VP Cheny has every right to give his opinion on the matters to which he spoke so well yesterday. The President, who seems to give a speech virtually every day about something, takes every opportunity to bash the previous administration. He keeps saying he wants to move forward but speaks as if he is still running and bashing. I think all of us are a little surprised to learn all this talk about water boarding only applied to 3 people. From the amount of coverage one would think all the prisoners
were subjected to it. I suggest we do move forward and allow the congress and the President to implement their plans and see where it takes us.

Keep harping on investigating Nancy Pelosi and what she knew when...I say fine...give them a THOROUGH investigation...let some of the top electronic forensics experts comb through the CIA and Bush administration hard drives and servers...lets bring the whole sordid, stinking, pustular mess out into the light of day and disinfect everything with SUNSHINE.

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He want to address our captured combatants midful of the "rule of law" and the constitutional guarantees applicable to detainees. On the face of those arguments, it seems plausible and perhaps well meaning, however, where was the "rule of law" when the government was brow beating Chrysler bondholders and lenders into submission, threatening to run their reputations and create going forward problems for them. Under the constitution, Congress shall no abridge contracts entered between parties, yet the government has done all they can do to thwart the rights and remdies these creditors of Chrysler (and eventually GM) regarding the billions of dollars they have invested in these businesses, such that the ownership of the manufacturers can be vested in the UAW.

In my opinion, Obama is just another political bully, using soundbites and speaking opportunities to advance his own political agenda and eventually he's take positions or advocate items which are not palatable to the American people and certainly not palatable to Democrats who have to run next year, of which there are several.

First, if you put Cheney in prison, it hurts the Democrats. He helps the Democrats more, the more he talks.

Second, he's trying to revise history and publicly make a case why he should not be tried, and, of course to make himself look better (link...)

Unfortunately, I think the media is missing the real reason Cheney promoted torture, and it's even more insidious than the reason Cheney is giving.

The real reason that Cheney and others promoted the use of torture was to send a message to the terrorists that the U.S. could be as ruthless and brutal as they were.

That was also the real reason for the Iraqi invasion: to send a message to the Arab countries, especially Saudi Arabia, that the U.S. would use force to advance our policies.

Shortly after we went into Iraq, the Saudis started raiding terror groups, with a large number of those terrorists being killed (dead men tell no tales). And a number of other countries started cracking down on terror groups in their countries.

So to get back to Cheney, never having served, he's one of those who think it's OK to send U.S. troops to the battlefield, and for some to their graves, to send "a message."

The truth is much worse than what the media, with its obsession for an Obama and Cheney (or anybody) superficial political cage match, is reporting.

the Iraq invasion was merely a low-hanging fruit deal.

Well, it wasn't exactly a secret, was it?

If you think about it, there was never much fuss from the Administration about EITs becoming public. The renditioning and secret prisons were a little different because of the exposure of other countries' complicity.

But all in all, for all that became public, it's as if the Administration didn't care or they wanted it to become public.

It's more than a little disturbing when you realize that the nation's leaders were/are championing techniques and tactics that many believed put the "evil" in Evil Empire and that led many on both sides of the aisle to denounce despots and dictators in the past.

is a lot like Heinrich Himmler defending the Third Reich and his Fuhrer.
I don't see any difference...

Much like Himmler manipulated Hitler Cheney manipulated Bush and as we know manipulated everything from the war in Iraq to quashing people who disagreed with him in the administration..to trying..we have learned to waterboarding a senior Iraqi intelligence officer to try to manufacture a link between Iraq and Al-Queda...

As much of a fascist as we have had in recent memory in a leadership position in our country...

I still believe the main motives for the Iraq invasion were the manipulation of crude oil prices and the opportunity for cronies to rebuild the country. Bush may have actually believed he would convert them all to born again Christians in the bargain.

Torture was a tool used to help fake a marketable pretense for the deed.

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that is one thing they can do with the tax dollars I leave with them every quarter. I really am not concerned about how they question islamic terrorist they have pulled from the middle east as long as they are not executing these prisoners like Americans are butchered in the Middle East. I'd ask Daniel Pearl's widow how we should treat these terrorist, she would know first hand the pain they have caused Americans, it's more than 9-11, its an ongoing process to ferret out people who would like to kill Americans because they are Americans and have planned or are planning to do so. The genocide of the American people and destruction of the American nation is on the minds and in the hearts of thousands of Islamic terrorist and the sooner we realize that this threat is out there, the sooner we can end the debate and let our military, our special forces, our special ops, our forces we know noting about, and our military tribunals do what they are designed to do and that is to protect American citizens, the better of we will be and the quicker Obama can continue his efforts to rebuild the American economy. For citiznes residing in America, security in our own nation from foreign threat is the governments primary function. The fact that our country has not been successfully attacked does not mean we are completely safe. We will never have a moment where Ryan Seacrest can tell America, "You Are Safe". It will not happen and we will never have that luxury ever again.

Islamic terrorist are not kids from the inner city who have come from a broken home, grew up on the wrong side of the tracks, made bad grades in school, got in trouble at an early age, didn't have a chance to get out of the hood, no, no, Islamic terrorist are educated, they are well read, most speak more than 2 languages, they have unusually high aptitudes, they are very well traveled, most have traveled to Western Europe, Africa, and even the United States before embarking on their mission to bring death and destruction to our nation. They have been taught that to kill Americans (or other infidels) particularly if they destroy themselves in the process, is a one way ticket to Paradise and the more innocent Americans they can take, the better off they will be in Paradise. If properly armed, they will not envy you, nor speak to you, nor your position in life, instinctively, they will shoot you in the head and then move on to the next innocent American standing next to you. This is their sole mission in life and is will take our collective resolution as a nation to survive these attempts to destroy our country. Let's pray they get no assistance from somebody like the army of North Korea, nor the army of China, particularly should our country default on the global monetary indebtedness we owe that nation, particularly under print it and spend it mentality of the current administration.

We don't need paranoid bedwetters like you anywhere near serious policy discussions.

Get up and out of Knoxville and the small town mentality and visit a few known and attempted terrorist targets and reside in some communities and places where peoples lives and daily habits have been and are constantly altered and interrupted by security/enhanced security to maintain a level of vigilance and caution. I seriously doubt the UT football stadium is a priority for the Department of Homeland Security and I doubt the Islamic jihad has settled on any targets or casualty opportunities in East Tennessee. Consider yourself and your community fortunate, however, don't expect to set national policy or defense strategy on what is not happening in the rural bygones of East Tennessee and don't put that token mentality anywhere near serious policy discussions.

Get up and out of Knoxville and the small town mentality and visit a few known and attempted terrorist targets and reside in some communities and places where peoples lives and daily habits have been and are constantly altered and interrupted by security/enhanced security to maintain a level of vigilance and caution.

You mean like New York City and Washington, D.C.? Both of which voted overwhelmingly for Obama?

Sorry Randy, but you probably should have left out the word probably in the subject line. And BTW, exactly where IS that W. guy?

So is he just getting older and crazier or trying to set stage for his daughters to run for something.

Here's the choices for Republicans:

General Colin Powell-- Professional Soldier

Former VP Dick Cheney-- Professional Politician

Talk show host Rush Limbaugh-- Professional Talker

Like a real commander, Powell is telling the truth and trying to help the party become successful by telling what it needs to do to better itself.

Like an experienced politician, Cheney's covering his can and trying to distract from his monumental failures of the last eight years.

Like an experienced celebrity, Limbaugh is doing whatever it takes to keep the crowd's attention on him.

For Republicans, the choice shouldn't be that hard. If it is, the party deserves to wind up in the ash can of history.

As you may not be aware (apparently), Democrats are having to brush off many of the self-same arguments used by the Republicans in defending the Bush administration for use in defending the Obama adminstration "national security" policies. Playing party politics (frat-rat gotcha) is just fine but best not lose contact with reality.

As you may not be aware (apparently), Democrats are having to brush off many of the self-same arguments used by the Republicans in defending the Bush administration for use in defending the Obama adminstration "national security" policies. Playing party politics (frat-rat gotcha) is just fine but best not lose contact with reality.

As you may not be aware (apparently), the GOP is at risk of becoming irrelevant. Will the party take a new path and abandon the Cheney/Limbaugh wing, or continue to bask in its self-righteousness as the voters continue to move away from it?

A group of people best described by an unrelated line in a book I read. They are mostly wrong but never in doubt.

Too many of the party faithful have presented issues in the "right or wrong" context. Some actually believe you cannot be a Democrat and a Christian. (link...)

What these people can't or don't want to understand is that extremism alienates. By its nature it is not welcoming or inclusive. Only when nurtured by fear and hate do extremist groups develop and grow. If GOP leaders continue to use those tactics and strategies, they deserve to have a dead party.

is touching. Nevertheless, we can only hope that it truly is headed for the dust bin of history. Now the Democrats, christians and all, will have no place to hide from accountability.

listening less to Cheney and more to BO--that is where the danger is today. Remember: he is the one who is in office. See e.g.,

(link...)

Dick Cheney lost contact with reality in the 1960s.

With reality and the draft board.

The neocons' new hero: "Deferment" Dick standing up to a combat veteran, four-star general.

I would like to submit the following quote, which, I believe says it all.

"Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of
a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel in order to be tough."

--Franklin D. Roosevelt

Now if only Cheney & others could read.............