodore Roosevelt won the Presidency in 1900 on the basis of his attacks on “big business”, and “trust busting” became the theme for his time in office. However, William Howard Taft who succeeded Roosevelt as President was even more successful, breaking up 90 large firms during his four years in office compared with Roosevelt’s 44 during his eight-year term.

The vilification of “big business” proved so politically successful for the progressives in the beginning that they have continued to use the tactic ever since to gain public support for their policies. The “villain du jour” currently is the insurance industry. A year ago, it was the banks. It all depends on what progressive policy is being pushed at the time. By successfully blaming the banking industry for our current economic woes rather than destructive government economic policies, Congress was able to gain support for its “bailout” packages. It is now attempting the same thing with health care, blaming insurance company “greed” for its high cost in order to gain support for their “reform” proposals.

Unfortunately, it seems to be working. The entity most often blamed by the media, and ultimately the public, for the exorbitant cost of health care is insurance company greed. The fact is that insurance companies are in general no more profitable than other companies of similar size, and a large percentage of their profits come from investments, not premiums. The real greed comes not from capitalism but from progressivism. The number one attraction of progressivism is its promise to provide the public with economic benefits they have not earned by forcefully taking from the earnings of others. This attitude is the epitome of greed.

Deception, corruption, envy, greed, jealously, coercion, thievery and wholesale murder mark the existence of socialism in the world. Socialism in America is represented by the progressives in and out of government, primarily in the Democratic Party but extant in the Republican Party as well, only to a lesser degree. The true “Axis of Evil” in America, that threatens to destroy the most successful system of government in world history are the progressive politicians, public sector unions, and federal bureaucracies.

In other words, for a progressive it is better to make everyone live in safety as a slave than to live in danger with Liberty. Progressives feel they are entitled to all of the best that life has to offer whether or not they contribute to their own success. Progressives are the cancer, the plague that could eventually destroy mankind and any remote concept of Freedom. Not to mention, the world economy and America as we know it.

Click here and watch an indoctrination video made by progressives for our children.

Eric Pearson, Democratic Party candidate for US Congress in the 5th district, Tennessee.

Site: (link...)

Andy Axel's picture

Speaking of thievery:

sugarfatpie's picture

Bet you we don't hear again

Bet you we don't hear again from Mr Pearson.
Plagiarists hate admitting to their crime and like to hide when caught.

Eric Pearson, for Congress's picture

I tell the truth unlike many other people.

I fully admit the above posting was put together from a combination of several articles.

Eric Pearson, Democratic Party candidate for US Congress in the 5th district, Tennessee.

Site: (link...)

sugarfatpie's picture

You tell the truth..after you're busted.

How courageous!
You tell the truth..after you're busted.

Just what are you trying to achieve with your campaign?

Your website is nice, but if your polls are any indication, you have about 16 supporters.

Rachel's picture

Progressivism does not

Progressivism does not recognize the concept of evil.

I'm a progressive - and a liberal - and I recognize the concept of evil. I belive I caught more than a whiff of it in your post.

Bbeanster's picture

Phew, EricPearsonfor

Phew, EricPearsonforCongress.

Are you paid by the word? You got 1,103 for them posted up there. That's talent!

p.s.: Would it kill you to use spellcheck once in awhile?

Anonymously Nine's picture

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"Are you paid by the word? You got 1,103 for them posted up there. That's talent!"

Be serious, he can't compete with Tamara. No one can.

Factchecker's picture

Mighty Wurlitzer still working

Wow. That Mister Tennessee DemocratforCongress is on the same page as Glenn Beck, as well as those uber-conservatives in Illinois.

SmackontheWeb's picture

Mighty Wurlitzer still working

Very, VERY much on the same page. Probably is the same page.

talidapali's picture

I just wish there...

was a way to ignore Ericwhatchamadoodleforcongress (NOT VERIFIED) so I don't have to read his bullshit posts...I already ignored him once...that should have been enough.

redmondkr's picture

I love the way you think,

I love the way you think, Tali.

redmondkr's picture

'Put together' as in copy and

'Put together' as in copy and paste.

You didn't even bother to weed out the 'Click here and watch an indoctrination video made by progressives for our children.' from your borrowed page.

You could at least learn how to preserve the original hyperlink when you steal material.

Eric Pearson, for Congress's picture

Here is the hyperlink to

Here is the hyperlink to everythin you requested:

(link...)

Eric Pearson, Democratic Party candidate for US Congress in the 5th district, Tennessee.

Site: (link...)

Andy Axel's picture

He said "reputable sources."

He said "reputable sources." Not a repository of unoriginal thoughts and stolen text.

journalist's picture

Are teabaggers domestic terrorists?

Some might be, but I'll wager the majority are just frightened, undereducated, and misinformed citizens who've been whipped into a frenzy by right-wing radio and Fox News 'hate hosts.' Frankly, I'm more concerned with Christian militia terrorism than I am with a group of people who were so clueless that they first termed themselves 'Teabaggers' (eeeewww to that).

Case in point for my concern, the recent arrest of nine members of Hutaree, Christian terrorists who were allegedly planning to kill law enforcement officers. That they seem to believe themselves to be Christians is just as mind-boggling as their terrorist machinations.
(link...)

I'm curious to see if anything ugly occurs from other Christian militia terrorists on April 19 (anniversary of Ruby Ridge and Timothy McVeigh's domestic terrorism).

redmondkr's picture

I checked, and the tea party

I checked, and the tea party is not involved with anything you said

Trust me , I checked.

If you say the sun is shining, a trip to the window for verification would be in order.

If you want I can post the information.

Gonna steal some more text?

Eric Pearson, for Congress's picture

You can't hide the truth.

You can't hide the truth, for everything is posted on the Democratic Party News site I started for honest Democrats telling the truth. You can view the articles for yourself at:

(link...)

Eric Pearson, Democratic Party candidate for US Congress in the 5th district, Tennessee.

Site: (link...)

sugarfatpie's picture

Nice amalgam of total

Nice amalgam of total wing-nut stuff that neither party will touch,and GOP talking points.

Have you considered that you might be barking up the wrong tree, party-wise.

The Tea Baggers are dragging the GOP much closer to your point of view. The Dems, are gleefully watching said party march off a cliff. I doubt you'll convince many Dems. Most of the one's you would stand a chance with have already become Republicans.

R. Neal's picture

You're not a Democrat. Please

You are not a Democrat. Please stop posting this crap here.

B Harmon's picture

enough

Can we vote him off the site? He is just a silly nuisance even if some of you are having fun baiting him. It's like watching my cat play with a bug, batting it around and just teasing it.

SmackontheWeb's picture

Terrorist Teabaggers

Domestic terrorist defined: Title 18 Part I U.S.C. Chapter 113B § 2331 Definitions

Terrorism defined: Title 22 Chapter 38 § 2656

I'm no lawyer but do you really have to be one to figure this one out?

sugarfatpie's picture

30 governors threatened by "Guardians of the Republic"

(link...)

Strange thing is, even Nevada's Tea Bagger-friendly governor got one.

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