Looks impressive. They are doing it up right. Nice approach to waterfront development.

That photo made me think of The Flintstones getting that huge order of ribs at the drive-in that tipped their car over.

from knoxnews.com …

Thanks, in part, to a $15 million private gift, construction will begin next spring to open the waterfront, create new event spaces and build additional trails at Lakeshore Park.

Haslams, Pilot give $15 million for Lakeshore upgrades

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A test of faith?

This is nice. Would it be greedy to request some solar covered carports? Wouldn't add much to the cost, especially considering they would generate a lot of valuable electricity for many years. It's the future--just ask VW. Anyway, we need to start sometime. This would be a good place to do it.

Anonymous3's picture

Won't generate as much

Won't generate as much electricity as you might think. My work has solar panels covering 100 or more parking spaces. Our intranet has a dial showing electricity produced.One Nissan Leaf plugged in for recharging uses almost all of it. When you figure in clouds, rainy days, snow on the panels, I'm betting significant electricity no more than half the days of the year. We got a nice tax break for it though. The woman heading up our finances is a genius. Really.

bizgrrl's picture

Ha, snow on the panels?

Ha, snow on the panels?

fischbobber's picture

Specs on the system.

I would love to see the specs on that system in order to compare it to other solar standards. Those numbers sound a little low for a ten thousand square foot solar facility, roughly the size we're talking about. But, regardless, it would be interesting to see how the operation was put into effect from both a financial and productive perspective. A good solar panel should harvest light even on a cloudy day. All days are productive. Some are more productive than others.

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Anon3: From our "I don't believe you" Dept

4 to 5 solar panels should completely charge a Leaf. 100 parking spaces is a lot of panels. Either your company got ripped off or you are way wrong on your claim.

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I didn't know anyplace around

I didn't know anyplace around here had a parking lot solar installment that big. That would be a cool thing to see.

CathyMcCaughan's picture

e/v

A blink charger will suffice.

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I'm not asking for EV

I'm not asking for EV chargers, though they ought to just as well throw a few in. Just a cool (literally) place to shelter your car that literally pays for itself, however slowly.

Anon3, I know exactly what can be expected to be produced from solar panels in this area. Most of the time the panels are producing, there will be very few if any EV cars charging (unfortunately). The power goes right to the grid and a tax credit will pay 30% of the cost of the carport at least through 2016, which is a vote to propagate this kind of fossil fuel-relieving infrastructure.

How many panels do you have covering these 100 spaces at your work? I'll give you a decent estimate of what they should be producing.

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The lower efficiency

The lower efficiency non-crystalline panels are supposed to be very good in low light, but standard panels are not.

The few panels that I have at home (std polycrystalline) would cover an area of about one car, if rearranged to do so, and an average day's output (including shade and cloudy days) would charge a Leaf to about 1/3 capacity. So very roughly, a covering of 100 cars might be expected to fully charge 33 Leafs. That's an awesome amount of power, really. You can't do that with ICEs, unless you plant biofuel crops. Then it would take far more area, require it as arable land, and take a lot of work and other energy inputs to yield ethanol, and this would still have other problems matching up in an energy comparison.

But I'll wait to get the number of panels Anon3 actually is referring to. He should be able to stand back and count the rows.

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I wouldn't expect a fuel company to install solar panels

By definition, their business is selling gasoline and diesel fuel (along with milk, beer, munchies, coffee, soft drinks, and lottery tickets) don't much think their heart is in electric vehicles.

Maybe one of the emerging solar energy concerns can be persuaded to throw some recharging stations into the lot there at Lakeshore Park.

They've got plans to completely redo Rocky Hill Ballpark as well, which even without river access, is still a highly used local part.

fischbobber's picture

They?

Who is the "they" in the plans for a Rocky Hill upgrade?

Elwood Aspermonte's picture

They is Pilot, Inc.

Very nice design from CRJA landscape architects and Studio Four Design. Baseball fields, a multi purpose field, 6 covered basketball courts, play grounds, a couple of volleyball sites, plenty of storage, parking and a nice concessions stand, hope they get it assembled sooner rather than later

fischbobber's picture

Thank you for this information

It sounds great. Assuming it will be available to the general public for public use, it would be a welcome addition and upgrade. I wish them well in this endeavor.

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...don't much think their

...don't much think their heart is in electric vehicles.

Exactly. That's precisely why they need to step up. The history of big project good deeds is paved by people who realized they need to do something good for the world before they leave it. Joan Kroc, Andrew Carnegie, et. al. There's philanthropy for the sake of self-monumentation, like most of the giving the Haslams have done at UT, and there's the real deal. They're worth billions and Pilot hasn't really done much if any net good for the region. You listed very well how they made their fortune. Wouldn't hurt for them one scintilla to do this for their home.

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sidewalks

I like alternative fuel as much as the nearest hippie. I would love to plug my car in when I'm shopping the Farmer's Market at Lakeshore. If we're going to wax poetic about park dreams, I think sidewalks and trails to access Lakeshore would be smarter than paving more parking lots.

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Sidewalks and trails should take priority, agreed

I talked to the nearest hippie and he said, "That's a false choice, man. It doesn't have to be, like--you know, one or the other. Peace." Certainly there will be plenty of walking paths; it's a park. In fact you can walk anywhere there now and I've never seen motor traffic to be a problem. And no new asphalt is needed to cover the parking already there. Just cover some with solar panels to do it right and get the tax credit. Us Volt drivers probably wouldn't even bother to charge there. The blink rates are way too pricey.

Incidentally, we were just there today and there are many areas with large trees surrounded by orange plastic fencing, with signs that implore people not to park in the grass because it kills the trees. So why do people park under them? I'm going with shade. Solar carports could save those priceless old trees.

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West Knox has no sidewalks

A lifetime ago, we tried to get a Support Group started on the campus. People objected because it is too difficult to get there if you don't drive a car. We moved that group to a library on Kingston Pike and it thrived for years.

Why do people park in the grass? Because they're selfish. They park in the grass at every school my children have attended when there is almost always available parking that simply isn't as close to the door as that patch of lawn.

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Agree with all that, except

Agree with all that, except at Lakeshore parking closer doesn't seem to be the situation. Near the ultimate frisbee field, or whatever that is, the tree area is not much closer than the row of parking spaces but it's probably an arrogant frat thing to want to park your Jeep or pickup under the trees instead of conforming in the parallel spots. In the lower area, the trees that are fenced off are the farthest from the entrance to the play fields.

Sidewalks and bike paths first, but if we're getting a lot of money spent for our parks (ours, not the Haslams) the door is opened to other desirable things. There are lots of other places in town that would make really nice places for solar carports (Hello, Kroger!), and of course sidewalks and bike lanes should be even higher priority for public roads.

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Wider roads took West Knox's

Wider roads took West Knox's sidewalks. Not many city roads had sidewalks, but I do remember wide sidewalks where two bikes could pass. When you see power poles imbedded in the sidewalks thats where the road was widened by reducing the width of sidewalks and repaving them with power poles, hydrants, and mailboxes in the walking path. Knoxville could use better bus service where all routes have the same hours of operation. It's easy to transfer and ride into west Knoxville in the morning, but difficult to ride home after 6pm.

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A more interesting

A more interesting conversation, to me, would be about the status of mental health care in Tennessee since the privatization of services formerly provided at Lakeshore. How many patients are in the streets? In prisons? In other healthcare facilities?

(link...)

It appears likely the state Legislature will approve Commissioner of Mental Health Douglas Varney's extensive plan to revamp East Tennessee's mental-health services, which includes closing Knoxville's Lakeshore Mental Health Institute and giving state funds to private providers.

CathyMcCaughan's picture

Time marches on

The full-time residents were shipped places like Chattanooga, but that doesn't mean they stayed in their new facilities. It's hard to imagine the state that shuttered facilities, departments and programs putting a penny into researching the consequences. I do know that all of the people I knew who worked child and adult services are now working with seniors or in a completely different field altogether. Lakeshore will never feel "just like Central Park" for most of us.

Roscoe Persimmon's picture

You wonder what happened to the guy by the fence

at the corner of Lyons View and Northshore, he used to sit there on a bench for hours at a time and wave to all who drove by, often time getting a wave back, creating smile on an otherwise unknown person afflicted with truly unknown conditions.

The State barely can care for those with objectively identifiable physical ailments, don't know how they could manage and/or warehouse those whose minds were impaired with much harder to identify ailments or conditions.

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