Mon
Aug 9 2010
10:04 am

As reported in the KNS, the Knox County School board will be considering whether to turn over the "Austin-East Performing Arts and Sciences Magnet High School" (what a lovely name) to the new State of Tennessee "Achievement School District", which will be run by the state.

Austin-East is one of 13 schools in the State of Tennessee that continues to be a low-achiever, thus requiring intervention.

The bill [Tennessee First to the Top Act of 2010. (SB 7005 )] passed by the state legislature and signed by Bredesen, authorizes the commissioner [of education] to contract with any person, governmental entity, or nonprofit entity (managing entity) to manage the day to day operations of any or all schools or LEAs in the district including providing direct services to students. A managing entity may apply to the commissioner for a waiver of any state board of education rule that inhibits or hinders the ability of the school or LEA to achieve the required adequate yearly progress benchmarks.

Tennessee has partnered with Louisiana in applying for and receiving a $30 million grant to "expand the charter model implemented in New Orleans to the lowest performing schools in New Orleans and Tennessee, particularly in Memphis and Nashville. The consortium aims to turn around the bottom five percent of failing schools by establishing successful charters that have a track record of boosting academic achievement in challenging school environments."

The citizens of Knox County should be proud.

The Dude's picture

I wonder if several smaller

I wonder if several smaller schools (with different campuses, not the whole school split into academies thing) would help? Would smaller schools equal better outcomes?

I don't understand why you're insinuating that Knox Countians should feel shameful though. You cannot just throw money at a school and expect improvement. There are so many outside factors that determine if a child will have a successful academic career. I don't care if you spend 30K a child, if the student doesn't have a solid foundation at home that stresses scholarship he/she will likely fail. What could the resident do or what have we done to fail Austin-East?

Indya's picture

Status of Austin East

Just to clarify, Austin-East is not entering the "achievement district" yet. Our Memorandum of Agreement says that the school meets the eligibility requirements for a state take-over, and transition planning starts this year, but if there are dramatic improvements in student outcomes this school year, then it may not happen. You can read the MOA and a letter from Superintendent McIntyre to Education Commissioner Timothy Webb at knoxschools.org, follow links to Board of Education Agenda for 8/11.

Unfortunately the local Board of Ed does not have much flexibility here, but we're certainly taking steps to make the school more effective, the sooner the better. If you want more information, please attend a community meeting tomorrow (Tuesday August 10th) at Austin-East at 6pm. There are a lot of questions and uncertainties at this juncture, but we'll share as much information as we know.

Thanks,

Indya Kincannon, Chair
Knox County Board of Education

Stick's picture

How much control does the

How much control does the School Board have over this decision? If A-E fails to meet yearly progress metrics [which will likely be the case], does this mean that it is totally out of your hands?

michael kaplan's picture

maybe no child left behind as

maybe no child left behind as a set of standards should be left behind.

the idea that there is 'no alternative' is absurd, and plays right into the hands of the privatizers. not only is there no guarantee that privatization will make the school better, there is evidence nationally that it will make the school worse. the fact that privatization is now embedded in state law is outrageous. if this happens, the entire school board should resign in protest.

j.f.m.'s picture

the fact that privatization

the fact that privatization is now embedded in state law is outrageous.

Where is privatization embedded in state law? I'm not saying it isn't, I just don't know what you mean.

Stick's picture

The bill [Tennessee First to

The bill [Tennessee First to the Top Act of 2010. (SB 7005 )] passed by the state legislature and signed by Bredesen, authorizes the commissioner [of education] to contract with any person, governmental entity, or nonprofit entity (managing entity) to manage the day to day operations of any or all schools or LEAs in the district including providing direct services to students.

j.f.m.'s picture

Right, but that doesn't equal

Right, but that doesn't equal "privatization". People throw that word around pretty loosely. The Washington, D.C., school district, for example, has been taken over by various entities at various times, but it's never been privatized.

I don't know if an ASD is a good idea, a lot would depend on who ran it, what their plan was, and what kind of resources they had. But I wonder about people being so quick to sneer at any plan for school reform. It's not like the system that's in place is working very well.

Stick's picture

Private control of public

Private control of public schools by national charter organizations that are freed from many of the institutional mandates and rules applied to traditionally organized public institutions is privatization.

Take a look at New Orleans for an example...

j.f.m.'s picture

I disagree. It is an

I disagree. It is an alternative public-school model. It is not a private model. The idea that the public school model we have is the only one that counts as "public" is really pretty reactionary.

Again, I don't know if it would do any good to place A-E or any other school in a state-run "district." But I'm not going to just assume that it would be worse. Public education in this country needs new ideas, a lot of them, and just knee-jerk screaming "privatization!" any time anyone talks about change doesn't do any good at all.

And we have real privatizers out there, the voucher proponents and so forth. Fight them all you want. But don't lump every reform idea in with them. The issues are complicated and serious and deserve to be treated more carefully than that.

R. Neal's picture

Public education in this

Public education in this country needs new ideas, a lot of them

What are some of yours?

Hildegard's picture

Oh dear, it's the old, "Yeah,

Oh dear, it's the old, "Yeah, well, if YOU'RE SO SMART"... I think his point is, he's open to ideas, including this one:-)

j.f.m.'s picture

I've got plenty (e.g.,

I've got plenty (e.g., drastically restructure middle and high school, completely change the school calendar, spend less time in classrooms and more time doing things outside the school, spend less time prepping for and taking standardized tests, more emphasis on social learning and critical thinking skills, blah blah blah), but my ideas aren't really the point. I think public education, which is one of the most conservative institutions in America in terms of its resistance to change, really needs to be opened up to all kinds of approaches and models. That doesn't include for-profit management or vouchers, because I think those are bad ideas for lots of reasons. But there are lots of ideas that aren't those.

Stick's picture

Really, we agree more than we

Really, we agree more than we disagree... I would encourage you to investigate charters, accountability, and innovation. My only advice is to avoid the think-tank pollution. Their 'studies' are anything but...

michael kaplan's picture

That doesn't include

That doesn't include for-profit management or vouchers, because I think those are bad ideas for lots of reasons.

that's the direction tennessee is likely to go, since the law permits it - and not by accident. 'vouchers' is the trojan horse that politicians will use to insure 'buy-in' by the home schoolers and others currently outside the public system.

of course, this is happening throughout the country, not just in tennessee. here's an interesting article on the subject.

Six months into the Obama administration, its stand on public education could not be clearer. Obama and his Secretary of Education Arne Duncan have bought the entire bipartisan anti-democratic and corporate friendly line that “failing” public schools are problems best solved by firing tens of thousands of perfectly competent and experienced teachers, and reorganizing them as charter and other institutions in which organized parents and teachers have no say whatsoever.

j.f.m.'s picture

that's the direction

that's the direction tennessee is likely to go, since the law permits it

Where? I keep asking this. Where do people see vouchers or for-profit in either this law or the TN charter-school law? From my reading, both are explicit about saying nonprofit, and I don't think either of them even mentions vouchers.

It's not enough to just say, "Oh, I know that's what they really want to do." The laws allow what they allow. Where is there an opening for for-profit management or vouchers? I'd really like to know.

michael kaplan's picture

on one hand, you're

you're reinventing my comments. in the post to which you're responding, i didn't use the term for-profit once. there are private entities that are non-profit. UT hospital is one example. Southeast Housing is another. as for vouchers: the law does not preclude them. read about vouchers (the term now used is scholarships) and how they come into being in individual states.

j.f.m.'s picture

You quoted my comment that

You quoted my comment that explicitly said "for-profit," and you said that's the direction Tennessee was likely to go because the law allows it. But OK, you agree the law doesn't allow for-profit. Yes, obviously it allows non-profit groups. I guess that's a problem if you're hung up on maintaining the existing authority of local school bureaucracies. But it's a whole different thing than turning the schools over to profit-making corporations.

If you have specific information about vouchers showing up in any form in Tennessee, I'd love to see it. It would be a good story.

michael kaplan's picture

see below

see below

R. Neal's picture

drastically restructure

drastically restructure middle and high school

In what ways?

Stick's picture

Look, we can quibble over

Look, we can quibble over definitions of privatization... This medium and my time constraints do not permit me giving you a complete dissertation of contemporary trajectories in education policy. My comment is really a summation of the research project I conducted over a three year period. My three points of critique stem from that research... quasi-privatization [or in today's lingo the 'educational marketplace'], accountability [test prep],and innovation [drill and kill for standardized assessment]. I have one article in International Education on innovation and two on the way at Educational Studies and The Journal of Thought addressing the educational marketplace and accountability respectively.

This is not a knee jerk reaction but the [digitally mediated] sound of frustration over the acceleration of policies that have not demonstrated themselves to be effective and have already provided us with numerous examples of what a regulated educational marketplace [aka quasi-privatization] will bring us in the future... Administrative heavy test-prep academies, plenty of opportunities for public looting, and complex real estate deals with Wall Street investment firms. [If you're interested in a copy of those articles let me know... But be warned! It is written in that dry academic language that we've all come to love.]

R. Neal's picture

+1

+1

j.f.m.'s picture

Oh, so now it's

Oh, so now it's "quasi-privatization"?

I'm impressed by your research background and all, but I'd put my word count on education issues over the last 20 years up against yours any day, and I can pretty much guarantee you that I've been in more schools and classrooms** and talked to more teachers, parents, kids, principals, local, state, and federal education officials, and education theorists and reformers of all stripes than you. I also have a mom and a sister who are professional educators; education policy is dinner-table talk in my family. I don't need a "dissertation on contemporary trajectories in education policy," so let's drop the hifalutin talk, perfesser.

"Policies that have not demonstrated themselves to be effective"? Yeah? You can find plenty of those already in place in every urban and rural school system in America. I'd have more sympathy for the wolf-calling here if it was attached to some real acknowledgment of how much is wrong, outmoded, and ill-suited about the prevailing public school model. (And that includes the mad testing obsession, which I completely agree is a dubious direction.)

I don't know if an ASD is a good idea, and I want to know more about how it would be set up and administered, who would be held accountable and how, there are lots of questions. But as far as I can tell, without subjecting the statute as written to some kind of rhetorical waterboarding looking for any hint of profit-mongering, those questions are not first or mostly about "privatization."

(And also, since I want to know these things and I'm in a position to find out about them, I aim to do just that. I think it will be more useful to actually go and ask a lot of questions than to sit around imagining moneygrubbing privatizers under every statutory subsection.)

** this includes Austin-East, which I have spent a lot of time at, though none in the last 8 years while I've been away. I intend to rectify that soon. Aside from Indya, who else on this thread has ever even seen the inside of that building? Just curious.

Stick's picture

I. My first post at 11:45 am

I. My first post at 11:45 am EST reproduced for your enjoyment:

"So the quasi-privatization and public looting begins coupled with the loss of democratic control of one of our institutions here in Knoxville. And, of course, it begins in the community with the least power and social capital whose children will be the subjects of an un-controlled experiment.

Race to the Top indeed!"

II. I have been inside that building and have worked in several others throughout the county. The first time was in 1993 as a young teacher candidate working with a fellow history student-teacher whose most recent world map stopped at WWI. I have also worked in the for-profit education industry as a teaching director for 6 years. As you can tell, this is a very personal topic for me.

III. To critique the Race to the Bottom is not the same thing as defending the institution of public education as it is presently constituted. That said, I like the idea of communities having a say in the day-to-day operations of the schools their children attend. Call me crazy...

IV. If you are truly interested in another model to investigate let me recommend you read some Pasi Sahlberg. He's done a lot of great work at the World Bank [of all places] on education policy, and he is a big advocate of the Finnish model [Sahlberg is Finnish]. A simple Google search will provide you with plenty of free scholarship to read. Finland kicks butt on international comparisons and spends way less than we do. While we can't import their model wholesale, there is a lot to learn from them.

j.f.m.'s picture

OK, I respect your

OK, I respect your background, though I'd like to know more specifics about it. But a.) I think it's irresponsible to throw around a loaded word like "privatization" (even quasi-) in a case that's much more complicated than that suggests, because it's red flags to a bull in these parts and it gets away from talking about what's actually going on; and b.) this part of what you wrote is one of those things that just always makes me roll my eyes:

it begins in the community with the least power and social capital whose children will be the subjects of an un-controlled experiment.

As if the students at Austin-East (or, really, any school) aren't already the subjects of uncontrolled experiments. And, in a lot of cases, demonstrably failing experiments.

I understand concerns about local control when it comes to the state taking over a school. On the other hand, if it is hard to demonstrate that local control is providing for the needs of the students, I also understand the argument for removing it. Mike Bloomberg took away a lot of local control of NYC schools when he centralized control of the school system. The jury is still out on the effectiveness of that, but a lot of the local fiefdoms he broke up were just that: self-perpetuating bureaucracies that protected their own institutional turf and prerogatives while churning kids in and out almost automatically. "Local control" can mean a lot of things.

Anyway, I'll have a better feel for how an ASD model would work in a few months, when I have time to spend on it. Thanks for the Sahlberg recommendation, I'll look him up.

I still think you're courting hysteria here on an issue that deserves a lot more careful consideration.

Stick's picture

I'm not trying to foster

I'm not trying to foster hysteria as much as I'd like to see people get off their butts and quit looking for the next big thing or miracle fix. They do not exist... whether that be charters, vouchers, or "no excuses" tough guy-ism a la' Joe Clark and Michelle Rhee. A convergence in education policy has taken place since the mid-1990's between the two political parties, and it is built around the Business Roundtable/Gates/Broad/Walton education proposals. [See NREE] This convergence has accelerated the implementation of policies that are not supported by evidence, are not scalable, and create lots of opportunities for public looting. [Ohio, Texas, and Florida have lots of examples of looting by charter organizations]

Despite its socially-minded rhetoric, the Roundtable et al. is only interested in opening up new market opportunities that will allow Wall Street and national charter organizations to tap public funds. [Imagine Schools Inc. is a great example of a "non-profit" that is anything but...]. Here is a quote from one such investor in a complex real estate deal with Imagine in K.C. [Kansas City Business Journal 1/22/10]

"“We are excited to add to our public charter school portfolio and enthusiastic about the prospects of Imagine and this investment category,” Entertainment Properties Trust CEO David Brain said in a release.

In an interview, Brain said the Imagine Schools transaction announced Friday fulfilled Entertainment Properties’ 2007 commitment to make at least $200 million worth of acquisitions from Imagine. It also increases Entertainment Properties’ footprint in what Brain called “a huge new category” for private real estate investment.

“Public charter schools are now a 4 or 5 percent slice of a couple trillion dollar public education real estate market,” Brain said."

The way charters have worked thus far [& we can assume that a similar model will emerge with AE] is that a charter organization is given a school structure and paid a set amount of money per student. However, there is no money provided for building maintenance or development. [That makes it cheaper for the state and is part of the reason it is so attractive to many policy-makers... They can claim to be education reformers without spending a dime.] This leads many charters to sell said structure to Wall Street investment firms that then lease back said structure to the charter organization. Everybody gets a slice of the public pie... There are several other issues involved such as teacher turn-over and student attrition rates, but I'm leaving for my vacation in half an hour so I don't have time to elaborate further...

The big problem [as far as I'm concerned] is that there is no evidence that charters are any better than the traditional public schools they replace. And anytime we hear Wall Street talk about 'innovation' that usually means we should hold on to our wallets...

Off to drink margaritas... Cheers!

j.f.m.'s picture

You're lumping a lot of

You're lumping a lot of things together here that need to be pulled back apart, but I'm sympathetic to the wariness of REITs and any other monied forces getting into the game. One big challenge in opening up the educational landscape is fending off predators. Those fights will have to be fought at federal, state, and local levels, and they won't all be won. On the other hand, there's a lot of money-making that goes on in the existing model too (hello textbook companies, architects/construction companies, software and hardware providers, etc).

But I think it's way too simplistic to say "the Roundtable et al. is only interested in opening up new market opportunities that will allow Wall Street and national charter organizations to tap public funds." That undersells the degree to which Roundtable types actually see an unprepared workforce as an economic obstacle. Now, that doesn't mean I think the Roundtables of the country should be setting curriculum. But at least some of the concern from that sector is sincere.

And I think where I really part ways on a lot of this stuff is just that I think the existing public education model (despite the efforts of many, many good teachers and administrators) is a hidebound, authoritarian structure that mandates conformity over critical thinking, reinforces the existing socio/economic status quo (which is fine for some people, not so great for others), and is locked into century-old models of instruction and assessment that probably weren't all that defensible even a century ago. I'm not overly optimistic that I'll live to see any great restructuring of that system, but I'm at least open to people making good-faith efforts -- and that includes some of the people who have been pushing for charter schools for the last 20-plus years. You're right that there's no magic fix. But a lot of little efforts are at least something. (And of course, you don't need charter schools to innovate. School boards, principals, teachers can do a lot of it on their own inside existing public schools. Some do. But they're not necessarily encouraged to, much less required to.)

jcgrim's picture

24 years in public schools

as a teacher in special education all ages beginning at 3 yrs up to 21 yrs and disability levels (20 yrs) and 4 yrs as an administrator.

michael kaplan's picture

any person, governmental

any person, governmental entity, or nonprofit entity

the word any means any entity, public or private. it opens the door to a sell-off of public educational facilities to private (for-profit and non-profit) corporations. ralph nader and public citizen have been talking about this for years. and it interfaces perfectly with haslam's line about "shrinking the size of state government and making do with less."

email me privately and i'll give you an additional lead.

j.f.m.'s picture

I don't see any opening in

I don't see any opening in that clause for a sell-off of anything. It's talking about a management contract. And "person, governmental entity, or nonprofit entity" doesn't sound like it leaves much room for a private, for-profit company to me. (Though I'm sure a lawyer could argue it one way or another.) New Orleans was mentioned before. Where's the privatization in New Orleans? What they have there is a whole lot of independent non-profit groups. Again, it's a different model of public education, but it's still public education.

These issues are really more complicated and much less clearly ideological than the threads on this forum tend to make them. Yes, at the margins you do have people talking about vouchers and so forth. But there's a whole universe of education reform ideas that are not vouchers, and are not about "privatization." And the existing public school model is not necessarily one that anybody should be in a big hurry to defend. It has its pluses and its significant achievements, but there are an awful lot of things it doesn't do well, for an awful lot of students. And it's hard to talk about those things if people just revert to defense of the status quo out of some misguided ideological loyalty.

jcgrim's picture

define alternative public school model

What does alternative public school model mean?

Companies recommended in RttT to take over "failing" schools sign a contract with the state to oversee all operations. Schools are run by a board of directors with a CEO, they hire & fire staff without due process (like when they cost too much to pay), they set salaries based on "merit" rather than experience, they exclude students who don't make the grade,have special needs, or who have behavior problems, their practices are not answerable to the public re:administrative salaries, what their investors are doing with our tax dollars, appropriate curriculum, instruction or discipline. This is a private business model. Period.

If parents in the wealthiest school communities had to endure what RttT demands of inner city schools like AE, they would not stand for it.

The notion that business leaders rather than teachers and principals know how to improve learning is a false assumption, perpetrated by the media and think-tanks on both sides of the political spectrum (e.g. John Podesta's Center for American Progress) is producing junk science about improving education with ideas that have nothing to do with actual learning and development. The goal is for eduction to become a financial frontier for the oligarchs.

R. Neal's picture

The goal is for eduction to

The goal is for eduction to become a financial frontier for the oligarchs.

Most likely through "well-meaning," non-profit, private-public partnerships for cover.

rikki's picture

Most likely through

Most likely through "well-meaning," non-profit, private-public partnerships for cover.

Like the TYP!

j.f.m.'s picture

Companies recommended in RttT

Companies recommended in RttT to take over "failing" schools sign a contract with the state to oversee all operations. Schools are run by a board of directors with a CEO, they hire & fire staff without due process (like when they cost too much to pay), they set salaries based on "merit" rather than experience, they exclude students who don't make the grade,have special needs, or who have behavior problems, their practices are not answerable to the public re:administrative salaries, what their investors are doing with our tax dollars, appropriate curriculum, instruction or discipline. This is a private business model. Period.

I'm sorry, but where are you getting this from? I can't find anything like it in either the federal or state RTTT laws. Citation?

michael kaplan's picture

the next step might be for

the next step might be for the state - under the next governor, of course - to sell it off to a for-profit 'education' corporation. this may be the future model for public assets: run it down, then sell it off. it's potentially big business. and they'll quote margaret thatcher, tina. "there is no alternative."

Stick's picture

That's what you call 'innovation'!

So the quasi-privatization and public looting begins coupled with the loss of democratic control of one of our institutions here in Knoxville. And, of course, it begins in the community with the least power and social capital whose children will be the subjects of an un-controlled experiment.

Race to the Top indeed!

michael kaplan's picture

you got it absolutely right.

you got it absolutely right.

bizgrrl's picture

According to the 2009 TVAAS

According to the 2009 TVAAS School Report linked from the State of TN Dept. of Education website, Austin-East has the highest rate of free/reduced price lunches at 81% and the highest rate of minorities at 91%. Maybe the school being located in one of the most, if not the most, low income sections of Knoxville/Knox County has something to do with the ability to teach and learn. Maybe the students have other things on their minds like eating and getting clothed. I don't know.

A wild and crazy thought, close the school and transfer the students to other schools, e.g. Fulton, Central, Carter, or West, or, hey, the school of their choice with transportation provided. The school is the smallest high school in the Knox County system. Thus, small schools aren't always the solution.

Maybe someone at Knox County Schools can explain why Austin-East is having such a problem. Maybe a little more money needs to be pushed toward helping the families in that area in a way that will result in helping the children.

Tess's picture

I thought it was a magnet

I thought it was a magnet school? Wasn't it set up so that students could transfer in there from all over to take advantage of classes in the arts?

RigsbyWerner's picture

Put a magnet school on Pellissipi Parkway and kids will come

But put a magnet school inner city, lower income, concentrated minority section of Knoxville, you don't attract the community's best or brightest, you have an inner city school, lower income, located in a pronounced minority section of Knoxville. I don't know what the school board can do to create educational momentum and priority in that school, but everything they have done over the past 20 years has not worked. In fact, it's not getting better, it's getting worse.

Rachel's picture

Maybe the school being

Maybe the school being located in one of the most, if not the most, low income sections of Knoxville/Knox County has something to do with the ability to teach and learn.

Ya think?

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Stir the (Knox County) pot

Maybe the school being located in one of the most, if not the most, low income sections of Knoxville/Knox County has something to do with the ability to teach and learn.

(link...)

bizgrrl's picture

This ordinance requires that

This ordinance requires that any new residential development of ten units or more include an affordable component.

I like the idea.

michael kaplan's picture

other cities call this

other cities call this inclusive housing. i have suggested this approach in knoxville and have never gotten any kind of response from anyone in a decision-making capacity. most recently, i proposed it for the south waterfront housing. if public monies (like TIFs) go into a project, then there should be an affordable housing component. it's done all over the US.

R. Neal's picture

Ironically, if you drive

Ironically, if you drive around Sequoyah Hills it is one of the earliest examples (or only example?) of this in Knoxville.

Ragsdale2010's picture

Turn the magnet school over to the state, it's a failure

and oh by the way, you might ask the school board why much balleyhooed Hardin Valley Academy didn't make the necessary annual yearly progress this year heading towards not meeting NCLB.

The only school in West Knoxville capable of accepting NCLB transfers right now is Farragut and that means Bearden, HVA, Karns, and West, by definition have NCLB issues they are struggling with.

The magnet school issues were used to resolve the Office of Civil Rights inquiry several years ago, which located all of our magnet school to the inner city all within the A-E high school zone. A monumental waste of resources in my humble opinion.

The Knox County School board has continued to throw piles of money at inner city schools with no appreciable return on the investment and if the circumstances within these communities are an impediment to education, we need to remove the educational facilities from these areas as we cannot create educational importance in families if there are other priorities or other immovable distractions.

I have some degree of faith in Dr. McIntyre, particularly as Timmy Burchette comes on line, as a product of nothing but public education, hopefully real difficult issues will be given a real hard look and we can address problems without throwing money at the problem.

Turn the school over to the state, today.

Up Goose Creek's picture

TIF

Unlike downtown, any TIFs on the S Waterfront would go towards public improvements, parks, roads, etc.

BTW, there's already affordable housing in the SW. Let's keep it that way. Many of us don't have mortgages, how much more affordable can you get?.

Up Goose Creek's picture

ONK

In Old North Knoxville you'll see shotgun houses a block away from the big mansions. Parkridge as well.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Again...

...it's a housing problem.

The Dude: "...if the student doesn't have a solid foundation at home that stresses scholarship..."

Stick: "...it begins in the community with the least power and social capital..."

bizgrrl: "Maybe the school being located in one of the most, if not the most, low income sections of Knoxville/Knox County has something to do with the ability to teach and learn."

Ragsdale2010: "The Knox County School board has continued to throw piles of money at inner city schools with no appreciable return on the investment..." and "Put a magnet school on Pellissipi Parkway and kids will come. But put a magnet school inner city, lower income, concentrated minority section of Knoxville, you don't attract the community's best or brightest..."

We can talk "alternate school models" all day long, but it's our communities that need reform.

Fix the disparity in our housing stock by making affordable housing widely available (as opposed to concentrating it in a single community) and in the process we fix the disparity in our schools.

(link...)

fischbobber's picture

It kind of depends on who is

It kind of depends on who is gerrymandering the school zone lines. There is a reason Farragut and West made the best schools in America list and Bearden didn't get a sniff.

That being said, zoning Kingston Woods back to Bearden was the right thing to do. We need more and better teachers, not bus drivers.

Up Goose Creek's picture

Right on

But if you fix the schools it will enable more families to feel comfortable in the inner city. There is a LOT of vacant real estate in the AE district. With roads, utilities, etc. already in place.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

If we're talking about A-E...

......I don't know that there's anything to "fix" with the school itself.

Only problem I see is an overabundance of kids there who can't recognize opportunity when it bites them in the butt.

They just haven't had enough occasions to rub elbows with kids who do--and who seize it.

Mixed income (aka "inclusive") housing. Make it so.

fischbobber's picture

You're making , almost

You're making , almost verbatim, the same argument I made when working on unifying the junior golf programs.

I hope this works out better , quicker.

Up Goose Creek's picture

Interiors

Aside from Indya, who else on this thread has ever even seen the inside of that building? Just curious

Why does that sound like a challenge? I can't say that i've seen the inside of any Knox High school besides South Doyle. It's not like they encourage strangers to wander the hallways.

j.f.m.'s picture

True. I just think it's easy

True. I just think it's easy to talk about a school like A-E in the abstract. It helps to actually see it in operation. Because up close, none of these issues seem simple or clear. The problems are evident enough, the "solutions" much less so.

j.f.m.'s picture

I've been back and forth with

I've been back and forth with jfm about this before, but the relationship between a student and family and a corporation is something entirely different from our previous model.

I don't know how to get you to drop this automatic association between corporatism and charter schools, but you're parroting some kind of ideological talking points that ignore the wide variety of real-world models out there. And the existing public school model, as I keep pointing out, is itself very corporate and authoritarian. Public schools already have a CEO-board of directors model of command and control. And anyone who thinks that their power structures are open or easily accessible to your average parent and student simply hasn't spent very much time observing or dealing with them.

if a charter school corporation (profit, or, as is only allowed in TN, non-profit) makes you sign a contract upon matriculation that includes a binding arbitration clause

This is a very big "if" that I keep asking for examples of. There's nothing like that in Tennessee's charter school law. If it's in anybody else's I'd like to see it. Otherwise you're just inventing worst-case scenarios.

a journalist's word count is no comparison to even a research note by a scholar on a subject

I'm intimately familiar with the advantages and disadvantages of both journalistic and academic work. I love academics, when I want to learn about something fast, they're the people I go to. I also love people with real-world professional experience, like teachers and principals, and I talk to them all the time too. They're complementary roles, and I'm not going to get into professional dick-swinging. But on this particular set of issues, I think people on this board are driven by ideology and paranoia, and I don't think it produces very informed discussion. You guys are just ringing Pavlovian bells here -- Privatization! Corporate! For-profit! -- that don't begin to deal with the actual problems of American public education, which don't lend themselves to easy ideological point-scoring.

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I think people on this board

I think people on this board are driven by ideology and paranoia

I think there's been a pretty good discussion on this topic by people who know what they are talking about. Don't see the need to insult everyone here with broad generalizations.

Further, you can call it easy ideological point-scoring or paranoia or whatever you want. But the fact remains there is a conservative movement to privatize education and dismantle public education. Some of us are just concerned that some of these "innovations" are chiseling away at public education a little piece at a time as part of a longer term strategy to end it. That's not ideological, or paranoid. That's a fact.

Anyway, I asked earlier about your ideas for restructuring middle and high schools. It was a serious question, about a serious problem.

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the fact remains there is a

the fact remains there is a conservative movement to privatize education and dismantle public education

Of course there is. But seeing every school-reform idea, and especially charter schools, through that prism is a blinkered approach to a really difficult and complex set of problems and ideas. The reality is, the hard-right pro-voucher/privatization movement has made very little progress despite a few decades of pushing. Even charter schools (which, again, are not vouchers or privatization as it's generally understood) have barely made a dent in the educational landscape. But I think the longer existing, outdated educational models are allowed to just kind of slump forward, the more likely it becomes that you do eventually create an opening for radical, ideologically-driven prescriptions like vouchers. At some point, parents in some inner-city school system will just say, the hell with it, why not?

As for middle- and high-school reforms, you can find lots and lots of proposals out there, but here are some that appeal to me: in middle school especially, get kids out of the classroom more, into various kinds of hands-on educational settings and experiences -- it's a good age to start learning more about the bigger world and how things work, and a lousy age to force kids to sit in rows of desks (my mom, who teaches middle school, fantasizes about sending them all to some camp in the woods until they can be coaxed back into civilization -- an unlikely model, but maybe one that some school somewhere could make work); lots of emphasis on group work, social learning and critical thinking (i.e., more emphasis on HOW to think and problem-solve than on memorization and regurgitation); and from 9th grade on, I just think the whole thing needs to be reconsidered, to create more of a through-path to life after school. Whether a student leaves high school to go to college, trade school, apprenticeship, whatever, it needs to lead clearly to something, not just basically tell kids they're on their own once they're out the doors. Of course, you can't do this without also drastically restructuring post-secondary ed, and in a lot of cases the workplace as well. It's not something public school systems can do on their own.

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Of course there is. But

Of course there is. But seeing every school-reform idea, and especially charter schools, through that prism is a blinkered approach to a really difficult and complex set of problems and ideas.

More generalization. Some folks are just opposed to specific "reforms" such as vouchers and, yes, charter schools that in the end weaken public education.

Unfortunately, I haven't seen many other "good" ideas from policymakers to support. On the other hand, there have been plenty of "bad" ideas, like vouchers, charter schools, and NCLB/teach-to-the-test/one-size-fits-all/guaranteed-failure-for-some "reforms" designed to punish public schools and promote vouchers and charter schools as the only alternative.

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The generalization here is

The generalization here is the insistence on jamming every education-reform proposal into a scary black box labeled PRIVATIZATION, no matter what the details are. Nobody on this thread knows how the state's proposed ASD would actually work, for the sort of obvious reason that it doesn't exist yet and its design and implementation -- if it even happens -- will fall to the next administration. And yet there's this mad rush to assume that it means the school's going to be sold for a Wal-Mart and the kids are all going to be forced to recite the proverbs of Sam Walton every morning before settling in at their cash registers. None of which is even remotely suggested by the legislation, as far as I can tell.

And where I disagree on the charter-school issue is whether they "weaken public education." I think they potentially weaken existing models of public education. And I'm not convinced that's necessarily a bad thing, or a good thing. The details of every law, every school, every structure are what's important. You can argue about those, and fight about them when it comes to putting them in place. But broad anti-charter-school rhetoric just sounds like ideology to me. And like health care, I don't think education lends itself very well to anyone's ideological framework.

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What sophistry? Still waiting

What sophistry?

Still waiting for an answer to my earlier question, btw.

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The question you answered

The question you answered below, I'd forgotten about the Massachusetts report. As noted below, it doesn't say what you think it says.

"weaken public education" was Randy's phrase, not mine. I don't think charter schools "weaken public education." I don't know if they strengthen it either. What they do is start to change the conception that it has to be this one monolithic model that we've gotten used to and apparently some of us are quite attached to.

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That hasn't ever been the

That hasn't ever been the assumption behind charter schools. It's a sort of fundamental misunderstanding of the concept. In the basic idea of charter schools, there is no preference for "a corporate model of school management and service provision."

And what's really weird to me about this discussion is, "a corporate model of school management and service provision" is already pretty much what exists in public education. Have you ever been to a school board meeting or dealt with a school bureaucracy? One of the possible advantages of charter schools is being freed up from the dictates and constraints of that corporate model. (Note that I say "possible," because again, the idea is open things up to lots of different approaches.)

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What do you mean "structural

What do you mean "structural problems"?

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Well, a.) you're retreating

Well, a.) you're retreating to abstractions, and b.) while I might agree with you on some theoretical ground, if you're going to take that tack you might as well scrap the entire idea of public education. What is the whole public-education project except a huge industrial-age developmental scheme?

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Yr words get bigger as

Yr words get bigger as whatever point you were ostensibly making recedes ever further into the distance. (Soon we won't be able to see it at all.)

:)

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Nobody on this thread knows

Nobody on this thread knows how the state's proposed ASD would actually work

I believe the conversation has expanded to more than ASD, specifically the charter school provision of "race to the top."

So anyway, when you say there is an "insistence on jamming every education-reform proposal into a scary black box labeled PRIVATIZATION," can you be more specific about what education-reforms have been proposed and which ones have been characterized in that manner on this "board?"

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Stick, jcgrim, metulj, and

Stick, jcgrim, metulj, and you, for starters, all seem to be proceeding from some very grim assumptions about the intents and consequences of the RttT law and its possible implementation in Tennessee. On this thread people have alleged that it (and charter schools more broadly) would and/or could lead to privatization (or quasi-privatization), the selling off of public assets, the establishment of exclusionary schools with limited public accountability that would limit the rights of both parents and students, the "weakening of public education," and some other things I don't even remember ... none of which, as far as I can tell, are explicitly or even implicitly provided for in either the federal or state legislation, so I have asked for clarification of where exactly all this scare talk is coming from. metulj's all hung about mandatory-arbitration contracts, which I don't even know where he got it from (and I've asked), but it sure isn't in these laws. Stick raises interesting points about the way REITs have moved into the charter-school market (tho I think s/he mischaracterizes the way charters generally work as far as real estate goes -- afaik, they are usually responsible for finding and providing their own properties, not just handed existing public property), but that's an issue somewhat distant and different from Sam's Club seizing control of your local elementary school.

I have lots of questions about how an ASD or a state takeover of a local school would work. It's the kind of thing people should have questions about. I intend to ask them. But I get tired of the way educational issues get shoehorned into ideological talking points here. So probably I should just stay off these threads. It starts to feel like talking about health care with Republicans.

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It seems as though your

It seems as though your tactic has been to shoehorn every discussion about public education into an ideological talking point in defense of charter schools. And insult everyone else in the process.

Great. We get it. You like the idea of charter schools to "shake things up" in public education. Except that you haven't offered anything specific regarding how charter schools would innovate, or why similar yet undefined innovation cannot happen in public schools.

Perhaps you might also consider that some of us believe a) the opportunity to get a good education is a fundamental right and a responsibility of society, and is best protected by b) having government provided public education paid for by taxpayers and run by elected officials accountable to taxpayers, parents, teachers, students and the public, and that c) any scheme to divert money and resources away from public education should be eyed with a great deal of suspicion.

And some of us are still wondering what all these innovations are that we should be trying in charter schools and why we can't try them in public schools.

Which brings up another point. I think the debate is not so much about public education. I believe everyone (well, almost everyone except for the teabaggers and other assorted free market libertarian types) agrees that public education is a Good Thing. The debate is really about public schools, and how they are run.

If we were to discuss specifics about how public schools are run, I think there would be general agreement that they are not being run very well given the results, and there are a million problems we could be talking about fixing that might involve goals, curricula, methods, measurement, discipline, motivation, professional development of teachers, parental involvement, and a maybe host of external problems that are more likely than not the root cause of low achievement such as segregation and socioeconomic disparities, peer pressures, pop culture influences, a general breakdown of some basic family values (yes, I said it!) and so on, or even more fundamental problems such as poverty and hunger in some cases.

I'm still not convinced, though, that just getting rid of public schools - or setting up alternatives to "compete" and "do things differently" - solves any of the above.

And to the point of the original post, we seem to have set up a system that guarantees failure for certain schools so we can just throw up our hands and make them somebody else's problem - the state and/or private enterprise, or whoever - as long as "we" in the community no longer have to deal with it.

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It seems as though your

It seems as though your tactic has been to shoehorn every discussion about public education into an ideological talking point in defense of charter schools. And insult everyone else in the process.

I think this is only the third time I've even talked about charter schools on KnoxViews, and I haven't been the one to raise the issue any of those times. I don't like simplistic misconceptions of what is actually a complicated issue with a tricky history, so I've tried a few times to clarify what charter schools are and aren't, and how they do or don't work, and the ways those things can vary across the country. People have made statements here warning about things that are explicitly forbidden by Tennessee's own charter law, which suggested to me that some people didn't even know what was in the legislation. These issues are all worth talking about, but it helps to start by knowing the details.

Great. We get it. You like the idea of charter schools to "shake things up" in public education. Except that you haven't offered anything specific regarding how charter schools would innovate, or why similar yet undefined innovation cannot happen in public schools.

Charter schools can innovate in lots of different ways, and some of them have. They can restructure curriculum, educational approaches, the school day and calendar,levels of community engagement and interaction, that's sort of the whole point. There's no one or two things that they can or have to do. They, at least in theory, open up possibilities. And it's not that those things can't happen in current public schools, it's that for the most part they don't. See previous comments about hidebound, authoritarian, turf-protecting bureaucracies.

I'm still not convinced, though, that just getting rid of public schools - or setting up alternatives to "compete" and "do things differently" - solves any of the above.

I don't know if it does either. (And again, this not about "getting rid of public schools." That's not what charter schools do.) But I'm sort of in favor of having more ideas at play rather than fewer.

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I'm still not convinced,

I'm still not convinced, though, that just getting rid of public schools - or setting up alternatives to "compete" and "do things differently" - solves any of the above.

This passage essentially says there are no solutions. You've excluded alternatives and abolition as solutions. That leaves what? The status quo. Is there something magical about Knox County that makes it uniquely qualified to run Austin-East?

What if the PTAs of all the schools that feed A-E were to establish a non-profit board that met publicly, defined goals, solicited donations and otherwise worked toward building hope and community around the school? Is that no good because it might "do things differently"?

jfm keeps asking you guys to demonstrate that your fears about this potential change are grounded, and you take it as an insult. metulj's little lecture about how models are not reality is probably the most pedantic and insulting thing in this thread, short of the whole notion that it's jfm who is being insulting. He is the one who is trying to knock this discussion off the ideological rails.

This legislation may be broad enough for profiteers to sneak in. The way to prevent that is by watching, participating and advocating for meaningful change. If all you do is squeal about what could go wrong, something certainly will.

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This passage essentially says

This passage essentially says there are no solutions. You've excluded alternatives and abolition as solutions.

No, I said do something different in public schools without eliminating (or weakening) public schools. That's all.

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So what if Sam Anderson and

So what if Sam Anderson and Joe Armstrong decide to launch a non-profit dedicated to educating A-E students? Would you support a charter school with good people behind it? How about if the non-profit operates nearby, but independent of the public school? What if it supplements funds the School Board allocates to A-E and does not share them with other county high schools?

Such an incorporated entity could support community initiatives like Lisa Starbuck is talking about, provide breakfast, tutors, enrichment or just shelter and sanctuary.

We could be talking about ways to "do something different" that works rather than bickering about what it is called and whether creeps and corporations might smell money. We could view this as an opportunity rather than a setback.

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So what if Sam Anderson and

So what if Sam Anderson and Joe Armstrong decide to launch a non-profit dedicated to educating A-E students?

That would be swell, as long as it doesn't divert any taxpayer funding from public education to the non-profit.

But what specifically would this non-profit do differently? And whatever that is, why can't it be done within the existing public school system?

Anyway, it appears they have come up with a better innovation!

Austin-East community comes together to avoid state takeover:

...the Austin-East PTSO is hosting a community pep rally on Friday, August 20th, from 5:30 p.m. to 9 p.m. The superintendent will be there, school faculty and staff will be announced and the marching band will perform.

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But what specifically would

But what specifically would this non-profit do differently? And whatever that is, why can't it be done within the existing public school system?

We've already talked about some of the things you could do at a semi-autonomous school (which is basically what TN allows, as far as charters go), basically you can restructure the curriculum, the calendar, the engagement with the community, there are all sorts of things.

As for why it can't be done within the existing system, theoretically I think the school board could grant exemptions and waivers of various kinds to an individual school. The existing magnet schools are an example, to some degree. But you keep asking why these things don't happen in a way that suggests to me that you have very little experience with the bureaucratic reality of public education. It's not that things can't happen, it's that they don't. That's sort of the point of introducing other models. The one we have isn't very good at innovation. That's why public education would probably look more familiar to a 1910-era American than any other institution in the country.

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Uh-huh. I notice you still

Uh-huh. I notice you still dancing around my request for an example of a charter school that mandates the kind of contract you're talking about -- much less an example of how that would even be legal under the existing Tennessee law.

And for the record, if such examples exist -- and I'm not assuming that they don't, just asking where they are -- I'm agin' 'em. I wouldn't be in favor of a state law that gave charter schools that particular power, or a charter school that exercised it. We're talking about Tennessee here, and the way I read the law, what you're talking about isn't part of the charter-school equation.

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I read that Massachusetts

I read that Massachusetts report, and it doesn't say what you think it says. The arbitration requirement is for contract disputes between the school board and the management company, there's nothing in there about parents signing a contract and agreeing to arbitration. And yes, that's a for-profit management company, and I think I've made my own feelings clear about that side of things.

The "benefit" of incorporating is that most charter laws set parameters about which kinds of groups and entities are eligible to apply for charters. There's a lot of variety, but a lot of them (including Tennessee) require there to be some existing legal entity, like a university or foundation or some kind of nonprofit structure. Under most laws, you can't just walk in off the street and apply for a charter.

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citations

I don't have time to list all j.f.m.'s requested citations re: school management practices but a good place to start is this interview of Diane Ravitch, a former proponent of private-public school partnerships who worked in the GW Bush administration.

(link...)

Read her book "The Death and Life of the Great American School System"

Also, this website:
(link...)

j.f.m.'s picture

I know a lot about Diane

I know a lot about Diane Ravitch. I interviewed her years ago when she was on one side of the issue, and I've read that link on here before.

That doesn't begin to answer my question. You asserted that either charter schools or the ASD (and I'm not even sure which one you're talking about) would establish this whole set of parameters and conditions, and I don't see anything even remotely like those things in the state or federal laws. If you're admitting that you just made it up, that's fine. But it's a heck of a leap to go from Ravitch's legitimate but general concerns to saying "This is what would happen here."

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update on New Orleans reform project

The students who are at highest risk for failure are not being served appropriately in charters.

(link...)

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I've read about that, too.

I've read about that, too. It's one set of complaints from one set of students. Were those students being served well before the restructuring? Hard to tell. There are special education lawsuits in every school system in America, including those with no charter schools at all. Just ask Knox County. It's a really difficult and complicated problem (I say this as the parent of a special education student), and introducing charter schools certainly complicates it more. Under the federal law, students with disabilities have to be accommodated, but not necessarily at any given school. Those parents and students have my sympathy. But it doesn't mean that exclusion is built into the charter-school model. Under federal charter laws, the schools are required to be as inclusive as possible.

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Maybe the City, County, and

Maybe the City, County, and school system need to have a conversation with the parents, students, teachers, and local community to discuss what they think might help resolve the problem. Some of the conversation should probably be with anonymous input to lessen fears of retribution and ridicule.

Maybe someone needs to look into the feeder schools, Vine Magnet and South-Doyle Middle. Can anyone say how the students from each are doing once they enter Austin-East High School?

Update: There is a community forum scheduled for today, August 10, 2010, at 6 PM, at the high school.

Austin-East will host a community forum on Tuesday, Aug. 10 at 6 p.m. to discuss the school's academic achievement and progress, inform parents about school choice options, and to hear and discuss parent and community insights about Austin-East. The forum is open to the public.

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Another, maybe. Maybe they

Another, maybe. Maybe they should re-think the curriculum? What is most useful to get the kids attention, keep them in school and learning, and prepare them for life after high school?

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I have been inside AE

Ask what percentage of AE students are taking remedial level academics first. Then, look at what the school was built to emphasize. The performing arts half of the school is better than Farragut or HVA. The academic half of the school is similar to every other old school in Knox County. The original "Fame" was a fun movie, but it isn't the best model for a school in Knoxville, Tn when the students with options in their life can buy the training without ever venturing into the AE district.

Want to see the inside of AE? Call and ask to visit on a day when students aren't there. Even if you don't want to see the inside, drive the neighborhood. There is a funeral home practically across the street from the school. The area is bereft of hope.

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Austin East

At the school board workshop last night when the Austin East issue was raised, Cindy Buttry said that there has been more money poured into A/E than any other school, with very poor results. I think Cathy's post is very likely why we see these problems - the money was spent on the wrong things and the wrong focus.

If that money could have been instead directed towards a community school model, maybe there would be more community involvement in the school (and the surrounding area) and better results for our money.

bizgrrl's picture

On the Austin East website

On the Austin East website they have a link to a slide show for an "Attendance Summit 2009."

Attendance, or lack there of, appears to be an issue. In 2009, the average number of freshmen present (158) was twenty-one less than the number of enrolled freshmen (179). The attendance rate for the school was 88% in 2008 compared to the system rate of 91%. Something different must have been done in 2007 because the attendance rate was 98%, then dropped to the 88% in 2008 (or the chart is wrong). Reasons for not attending school, 26% reported sickness and 25% on suspension.

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Community Schools

Sorry to chime in a little late here, but the community schools model is an example of a strategy that works well for at-risk children as well as high achievers. In a nutshell, the idea is that our school buildings should be the centers of the community and that more services and activities than just educating children from 8-3 should take place there. The advantages are many - it brings needed services such as after school enrichment in the form of athletics, music, art, computer learning, community service, etc. to the children as well as providing health care, family style meals, adult education, etc. It really gets the community involved in the school because the school is truly the center of the community and benefits more than just the children. Many of the services provided are being provided elsewhere anyway, they just get moved to the schools. Why should the school buildings sit empty after school, on weekends, and during the summer when they are one of the communities' largest investments?

Here's a link for more information about community schools and how it has worked in other communities. Dr. Bob Kronick at UT is a proponent of this idea and has been implementing it in a limited way in a couple of schools with high-risk children and has had some good success. I think he just got funding for an expansion of his work.

I think an approach like this could work well at Austin-East, but also at Farragut - it isn't just the child in poverty that needs these kind of services, it's also the single-parent career mom that would benefit from not having to rush to pick up Sally for violin. Instead, violin class is offered at the school in a safe environment and the bonus is that Sally gets a nutritious meal and help with her homework too.

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Yeah, I think the

Yeah, I think the community-school model has a lot of merit.

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school vouchers

there's been talk of these vouchers or so-called 'scholarships' for awhile. for example, check out chas sisk's blog from nashville on the subject.

One piece of leg­is­la­tion that wasn’t on Gov. Phil Bredesen’s docket — a bill estab­lish­ing a pilot pro­gram for school choice — has made its way onto the cal­en­dar for the spe­cial ses­sion on education.

The Sen­ate Edu­ca­tion Com­mit­tee approved the mea­sure spon­sored by Sen. Brian Kelsey that estab­lishes a pilot pro­gram whereby stu­dents in fail­ing schools would receive schol­ar­ships or vouch­ers to use for a pri­vate school edu­ca­tion. The bill is writ­ten so that the pilot pro­gram could only be launched in the Mem­phis school dis­trict, and it was amended so that stu­dents in only one school in that dis­trict would get the vouch­ers. (Kelsey had orig­i­nally pro­posed includ­ing stu­dents from the district’s 10 worst schools in the pilot program.)

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Well, that sounds like a bad

Well, that sounds like a bad idea. I don't think vouchers will do what their proponents think they will do.

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The Ideological Lottery

Spattered in amidst the rhetoric of school reform in this discussion is the matter of community--that thing which is the sui generis of whether any public educational endeavor is effective.

j.f.m. wrote:

At some point, parents in some inner-city school system will just say, the hell with it, why not?

Indeed, if their experience demonstrates a lack of value for the product that schools deliver. Their children are not far behind and soon lead the charge when the general social dynamic of their community openly rejects the benefits of education in favor of something else that is culturally produced.

The facts of the matter state that it is irrelevant who provides the core educational content and administration--or to a great degree what that content is. What is critical is the perceived value of the experience being offered by those who are being asked to consume it. And for those of you who do not live in the immediate service area of Austin East--I can assure you that it is not a hell of a lot.

We can busily cite hundreds of historic social blunders, defective policies, and imposed limitations that have woven themselves together to create the dysfunctional communities that are the feeder to schools like this everywhere. The key is to introduce a "game changer" into the social equation--and it must be one that the community itself has ownership and investment in.

There has been much work to improve the housing stock within the areas served by AE. Much more must be done. Economic development is the next step--as visibility of success is required to contrast against "alternative" illegal economies, reliance on social safety nets, and providing proof that education has positive economic outcomes.

We will not even spend more than a moment considering the badly thought out and resulting failure of the Five Points project--except to recognize that it was something that the community was not ready for, not invested in, and the brainchild of social reformers from outside the community itself that seem to have been educated beyond their native intelligence. America is littered with such "progressive" failures.

Yes, turning the school into a community and social hub is a tremendous step in the right direction. Turning it into a hub of access to formal social services and activities determined by those outside the community is not. What happens must be the wishes of the community members, be operated by those community members, and have real value.

That changes attitudes, and changed attitudes result in more positive outcomes.

R. Neal's picture

+1

+1

j.f.m.'s picture

Well said. But once said, how

Well said.

But once said, how accomplished?

j.f.m.'s picture

And also, I don't remember

And also, I don't remember all the ins and outs of the Five Points project, and I wasn't around for the latter stages of it. But I was at enough Empowerment Zone meetings early on to think that it's a little too simple to say it was purely the product of people "outside the community." There was a whole mandate for community involvement, and a whole lot of meetings with a whole lot of people. The better lesson is probably that even community involvement only goes so far. It's not enough for people, even people in the community, to just want something to happen. There needs to be leadership and follow-through, and the thing itself has to be something concretely achievable.

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