Thu
Sep 28 2006
09:57 pm

 

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 Stolen from http://sensoryoverload.typepad.com/sensory_overload/

[UPDATE 10/03/06:]
In my reply to one of the comments my post got I made a statement that very specifically referred to the republican party "currently ".  So naturally the first replies to my reply were the history lessons.  Apparently the word "currently" means something different to republicans.

And as far as Mr Steele goes, I guess since we are both black we have to agree on everything regardless of party (personally I don't see how republicans can support him since he must agree with me on some pretty unrepublican positions since we're both black and all.).

 (I think I will make this an edit on the initial post too.)

Human society and it's constituent societies are Complex Adaptive Systems.  The rules of Complexity theory can be liberally applied to predict and explain.  Most likely, there are many reasons for the maps looking like they look, but in the interim analysis, you have to admit that what they look like is what they look like.  As to whether that is the first step to recovery ...

JaHu's picture

It's good to see that

It's good to see that Maryland and Deleware came to their senses.

Rich Hailey's picture

My own damn conclusions

Any or all or none of the following:

1. That the South did win after all.
2. That the Civil War really was about States Rights.
3. That North and South should have been separate countries all along.
4. That Abraham Lincoln was a Democrat in disguise.
5. It's something in the water.

cafkia's picture

You forgot ...

6. That the republican party currently, and conservatives in general, is  inherently racist.

 CAFKIA (You know, the black guy that posts here.)

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It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.
  - William G. McAdoo

SayUncle's picture

This is probably the dumbest

This is probably the dumbest thing I've ever seen posted here.

I'm sure any minute now, metulj and axel will tells us what's wrong with your lame ass implication of correlation and causation.

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SayUncle
Can't we all just get a long gun?

Brian A.'s picture

Not this one

2. That the Civil War really was about States Rights.

Brian A.
I'd rather be cycling.

cafkia's picture

None. Zero. Zip. Nada. Zilch

There.  Now you know my credentials as a statistician.  However(comma) I could produce a number of annecdotal examples of my abilities to provoke thought. (ok, sometimes it is really shitty thought  but still ...)

I don't know why those maps look like they do.(allowing for a small measure of inaccuracy)  I suspect that like many things, there is no single and simple explanation.  I do think that there could possibly, somewhere, maybe (did I say possibly?) be someone who sees that graphic and does a bit of introspection as a result.  I hope it isn't out of the realm of reason that multiple individuals could have that reaction.

I will form or have formed opinions as to why that graphic is that way.  I will modify those opinions if facts which are not available to me now become so and, such facts indicate a modification is needed.  No one, including me, is automatically exonerated as part of the causality by any opinion I have formed so far.

Besides, 63.84% of statistics are made up on the spot.

 CAFKIA

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It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.
  - William G. McAdoo

GS's picture

You're such an optimist

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Andy Axel's picture

I'm sure any minute now,

I'm sure any minute now, metulj and axel will tells us what's wrong with your lame ass implication of correlation and causation.

Sorry, I've been out honing my high school debate terminology, so I missed the boat on this one.

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On tops of mountains, as everywhere to hopeful souls, it is always morning. --H. Thoreau

Eleanor A's picture

Hm. If the GOP is so

Hm. If the GOP is so progressive on racial and equality issues, how come there's not one single elected black Republican in the U.S. Congress - even though there are record numbers of blacks serving in Congress as a whole this year? Speaking of Congress, how come there are twice as many Democratic women as Republican, and three times more Democratic Hispanics as Republican?

Why did the GOP's candidate for Vice President openly and vociferously oppose the Martin Luther King Jr. National Holiday? Is there some reason the U.S. Congress, which right now is controlled entirely by Republicans, won't fully fund the national Martin Luther King Memorial being planned for the Mall in Washington?

How come the U.S. Senator who withdrew from the Democratic Party in 1948 - over desegregation - to start his own party, shortly thereafter converted to Republicanism in a blood-red state where he was re-elected for the next 40 years? How come a bunch of Republicans tried just this year to delay or defeat the re-certification of the Civil Rights Act? How come a bunch of them tried to play down the 10-hour lines to vote in 2004 in black districts - even though the Civil Rights Act says proof of discrimination is not required? Why are seven of the nine states requiring preclearance from DOJ before the voting procedures are changed in the Republican-dominated South? Why is the Republican U.S. Senate candidate in Virginia under fire for using a racist slur against a detractor?

So you're saying there's no racism any more in red states? Interesting. I suspect a few hundred thousand Katrina evacuees, and the family of James Byrd, might disagree.

Andy Axel's picture

The Southern Strategy is

The Southern Strategy is just a fable anyway, right?

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Andy Axel's picture

Whoops. Forgot to close my

Whoops. Forgot to close my [sarcasm] tag.

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On tops of mountains, as everywhere to hopeful souls, it is always morning. --H. Thoreau

bill young's picture

25 votes

nixon was only 25 votes over majority @ the '68 convention....the southern strategy was a tatic used to keep southern votes in line for nixon over reagan...the truth is ole strom,wanted to back a winner..he didn't believe reagan could win..& thought nixon could...ole strom,racist pig that he was,paid no mind to the fact that nixon had won 40% of the black vote in '60...ole strom wanted back in the oval office after 20yrs of exile... hell it was the communist that was stirrin everything up & nixon was tough on those sum bitches...the thing thats odd is how agnew changed from rockefeller to nixon & became the so called deal that kept the south in line...i think nixon took agnew because he never was going to give the vp any thing to do...so it it didn't matter who was there

RedDog's picture

You forgot ...

 

Submitted by cafkia on Fri, 2006/09/29 - 6:14am.

6. That the republican party currently, and conservatives in general, is  inherently racist.

 CAFKIA (You know, the black guy that posts here.)

Have you tried asking Michael S. Steele about that?

RedDog's picture

6. That the republican party

6. That the republican party currently, and conservatives in general, is  inherently racist.

 CAFKIA (You know, the black guy that posts here.)

 

Hummm - have you thanked the Republicans that passed the Civil Rights Act and broke the Democrate Party's efforts to prevent its passage?

 

I guess you support Robert "Sheets" Byrd? George Wallace? How about Lester Maddox?

 

 

j4's picture

Mr. Dog:Please don't

Mr. Dog:
Please don't pretend you are not fimiliar with the 'Southern Strategy.' Let's stop talking falsely.

Thanks,
J4

Never underestimate man's ability to create or destroy.

Les Jones's picture

We shouldn't forget the Screaming Blue Messiah

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"I still want to be the candidate for guys with Confederate flags in their pickup trucks."

 -- Howard Dean

Anonymous's picture

Wow, I didn't know Iowa was

Wow, I didn't know Iowa was still undecided.

SayUncle's picture

'What are your credentials

'What are your credentials as a statistician? '

I am not a statistician. There were those three stat classes I took in undergrad which probably make me as credentialed as a grad student in geography.

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SayUncle
Can't we all just get a long gun?

Scorpio's picture

I am not sure that map is accurate.

I think Kansas was admitted before the Civil War, and it was a free state. That is partly why Quantrell burnt Lawrence, KS to the ground and murdered all the men he could find.

Crimsonnape's picture

Hmmm.

A Republican president who grew up in a red state fought the war to end slavery, a Republican general from a red state led the army to victory in that war, the rough draft of the Emancipation Proclamation was written by a Republican....

j4's picture

Mr. Nape: Please don't

Mr. Nape: Please don't pretend you are not fimiliar with the 'Southern Strategy.' Let's stop talking falsely. Thanks, J4 Never underestimate mans ability to create or destroy.
bill young's picture

southern votes

in '48 the gop did not win 1 state in the south...in '04 the gop did not lose 1 state in the south....in '48 the gop got 19% of the vote in ala,13%in ga & 3% in miss,all three voted for thurmond...ala,ga & miss also went with goldwater & george wallace..in '48 gop got 37% in tn,33% in fla & 41% in va..all three went with...ike,nixon(3times)but not Barry Goldwater....& va was the only southern state NOT to go with carter in '76....texas went with ike but LBJ held the state in '60,'64 & '68 but since the gop has won 6 of 7 (carter '76)....ole strom brought put sc in the gop colume in '68

Les Jones's picture

Cherry pick your data mcuh

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Hey, Les, why don't we just call each other assholes and get it over with. - Somebody on the old Southknoxbubba.net (if that was you, claim your quote and win net.fame!)

Sven's picture

Your ticket to the Civil

Your ticket to the Civil Discourse Cotillion is it the mail, Les.

 

Crimsnnape2's picture

Please....

J4, please don't pretend there is any significant relevance between these two maps or are you Southerners really that racist?

Why has all the major modern racial unrest in the U.S. in the last 25 years occured in Blue states or non-slave states?

cafkia's picture

Reading comprehension skills??

In my reply to one of the comments my post got I made a statement that very specifically referred to the republican party "currently ".  So naturally the first replies to my reply were the history lessons.  Apparently the word "currently" means something different to republicans.

And as far as Mr Steele goes, I guess since we are both black we have to agree on everything regardless of party (personally I don't see how republicans can support him since he must agree with me on some pretty unrepublican positions since we're both black and all.).

 (I think I will make this an edit on the initial post too.)

Human society as a whole and it's constituent societies are Complex Adaptive Systems.  The rules of Complexity theory can be liberally applied to predict and explain.  Most likely, there are many reasons for the maps looking like they look, but in the interim analysis, you have to admit that what they look like is what they look like.  As to whether that is the first step to recovery ...

CAFKIA 

----------------------------------------------------------- 

It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.
  - William G. McAdoo

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