Fri
Jan 14 2011
12:02 pm

Sounds pretty good, doesn't it? I'd like to suggest Knox County try it instead of the L&N STEM Academy.

As discussed earlier at KnoxViews, Austin-East is one of 13 schools in the State of Tennessee that continues to be a low-achiever, thus requiring intervention.The Knox County School board is considering whether to turn it over to the state while making a decision to spend $15.6 million on a 15th high school.

Community schools were brought up earlier at KnoxViews by Lisa Starbuck

In a nutshell, the idea is that our school buildings should be the centers of the community and that more services and activities than just educating children from 8-3 should take place there. The advantages are many - it brings needed services such as after school enrichment in the form of athletics, music, art, computer learning, community service, etc. to the children as well as providing health care, family style meals, adult education, etc. It really gets the community involved in the school because the school is truly the center of the community and benefits more than just the children.

The Children's Aid Society in NYC, in partnership with the Department of Education, has been operating community schools there since 1992.

Why it works

In a community school, parents and community leaders play active roles in the school. Parents are encouraged to get involved in their children’s education, as well as take adult education classes, get advice and support, learn how to help their children succeed in school, meet other parents and create their own programs, support groups and activities.

Orange County Schools (Orlando, FL) is transforming one of their D-rated high schools into a community school. It will be open 7 a.m. to 9 p.m. at least six days a week and offer services (medical care, social services, extensive after-school programs, extracurricular sports, cultural programs, and perhaps GED classes and job-training for adults) - many of them free - to the local community.

As reported in the KNS, "six more Knox County schools" are now high priority schools, allowing students to transfer to "better" schools. Could it be Knox County needs to focus more on their existing schools instead of creating new schools?

R. Neal's picture

The graphic in today's KNS

The graphic in today's KNS article was confusing. It listed six "schools of choice." In looking at the list, I was thinking, wow, those schools had a bad reputation. They must be making some amazing progress if they're now the schools of choice.

The Mrs. had to explain that the "choice" is to not send your kids there because they are so bad.

Why do we have to use PR spin-talk for everything? How does the paper think this helps?

(Or is "schools of choice" a term of art for educators and parents that I was previously unfamiliar with?)

R. Neal's picture

P.S. I just remembered that

P.S. I just remembered that "school choice" is code for "vouchers." So I should have figured out "schools of choice" right away.

Barker's picture

There's nothing wrong, and

There's nothing wrong, and much that could be right, about making schools community centers as well as educational facilities. Schools have long been considered foundations of communities, and expanding the offerings to address the needs of the adults in the community might be accomplished without compromising the educational mission.

That doesn't mean Knox County can't simultaneously establish a STEM academy, especially when about half the money needed to do so comes from Race to the Top funding, which must be used to meet Race to the Top goals, and historic tax credits, which can't be used on buildings that aren't deemed historic. Plus there's the city of Knoxville's $200k annual contribution to the lease. For a new school, it's going to be cheap.

The money needed to keep schools open after hours are operating funds, which come from annual tax revenues. That means that if you keep the schools open longer for non-educational purposes, then the money comes out of classroom outlays. Unless, of course, the county commission sees the wisdom of using the schools for community purposes.

whooshe65's picture

"That doesn't mean Knox

"That doesn't mean Knox County can't simultaneously establish a STEM academy, especially when about half the money needed to do so comes from Race to the Top funding, which must be used to meet Race to the Top goals, and historic tax credits, which can't be used on buildings that aren't deemed historic."

Please stop mis-stating the facts. About half of the current estimate of $5.6 million is not $2 million. And the $5.6 million is not a complete renovation, as Karen Carson said, it could cost over 10 million to finish the complete renovation.

barker's picture

I'm not misstating facts,

I'm not misstating facts, whooshe65. The "about half" figure includes $880,000 in historic tax credits along with $2.25 million in Race to the Top funds. That's more than $3 million, which is more than half the estimated cost.

Stick's picture

With so many of our schools,

With so many of our schools, communities, and students in need, I just do not see how spending money on a new STEM school accomplishes anything worth while. America's education problem [especially in international comparisons] stems from our willingness to allow generational poverty to persist in our society. We can open STEM schools, charterize failing schools, and adopt scripted curricula until we're blue in the face. However, until we adopt a comprehensive approach to educating the whole child from health care to cultural capital to academics, we're just tinkering around the edges of our problem. I believe that Dr. Chronic at U.T. is doing some excellent work in this regard, and I'm intrigued by the idea of a community school. This is something that I could get behind.

Poor A-E has been put through the ringer with staff turn-overs, leadership changes, and scripted curricula via Project Grad. It's time to turn over this public institution to the community it serves and give that community the resources it needs to help their children succeed. Turning it over to the state for charterization will only further the marginalization of the East Knoxville community.

Levon's picture

Schools

When the County took over the City schools 25 or 30 years ago, we began to see many consolidations effectively closing many schools such as Oakwood, Brownlow, McCallie, Lincoln-Park, Park, South-Young, etc. while we spent enormous amounts of money building new. It probably would have been better to not build outward but instead zone toward the City's center but our elected leaders either chose not to consider this, didn't think of it or were afraid of having to explain. Beaumont has apparently been a success (I think) but with schools located closer to the community (think walkable), more socio-economic diversity may have occurred thereby raising community expectations and parental involvement. Without those 2 critical success factors, any school will struggle.

MemphisSlim's picture

Why do special purpose schools have to be center city?

All of our Magnet Schools are inner city, A-E, Beaumont, and Vine Middle, and now the L&N Station.

I'd like to see what one of these schools would do, how it would perform, if it was in the suburbs, not in the center city.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

So how many schools improved?


As reported in the KNS, "six more Knox County schools" are now high priority schools, allowing students to transfer to "better" schools.

Today's KNS story didn't comment on the number of schools that came off of the state's "high priority" list.

I've spent very little time at this year's Report Card thus far, but I did happen to notice that Karns High is no longer a "high priority" school. They're now in "good standing" for the first time in at least five years (history available at the State Report Card site). It made me wonder which and how many other schools may have also improved.

(Randy, "school of choice" is the vernacular of NCLB, not KNS, so the newspaper isn't really the spin doctor here--although I agree that it's a confusing term!)

fischbobber's picture

Thoughts?

Tamara,

Have you any thoughts on the STEM school?

I am waiting on curriculum and extracurricular information. Presently I am cautiously optimistic.

Are there any rumors about an athletic director or department heads?

Bob

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Limited extracurricular activities on site, I thought?

Hi, Bob.

I support the concept of a STEM school among KCS high school offerings, but I have some of the same reservations about the L&N site I hear others voicing.

Still, as Scott points out, overall it's a cheap idea, not a costly one.

I've yet to read all of the initial proposal even (from November), but I thought athletics (and theater and band) likely wouldn't be offered there? The proposal says, on page 2:

Structure:
• A “stand alone” magnet school that does not have a geographical enrollment zone
• Not part of another school, nor sharing space with another school
• Enrollment of 500-800 students
• Innovative, integrated STEM curriculum that takes advantage of regional assets
• Flexible academic space to allow for project-based learning and technology
• Proximity to downtown Knoxville and the University of Tennessee
Traditional athletics and theater activities, etc. may not be fully feasible

Maybe I've missed more recent conversation concerning extracurricular activities planned there?

(The STEM concept, sans extracurricular activities, isn't for everybody, I realize. My daughter, the college sophomore, tells me she would have loved it. She absolutely hated her high school and sought extracurricular activities for teens through Lawson-McGhee Library and the UTK campus, in particular. My son, the high school freshman, on the other hand, is very Powell-centric, wouldn't miss a football game, and could probably live the rest of his life without getting off the Powell High campus. I tend to think that there are easily 500 to 800 kids county wide who will find this non-traditional STEM school to be a dream come true.)

fischbobber's picture

I just finished reading the

I just finished reading the plan and it doesn't look like the STEM school will be attracting many football players.

That being said, baseball, soccer, rugby, tennis, table tennis, golf, cycling, rowing, basketball, ultimate frisbee, skateboarding, track and cross country could all easily be on the table if the partnerships between city,county, state, and private entities even sniff at coming together. It would be refreshing to see a high school athletic director focus on participation above winning.

(If any group of kids from a school like this decides to win, they will. It should, however, be the kids decision.)

It will be interesting to watch this idea flesh out.

I remain cautiously optimistic.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

More on number of schools improved

I said:

(Karns High's improvement) made me wonder which and how many other schools may have also improved.

Oops. Coulda got an answer to that question by looking at the KCS home page, which says:

Several Knox County schools have moved to “good standing” under Tennessee’s accountability criteria. These schools include East Knox County, Mooreland Heights, South Knoxville, and Spring Hill Elementary Schools, as well as Bearden, Karns and Powell Middle Schools, and Karns and West High Schools. Overall, the Knox County Schools has six more schools in good standing in 2009-10 than in the previous year.

So six more are in "good standing" than last year, but per that list it's fully nine that improved.

From that perspective, the trend appears favorable?

(link...)

bizgrrl's picture

Knox County had 15 schools on

Knox County had 15 schools on the High Priority list in 2010 and 15 in 2011. Five schools dropped from the 2010 list in 2011 but five other schools were added to the list.

According to the TN Dept. of Education, Knox County had the following schools on the High Priority List in 2011.

Five schools on this list were not on the list in 2010 (Carter Middle School School, Dogwood Elementary School, South Doyle Middle School, Vine Middle/Magnet School, Whittle Springs Middle School).

1 Austin East High/Magnet State/LEA Reconstitution Plan 1 - Improving
2 Beaumont Elementary/Magnet School Improvement 1 - Improving
3 Belle Morris Elementary School Improvement 2 - Improving
4 Carter High School Restructuring 1
5 Carter Middle School School Improvement 1 (new to list)
6 Central High School Restructuring 1
7 Christenberry Elementary School Improvement 1 - Improving
8 Dogwood Elementary School Improvement 1 (new to list)
9 Fulton High School Restructuring 1
10 Gibbs High School Corrective Action
11 Halls High School School Improvement 1 - Improving
12 South Doyle High School Restructuring 1
13 South Doyle Middle School School Improvement 1 (new to list)
14 Vine Middle/Magnet School Improvement 1 (new to list)
15 Whittle Springs Middle School School Improvement 1 (new to list)

According to the TN Dept. of Education, Knox County had the following schools on the High Priority List in 2010.

Five schools on this list are not on the list in 2011 (Bearden Middle School, East Knox Elementary School, Karns High School School, Spring Hill Elementary School, West High School School).

1 Austin East High/Magnet State/LEA Reconstitution Plan 1
2 Bearden Middle School School Improvement 1 - Improving (not on 2011 list)
3 Beaumont Elementary/Magnet School Improvement 1
4 Belle Morris Elementary School Improvement 2
5 Carter High School Corrective Action
6 Central High School Corrective Action
7 Christenberry Elementary School Improvement 1
8 East Knox Elementary School Improvement 1 - Improving (not on 2011 list)
9 Fulton High School Restructuring 1 - Improving
10 Gibbs High School School Improvement 2
11 Halls High School School Improvement 1
12 Karns High School School Improvement 2 - Improving (not on 2011 list)
13 South-Doyle High School Corrective Action
14 Spring Hill Elementary School Improvement 1 - Improving (not on 2011 list)
15 West High School School Improvement 2 - Improving (not on 2011 list)

bizgrrl's picture

Of the 2011 High Priority

Of the 2011 High Priority Schools, guess how many are in West Knoxville? Zero. Three were on the list last year, but improved enough to be removed from the list.

North Knox has eight schools on the list, one added in 2011.
East Knox has four schools on the list, two added in 2011, one dropped.
South Knox has three schools on the list, two added in 2011.

Springhill Elementary School was on the list last year and was dropped this year. Not sure if it fits with North or East Knox.

Also, Austin East and Fulton High Schools have been on the High Priority list for six years, since 2006 (the first year?). This is the fourth year in a row for South Doyle High School. Dogwood Elementary on the list this year was also on the list in 2007 and 2008. South Doyle Middle School is on the list this year and was on the list in 2006 (the first year?).

Tamara Shepherd's picture

The correlation between SES and academic achievement

Thanks for all that digging, Bizgrrl--it's the sort of thing I usually do with the release of each new Report Card, but I haven't quite gotten around to it this year.

I disagree with a majority of KNS posters who seem to think that student achievement among West Knox students is stronger because schools in that area get more attention from our school system than do schools in other areas. I think students West probably just bring different attitudes to the question of why school is important (and, of course, they likely have infinitely greater experiential and financial support within their families, too) . A particularly articulate poster there explains the phenomenon with these stats (although I also disagree with his/her conclusion that a new STEM school is "no help"):

Family Income Level ---- Mean Total SAT 2007 Score
Less Than $10,000 -- 1301
$10,000-$20,000 ----- 1371
$20,000-$30,000 ----- 1363
$30,000-$40,000 ----- 1427
$40,000-$50,000 ----- 1462
$50,000-$60,000 ----- 1487
$60,000-$70,000 ----- 1508
$70,000-$80,000 ----- 1522
$80,000-$100,000 --- 1559
More than $100,000 - 1637

Source: (link...)...

The correlation between SES and academic achievement is well supported by data. It begs many questions.

Does wealth lead to higher scores, or do higher scores lead to wealth? I can think of arguments that support both positions. It's not an either/or proposition. The key consideration for K-12 public education policy is that equal opportunity is afforded to all students who attend public schools. My direct observation leads me to believe that equal opportunities already are being offered. Moreover, the spending per pupil at some low SES schools is much higher in order to fund smaller student/teacher ratios, free breakfast and lunch, and other amenities. Kudos.

What disturbs us is that while opportunities are equal, outcomes are not. Life's not fair. I am encouraged that we are disturbed by inequity. A social conscience is the measure of a virtuous society. We seek to mitigate inequity. Jesus said, "the poor you will always have," but he didn't stop there. He taught us to help all that we can. It seems that the debate should lead us to programs and policies that yield the greatest bang for the buck. The rest is up to the kids and their parents. That is where accountability ultimately must lie. 20% of our kids dropout, even though school is free and compulsory. That statistic alone suggests that there is something very broken in our culture. I'm certain that teachers are the last to blame, yet that's where fingers get pointed first. Nonsense! I recall getting a low grade in college chemistry, but it never occurred to me to blame the professor, or to blame the university. But dropout rates may reflect a lack of relevance for kids who cannot go to college. We can do much more to develop realistic tracks of study for the non-college bound. The pricey STEM academy is no help.

There is near unanimous consensus on this forum that education reform begins with parents and kids, yet all we read in the KNS is how School A is good, and School B is bad. I'm not distracted. I won't be played. It's not the schools. Is anyone in charge listening?

Like I shared with Bob, irrespective of the marketability of skills students may or may not develop within the new STEM school, I think it will provide a niche within which a particular sort of teen can find purpose in and feel enthusiasm for his/her studies, and that's a very good thing in and of itself.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

More clearly...

I should have added that I also support a concept like a "community school" for a reconstituted A-E (and for most every school, really).

However, I perceive that concept and the STEM school concept to be two different solutions to two different problems. I don't see that they are necessarily at odds with one another. In a word, what Scott B said: Why not both?

Stick's picture

But why?

Thanks for all of the data, ya'll. This has been an informative thread to follow, but I'm still at a loss on this one. Here's some thoughts in no particular order...

Even if we accept the numbers coming from the county, which I'm not really prepared to do, it still looks to be a $2 million expenditure for tax payers with annual recurring costs. Am I missing something? I haven't had the time to really dig too deeply...

With all of the financial alchemy involved with the new Carter project, I'm equally skeptical about how that will go down without creating long term costs that will haunt us down the road.

KCS have already gone through several years of budget cuts... Is it prudent to spend vital resources on this project with so many other needs in the system?

What student population will the STEM school serve? I would anticipate that the majority of the students who will make up the student body will come from areas of the county that have higher scoring schools and that are already well served with good facilities and AP courses.

Sorry to be Captain Negative, but I just don't see the pressing need for this. If this will involve a $2 million expenditure with recurring costs [& I readily admit that I could be wrong on this... I hope that I am], then I could find quite a few teachers working in many of our "high priority" schools who could find practical ways to spend that money to the benefit of those student populations who have very pressing educational needs that are not currently being met.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

No more comprehensive high schools to be built here

Stick, I've assumed that at least some of the board's interest in this STEM project is rooted in the realization that KCS can no longer afford to build so-called "comprehensive" high schools that duplicate curriculum offerings in each and every community county wide (as has become the case in many school systems nationwide)?

That being the case, my assumption has been that they are understandably intent on creating enough variety in their curricular offerings to ensure that every high school student can and will find his academic "niche," nevertheless.

I haven't heard any school board member suggest specifically that this phenomenon motivates his/her support for the STEM school, but wouldn't it stand to reason?

Stick's picture

As an ideal, I think that

As an ideal, I think that creating a system that offers a wide range of academic offerings so individual students can find their "niche" is noble, and I think that keeping an eye on the big picture is important in developing short term education policies.

However, with the system as it is presently constituted, this doesn't sound very practical or equitable. As others have noted in this thread, there is a strong correlation between social class and academic achievement, and it is a relationship that emerges early on in schooling and remains consistent throughout. Working class children are the students with the weakest skills, weakest support structures, and are the least mobile. They also attend the schools that have the weakest infrastructure, highest teacher turnover, and least experienced teachers. In my thinking, resolving these weaknesses constitute the biggest problem for our community to tackle.

Instead, it appears that we're going to dump a sizable chunk of moola on a school that addresses an educational need that is assumed and will serve student populations that are the least needy.

Barker's picture

Stick, Here's a good

Stick,

Here's a good breakdown of the renovation and annual operating costs of the STEM academy: (link...)

According to the school system, it will cost an additional $338,813 per year to operate the school. Teaching positions are the most expensive part of the operating budget. Because they're based system-wide on enrollment, those teaching positions are estimated to be budget-neutral. In layman's terms, they will come from existing positions in the system and won't be "new" jobs.

School budgeting is highly complex, primarily because of the different funding sources and legal requirements.

The STEM academy's student body will come from all over the county. According to the school system, each current school zone will be allotted spaces based on current enrollment. I don't know the exact numbers, but the Farragut zone will get more spaces than the Gibbs zone, because more students are zoned for Farragut than zoned for Gibbs. Students can apply for the positions but it's to be based on interest, not achievement. If some zones don't fill their allotment, then a lottery will be held for interested students system-wide. At least that's my understanding of the process.

A new school for Carter will cost more than renovations. That's a given. Whether a new school would cost less if built on a lease-buyback arrangement than under the current construction process is the first question. No matter which process is ultimately recommended, the next question will be whether the school system can or is willing to pay the extra long-term costs of new construction. So far, the school board has declined to incur the additional cost of the regular construction process.

Stick's picture

Thanks for the link... I've

Thanks for the link... I've got to hit the road, but I'll check into it when I get back into town. One quick thought, as with charters and other 'schools of choice', one issue that always seems to emerge with these kind of programs is that of 'cream-skimming'.

My assumption [and it is just that] is that the STEM school will skim the best students with the fewest needs and [due to issues of mobility] will dis-proportionally favor student populations from wealthier communities. Also, when you factor in issues like peer effects, skimming the best and brightest from the weakest schools only exacerbates the problems faced by those schools.

Thanks again... I'll check it out when I get back! Happy Week-End, ya'll!

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Afterthought...

I would anticipate that the majority of the students who will make up the student body will come from areas of the county that have higher scoring schools and that are already well served with good facilities and AP courses.

And speaking only for my own family's experience in the AP program at a (nearly) "comprehensive" high school, my older child who is now a KCS grad always felt like a distinct minority, academically speaking, in her high school.

Maybe I'm injecting into this conversation too much concern for alleviating teenage angst, when the board's more pressing concern is alleviating burdensome financial costs, but I tend to see the STEM proposal as a viable solution to both problems?

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