Fri
Dec 5 2014
07:38 am
By: Tamara Shepherd
In the Christian Science Monitor yesterday (with some pithy links therein), Why conservatives and liberals are united on Eric Garner case (+video).
Statement from the conservative Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention:
"[A] government that can choke a man to death on video for selling cigarettes is not a government living up to a biblical definition of justice or any recognizable definition of justice."
Yep.
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I'm surprised at the
I'm surprised at the statement by the Southern Baptists, given their history of supporting slavery and Jim Crow laws.
The South has a different
(in reply to oldnorthknoxhippy)
The South has a different view on police shootings. Within three weeks after a white officer shot a black man. The Officer was fired, jailed, and is facing 20 years in prison.
(link...)
Newport, TN, with a population of 98% white, elected Roland Dykes, a black man, as mayor and reelected him for a second term. He died of cancer during his second term. The only doctor serving Cosby, TN during the depression was black. During the early 1900s Mrs McMahan, a black teacher, taught both blacks and whites in Sevierville, TN.
The Union admitted West Virginia as slave state, which gave the Union four slave states. Connecticut was phasing out slavery and it's believed all slaves were freed early during the war.
This a problem with every citizen, not just blacks, whites, northerners, southerners, Democrats, Republicans, or christians. All citizens need to be involved to make changes that can effect anyone at anytime.
I think this one boils down pretty simply
It leaves two kinds of people.
Those with a conscience, and those without.
This one reminds me of Andre
This one reminds me of Andre Stensen, whose last words were the same as Garner's – "I can't breathe."
The cop sitting on his back said "If you can talk, you can breathe."
The ME ruled that Stensen died of a rare, heretofore undiagnosed heart condition, not from suffocation.
Don't forget
(in reply to Bbeanster)
KPD wouldn't let Rural/Metro tend to him. It disturbed paramedics so much they filed a report on it.
You're exactly right,
You're exactly right, Jamie.
Was hoping you'd chime in on this one, since you were all over that case, and I figured you'd remember that Stensen's last words were exactly the same as Garner's.
The EMT who filed the report resigned and moved away shortly thereafter.
They didn't want Rural Metro to pick him up because he was already dead at the scene, and they didn't want to admit it. That's about the time they started spreading the rumor that he'd had a cocaine-induced heart attack. A registered nurse who was on her way to work that night stopped and was going to offer help. She witnessed chest compressions being administered to Stensen, which meant that his heart had already quit beating on the scene.
Their scenario blew up a few days later when toxicology came back clean.
Stensen was just an ex-con working in Calhoun's kitchen to try to support his family who couldn't afford the high risk auto insurance he'd have to carry to get his license back. He panicked and took off running when he was pulled over while driving Alondo Murphy's car that evening.
Sad, sad state of affairs.
Yep
(in reply to Bbeanster)
And it came at a time when KPD also was killing black and hispanic men by shooting them. Under pressure, the city created paper tiger PARC. We had the old guy on the toilet into whose home KPD barged and then tried to claim he was going for a rusty old shotgun (though he died literally on the toilet with his pants down), the kid at the bottom of the stairs threatening to kill himself with a knife when KPD chose to tell its negotiator to get out of the way and stormed down the steps, forcing a confrontation (negotiator sat on the steps crying and throwing up after) and the kid at Weigel's with a cellphone and not a gun. We are not immune here.
That said, a lot of the problem was Phil Keith, asleep at the wheel, and Foster Arnett, who started the Stenson cocaine rumor, and the cover-up mentality of that regime (McGoldrick anyone?) I think things are better now, not perfect, but better. I do fear this trend of hiring returning soldiers. Policing is way different than defending a battleground.
Fear the mercenaries coming home
(in reply to Jamie Satterfield)
A soldier typically has a enough honor to uphold the Constitution he/she fought for.
Eric Prince and Dick Cheney's boys - not so much.
As for policing, put a cop in riot gear, they see riots everywhere. Put them in a MRAP, they see potential war everywhere. Train them that when someone tenses up as the cuffs are put on, their life is being threatened - and you have what we have.
The only thing new here is the attention. Hopefully it will amount to meaningful change.
Don't forget the federal
(in reply to Average Guy)
Don't forget the federal government's military armament deals that local law enforcement are unable or unwilling to refuse.
No doubt
(in reply to Factchecker)
Any change for this or that city is window dressing. Real change will come from the halls of congress in DC if it's to come at all.
And it come at the expense of politicians on both sides turning down chunks of cash. So, sorry if I'm skeptical.
There is no possibility of
(in reply to Average Guy)
There is no possibility of real change coming from Washington DC. The powers that be own the politicians and the news media.
Those were dark days, Jamie,
Those were dark days, Jamie, and I've always thought you deserved some kind of medal, or something, for holding Keith and his command staff accountable – particularly with David McGoldrick, whose crime (probable DUI and hit-and-run of two young pedestrians) would never have been solved without your efforts.
The Juan Daniels (shot six times in his basement while threatening suicide with a knife as his family begged them to call his HRM caseworker) case was horrible, as was the Woodfin case (the old man shot of the commode). Both mentally ill, and were executed.
Those were dark days. I think things are getting better.
Greater issue
The thing I said privately back then I've been around long enough to say, eh screw it, people need to know: The reason KPD then and agencies now get away with treating the poor and powerless with such disregard is because no one gives a shit. (Sorry, Ron, for profanity but this calls for it.) Not once back in the, as Betty rightly calls the "dark days" of KPD did you see a protest, read an editorial, even see news coverage beyond mine and Betty's on the details of these killings. And the black leadership in this community? Right. Hey, Tank Strickland, Mark Brown, etc... where the heck were you at when KPD was killing your people? Harold Middlebrook tried. Diane Jordan made some noise. But that was it. And the white leadership? Victor Ashe attacked me, not the problem. I can't even remember who was county mayor cause whoever it was never once gave a rat's butt. County commission? City Council? Blind, deaf and dumb. And the people - well, those were bad people who deserved killing and my God, we need our police to protect our Mercedes and our swimming pools and businesses. Activists? Where were you? We're having freaking protests every other minute right now in Knoxville on all manner of stuff, wages, gay rights, Metro Pulse murder. It was all I could do back then to get Dewey Roberts, NAACP local chief, to give me a statement with any kind of substance to it.
I'm sorry if I sound bitter but even this many years later, I am. I know everyone thinks I'm a diva who makes a career out of mocking criminals. Obviously, you don't know my body of work but that's fine. But whether you believe it or not, I cried at these scenes. I cussed at these scenes. I stamped my feet. Of course, I channeled my energy at getting to the real story, the real facts, but it's a pretty lonely place to be when you watch the body of a tired old man whose only crime was to piss off his neighbors and whose life ended on a toilet be carried out of his house by his killers and no one gave a damn.
All this talk right now with Brown and Garner, it's good. But it won't last and we'll go right back to the way it's always been. It's THOSE people who suffer and we just don't care.
And one more thing. The cop who killed old man Woodfin? Still on the force and recently was involved in another fatal shooting.
Nobody cares when bad people
(in reply to Jamie Satterfield)
Nobody cares when bad people are being killed, even when their civil rights are being trampled beyond recognition. It makes me wonder what people in a a so-called Christian nation really believe.
Michael Mallincoat...
(in reply to Jamie Satterfield)
Couldn't breath either. He could have died. He got lucky that the Sheriff's Department sent him to the hospital. Brad Anders got a pass for that, despite your cussing and stamping of fee Scoop. You're not the person to lead this crusade. Moralize about something you are not such a hypocrite about.
That's not fair, Bad Paper
(in reply to Bad Paper Original )
That's cruel and unfair, Bad Paper troll. Thanks, Jamie, for your candor and important observations.
My theory of the moment is that the country was too obsessed with things like 9/11 and being allowed to live our "blessed American way of life," to paraphrase Ari Fleischer. Indeed, protect our swimming pools, the gated communities and such.
Trolls gotta troll...
(in reply to Factchecker)
Trolls gotta troll...
Accurate, unlike Scoop
(in reply to Factchecker)
(link...)
She covered for Anders. Big time. It was pathetic. Making it worse is her self appointed nickname "Scoop". And of course her new gig, "i am the queen of crime writing" (link...)
Not the queen of grammar apparently.
In case you missed it, a settlement was made for Mallicoat. (link...)
Anders will be the next Sheriff. You feel good about that?
Queen of crime writing also missed why Baumgartner fell asleep in court, he was a drug addict, and ended up costing us $5 million dollars to redo the court cases. Not to mention the extreme pain and suffering of the families of the Christian's and the Newsom's.
Yeah, "Queen of crime writing". More like self anointed Queen of crime writing.
But you defend that. Ok. Fine.
Mr. Anonymous
(in reply to Bad Paper Original )
I'm not going to bother arguing with you. Anyone interested can go back and look at my coverage of the beating, which I broke and you wouldn't have known otherwise nor would anything likely have resulted but for the coverage. Clearly, I was mistaken when I first said Anders wasn't on the video. Beyond that, I have included him in every story I did since that time. Baumgartner? Get out, dude. I broke that, hammered that, killed that coverage wise. I know you're going to respond with a whole bunch of anonymous jibberish. Have fun.
I remember what you left
(in reply to Jamie Satterfield)
I remember what you left out.
You also left out that Anders was a Commissioner. And how seriously Mallicoat was injured. WBIR, WATE, and WNFZ ran circles around you on that coverage. And they don't call themselves "the Queen of crime writing".
another nick name Queen?
(in reply to Bad Paper Original )
Egotistical much? Now you are the "Lady Justice Unmasked"?
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Bad Paper is #9. Ignore him.
(in reply to Jamie Satterfield)
Bad Paper is #9. Ignore him.
Agree. Waste of time.
(in reply to Rachel)
Agree. Waste of time.
And look at you, doing
(in reply to Bad Paper Original )
And look at you, doing nothing but throwing feces. It's all you do. Have you done anything constructive in this world?
Anders may run for sheriff,
(in reply to Bad Paper Original )
Anders may run for sheriff, but I have it in good authority that he's going to have strong opposition from somebody within the sheriff's office.
And the black leadership in
another good rhetorical question. ask this publicly and you might get branded 'racist.' kudos to Harold Middlebrook for always being out front on these issues ...
but on to the larger picture:
The murder of Emmett Till, the killing of the four young black girls, Addie Mae Collins, Cynthia Wesley, Carole Robertson and Denise McNair, in the 1963 church bombing in Birmingham, Alabama, the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., the killing by four officers of Amadou Diallo, and the recent killings of countless young black children and men and women, coupled with the ongoing and egregious incarceration of black men in this country are not isolated expressions of marginalized failures of a system. They are the system, a system of authoritarianism that has intensified without apology.
Henry Giroux, Truthout, December 6, 2014
(link...)
Let's not forget the black
(in reply to michael kaplan)
Let's not forget the black churches that were burned to the ground by the good white Christians in Mississippi in the sixties.
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The Princeton University Press and the Hebrew University of Jerusalem will soon release more of what are being called the Dead Sea Scrolls of Physics, the documents of Albert Einstein. In a 1946 document, he addressed what he called "The Negro Question" on the perceptions an adult immigrant adjusting to life in America.
We like to think that we've come a long way since the beginning of my lifetime in 1946 but we still have a long way to go.