But where in the world did that very clever but odd statement come from? I'm always eager to learn about other people's version of reality. It helps me broaden my own. I just couldn't come up with any Thompson attributes or policies that seemed similar to Obama's.

eternally sweet but basically mute spouse ala Laura or Barbara Bush.

Barbara Bush - sweet? You really haven't been paying attention.

If Barack Obama is not the nominee, I will vote for Hillary. As I said, she is far better than any Republican candidate. I like Edwards a lot, but I don't think he will hang in there to the end.

"you indulge every fantasy you have and dig the same tired furrow. It may not be the castrating, man-hating bull dyke script that Rush Limbaugh has been pimping lately, but it's not very far off."

You couldn't be more wrong here. A woman being supportive of another woman? What's wrong with that? What's wrong with expressing concern over what these past few weeks have meant in regards to Hillary's chances. Regardless of how you interpreted what I wrote, the truth is I felt supportive of Hillary. Castrating man-hating bull dyke scripts? What's so castrating about saying Hillary can stand on her own? Why shouldn't a woman suggest Bill Clinton was trodding too heavily on her campaign goals? I don't get the bull-dyke part either. I'm hardly that. I love men and all their wonderful attributes. That doesn't however mean I'm deaf, dumb and blind to the possibility they can sometimes in an over-zealous desire to protect us, make things worse. I fight my own battles and I know Hillary is quite capable of doing the same. That's all.

the kennedy deal

1.the '60 comparison of truman to clinton & obama to jfk..could only be pulled off by ted kennedy.It's a line that will be repeated over & over & defines bill clinton as yesterdays news & obama as the future.

2.Ted Kennedy's endorsement completes the sweep of mass democrats,the guv & kerry being the other two.No doubt this will give obama an organizational boost in the state & win him delegates.

3.Caroline Kennedy will help win obama delegates in NYC

Maybe Chelsea and Bill weren't sitting by her because the audience was seperated by their congressional or public standing? I hadn't thought about that until you mentioned Biden. I'm sorry, but I was watching CNN and in every shot except one, especially when she was unaware of the camera watching, she seemed very forlorn and sad. I guess it could be in the eyes of the beholder, but her expression evoked a powerful feeling of empathy and sympathy in me.

I was speaking from my own perspective as a woman

No, you were speaking from your own perspective. Don't try to speak for women. That's sexist.

We all have different, individual perspectives.

If I weighed what I felt to see who else agreed with me, my thoughts would not be my own, so I try to expess how I see things even when they concur with the current media bias. I'm very aware of the media's propoganda machine. It is often biased against Democrats, women, people of color, poor people, and just about every other group I feel aligned with. Still, when I feel something sincerely and feel motivted to explore it, I will not let the consideration of political correctness shut my mouth or close my heart. I don't think any comments I made about Bill or Hillary were vile. Harsh maybe, but not vile.

People can disagree with me. I'm not crusading to make everyone think like I do. I'm more interested in a free flow discussion of issues that I am interested in. I really enjoy that. I sometimes learn from it. Far be it from me to say I have no bias', and I agree we should at all times try to rid ourselves of them.

I just don't think it was bias that affected my perception in this case...though I will take that possibility under serious consideration.

I have it on pretty good authority that a large part of what put Hillary here is her 15-point lead in the polls in Tennessee.

As far as who's playing the race card here, I'm getting pretty tired of hearing Obama whine "Mommy, one of the Clintons hit me," every time the subject comes up. He's really trying to make racism charges against them stick, and it's getting fun to watch him getting increasingly frustrated when they won't.

It'd be one thing had Bill Clinton not set up his office in Harlem, selected Ron Brown for Commerce Secretary, if several leaders of HRC's campaign weren't African American (her chief of staff for 20 years is Maggie Williams, an Af-Am woman), etc.

Major league WORD!

"The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open."

Saw the photo on your post. I hope you know we're bringing the Cajun, Mr. Carville, to Knoxville on May 15 for our annual Truman Day Dinner. So, get your tickets NOW! I think Hillary went after Waters because she's a powerful voice in the black congressional caucus and her support might entice other African-American members of Congress or California's General Assembly to support her and because Joe Biden and Chris Dodd would both be viewed as angling for VP or a cabinet post and because Gore will not endorse anyone until a nominee is pretty certain.

Hm. Just another version of the double edged sword that gets used against HRC about every five minutes here on Knoxviews. I suppose if she *had* left, you'd be out here defending her against charges by conservatives that she didn't respect her own marriage vows, didn't have a problem making her child fatherless, etc.

Somehow I doubt it.

Honestly, the spleen being vented against Hillary in here would bother me, if I didn't know her campaign could take both this type of talk and the worst of what the Republicans will dish out. It sure isn't Hillary that's looking weak and ineffectual about now. Furthermore, had the Kennedys endorsed Hillary, Obama would be out there trying to paint them as the Establishment figures they are. What's Kennedy been in the Senate now, 30-some years? Wow. Cutting-edge.

When are his supporters going to realize how badly Obama wants to have nearly everything both ways? He claims to be so pure about accepting money from lobbyists, while accepting bushels of money from the corporations who hire the lobbyists, and while a longtime contributor and associate of his goes to jail. He claims to be so visionary, while stealing virtually entire speeches (here's the ironic part) both from Bill Clinton himself and from Martin Luther King.

I'll get behind him should he miraculously win this nomination, but I don't think he's got any more chance of beating the Republicans than the man in the moon. Not while he's fixating on this cult of personality stuff (which is the ONLY thing he's got over Hillary - see Andy's link above in which Clinton and Obama's voting records are identical...here's another one on the Iraq votes), and he's busily trying to marginalize Bill Clinton's power by stirring up a bunch of BS over made-up racism charges. Which will never stick, and I hope he keeps it up, since it's really fun to watch him try to whittle down one of the Clintons' greatest strengths using a bunch of foolishness.

As far as being "over" the Clintons, anyone typing that wasn't at TSU the other night, when people nearly started a riot over not being allowed into the auditorium to hear Hillary speak. Yeah, right. "Over" the budget surplus left by Bill Clinton, "over" the sound economy we enjoyed over his term, "over" not being the laughingstock of the entire planet while Bush steals elections and makes our democracy look like a sham, "over" actual blacks and women and gays getting positions of power, "over" actual diplomacy as opposed to pouring money down the toilet in an endless war effort. What I'm hearing from the hundreds of voters I'm talking to every day on the campaign certainly doesn't sound like they're "over" any of that. Quite the contrary.

I'll give y'all one thing. It's been pure political theater. I'm getting a little tired of eating popcorn, though...seven more days till Tsunami Tuesday.

I'm not pretending. I honestly do not understand how any person, man or woman, can attempt to make that decision -- to stay or leave -- for any other person. Opinion is one thing, but to step inside her future mind and say she would rather be divorced is over the line.

And, any one who knows me knows that I don't pretend anything. I'm straightforward all the time. My name is on my post, for instance. Where's yours?

As for the Clintons' marriage. I've seen it up close, on a regular basis for nearly a decade. I probably know more than most people on this forum, but I still wouldn't pretend to know what it is or isn't.

pgs

Pam Strickland

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut

I dunno, Angry Guy. Why don't you hop off your seat over at Tennessee GOP HQ and enlighten me?

Because so far I don't think you're impressing many people with your sparkling rhetoric.

was it so important to unveil the Waters endorsement?

Seriously? John Waters endorsed Hillary Clinton? If that's the case then Edwards and Obama can both go to hell as far as I'm concerned. I love John Waters and his movies, and his endorsement is more powerful to me than all the Kennedys combined.

Angry Guy agrees with the Captain.

2) Neither Clinton nor Obama can win in November.

As hesitant as I am to intervene in this family quarrel, this continuing argument for Edwards - that he's the only candidate that can win in November - fascinates me. How is it you believe that a candidate that hasn't won a single primary this go around (coming in third in the state of his birth), a guy who couldn't even swing his own home state in 2004 - can win the general election? Perhaps ANY of the Dems can win in November, given the nature of the times and the quality of the competition, but what is it about Edward's track record that you find makes him so "electable"?