Knoxville's first livability summit occurred yesterday with approximately 400 in attendance. The focus was on making communities more accessible for everyone, with a specific focus on the elderly and infirm.
“These retirement communities have everything you need on campus, with a nursing home, literally, at the end,” Stafford said. “They have churches, libraries, shopping and drugstores.”
The problem with these places, besides separating the elderly from other age groups, is that they are often very expensive to live in — an unnecessary expense, Stafford pointed out, if community leaders developed towns properly.
It is hard for me to see livable communities in the Knoxville and surrounding communities. There are few neighborhoods that have easy access to grocery stores, pharmacies, and the minimal shopping for day to day living. It used to be the case in South Knoxville you could walk or ride a bus (without having to transfer downtown) to Sevier Avenue and get all of the necessities, not any more.
Where in Knoxville or the surrounding communities can you live and walk on a sidewalk to a grocery store? Or easily ride a bus to and from?
I tend to agree with Cathy, "If we're going to wax poetic about park dreams [or livability], I think sidewalks and trails to access Lakeshore [grocers, etc.] would be smarter than paving more parking lots."
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Forest Park.
Forest Park.
The Sutherland Ave/Kingston
(in reply to R. Neal)
The Sutherland Ave/Kingston Pike area has plenty of sidewalks, but few meet ADA standards as a path to shopping.There are plenty of curb cuts but it only takes one missing cut to close the route. Many of the sidewalks in this area have power poles in the middle of narrow sidewalks. The sidewalks along Sutherland from Concord St to West High, Hollywood Rd, Tobler Rd, and sections of Kingston Pike, are unusable to scooters. The Mayor met with the neighborhood several months ago and within days the city was out surveying the problem. I understand city has developed plans to makes the area ADA friendly.
There are very few sidewalks
(in reply to Joe328)
There are very few sidewalks in Knoxville that are ADA compliant. It is good there are existing sidewalks in some areas that can eventually be modified for ADA compliance.
All new sidewalks are built
(in reply to bizgrrl)
All new sidewalks are built to ADA standards. Retrofitting old sidewalks is difficult, and VERY expensive.
New sidewalks are very
(in reply to Rachel)
New sidewalks are very expensive, especially in existing areas. I would think it cheaper to retrofit, I could be wrong. I wonder how often new sidewalks (not retrofit) get installed in older areas.
I disagree on cost and ADA.
(in reply to Rachel)
I disagree on cost and ADA. At next City Council meeting, City Engineering is requesting a contract to upgrade 1550 ft of sidewalks along Gay St to remove trip hazards and bring into ADA compliance. The bid is just under $40K. The new sidewalk planned along Kingston Pike from Papermill to Westley is about 1,300 ft at a cost of $1 million. That's about $25 LF for updating and $750 LF for new construction.
ADA code for new construction requires ramps no exceed 8.5 deg slope, have 36" dia clear at top of ramp, not to exceed 2 deg cross gradient slope, ingress and egress must have marked crosswalks, sidewalk travel paths must be unobstructed, and drainage must must be designed to prevent ponding of water a ramps. Sidewalks built before 1991 have different standards, but must meet a minimum standard. Knoxville has constructed many sidewalks since 1991 with power poles in the pathway, no crosswalks, ponding water that freezes in the winter, no curb cuts at marked crosswalks, crosswalks that don't align with ramps, no 36' dia pad at top of ramp, and a few more problems. On trash pick-up day many neighbor sidewalks are closed to handicapped citizens. Many older sidewalks were mostly ADA compliant and passable with a scooter, but the widening of many roads required the narrowing of sidewalks which resulted in new sidewalks with power poles in the pathway.
Blount County( including Maryville, Alcoa, Townsend) builds greenways, sidewalks, crosswalks, and other pedestrian pathways for much less than Knoxville. Blount County also meet or exceeds all ADA codes.
Sidewalk on Kingston pike?
(in reply to Joe328)
Will the sidewalk on be wide enough for multi-use (bicycle) traffic? Will there finally be that magic connector that allows pedestrian and bicycles to safely pass the Deane Hill/ Bearden Hill/ Fourth Creek obstacle without skulking around and hoping holes in fences don't get fixed?
Edit: I should probably add that the ride is doable now. It is just a grade above beginner/novice. There are roads and bridges currently skirting these obstacles, but riding through them on a bike can be hairy.
Golf cart trails
Many communities in Florida have golf cart trails -- very handy for moving from home to shopping. Seems in Knox County even when TDOT builds sidewalks, like on Emory Road, the sidewalks are too narrow for even two people to walk side-by-side. And the trade-off for sidewalks is no shoulders for bikes, etc.
Fellini Krogers
The broadway shopping center is pretty accessible - though topography is an issue across the street you do see elders making the trek. There's a grade level connection to 1st creek greenway now, as that expands it will connect more neighborhoods.
There's a back entrance to the office depot/ food city/ K mart shopping center from the Fairmont / Emoriland neighborhood. Not all sidewalked but pretty low traffic. Then you've got restaurants and more shopping on broadway. Low traffic connection to the library.
I agree with Bubba that Forest Park / Sutherland is the best. There aren't sidewalks everywhere but they are there where you need them.
Interesting, two good and
Interesting, two good and very old communities mentioned. They don't build them like that anymore.
Whatever development occurs
Whatever development occurs on the St. Mary's site could be an opportunity for a community designed to meet the criteria of 'livable.'
Accessibility
Residents worked hard to get crosswalks at Forest hills/park blvd. (I lived on Forest Hills for 20 years and was very involved) and to get the greenway along Sutherland, which was funded many years before it was built. It was finally installed after a public meeting was held at West a High to pressure Haslam. The Sutherland greenway branches down Forest Hills to K.P., by way of a widened sidewalk. It would be a short jump over to Homberg and the historic Bearden neighborhood (behind Buddy's) via easements bordering Cherokee CC and one massive church at Northshore Westland/Lyons View. This would extend access to huge numbers of pedestrians, scooters, cyclists. CCC and the aforementioned church are opposed, but public easements don't belong to them. Enough public pressure could make it happen.
An opportunity to weigh in...
WORKSHOP TO EXPLORE WHAT MAKES A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD
The Office of Neighborhoods and the Knox County Health Department are partnering to host a community workshop on what makes a great and healthy neighborhood. The workshop is open to everyone and will be held Thursday, Nov. 19, from 6 to 7:30 p.m. at the Cansler YMCA, 616 Jessamine St.
During the workshop, residents will learn about strategies to advance these efforts and brainstorm together to come up with innovative ideas of their own. Presenters will include Sarah Bounse, Public Health Educator from the Knox County Health Department, and Susan Shin, AmeriCorps member at the City of Knoxville’s Office of Neighborhoods.
In addition, community leaders will learn how to work with available resources to create places of beauty and pride in their own neighborhoods.
Please RSVP by contacting Susan Shin at 865-215-3077 or sshin@knoxvilletn.gov. Light refreshments will be provided.
In Sunday, Nov. 15, 2015,
In Sunday, Nov. 15, 2015, edition of the KNS:
Marshall Stair: Commercial Zoning Code needs update for mixed-use living
I don't necessarily believe that every multi-story building with condos, apartments, residential living needs to have retail/restaurants on the first floor. I do like the idea of a mix of retail/restaurants and residential in communities.
Having parking in whole or
Having parking in whole or part, underneath and/or on top of a building, instead of around the edge on the same level seems like a better use of land.
For example. That might be a desirable requirement on the South Waterfront developments. That way what is currently considered parking area for a facility could be more park like space.