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Mar 1 2007
03:47 pm
Knoxquerious's picture

gazoontite

"I wanted some time to get what I needed in the office," Witt said. "It took me about three weeks to absorb everything."

ah...AH..achooobullshit..sniff sniff

Rachel's picture

But Cletus, don't you

But Cletus, don't you realize that Knox County will just fall apart with Steve????

Cletus's picture

Rachel, don't you mean fall

Rachel, don't you mean fall apart without Steve?

Rachel's picture

Rachel, don't you mean fall

Rachel, don't you mean fall apart without Steve?

Boy, was that a Freudian slip....

Cletus's picture

In any event, Kickin'

In any event, Kickin' Chicken distributors in East Tennessee are breathing a sigh of relief that he's earning a paycheck again.

Patricia's picture

Only reason it was 3 weeks

It took 3 weeks for Witt to restock Hall's minibar he had in his office.
No surprise he is back, and McBride as Chief Deputy, he is in Hall's back pocket.

oldyounghi's picture

Another example of " We'll

Another example of " We'll do anything we want with the fee offices because we are the chosen ones, and the voters will forget before the 08 elections ". Sherry is just following the example of JJ, Fred, and John by hiring their old bosses back.

Ennui's picture

What complete bunch of

What complete bunch of assholes. Add Sherry Witt to that list as well...I had hoped at least one office would demonstrate some integrity.

tin cup's picture

Why not vote............?

I read the goofy comments about Sherry Witt appointing Mr. Hall as her assistant. She's Register of Deeds. She has the authority to hire anybody she wants in this position. Since Mr. Hall was recently "elected" (overwhelmingly as he had been every 4 years since 1980), Knox County voters seem to think he's a pretty good choice to be in that office. Get over it. Personally, I felt disenfranchised when the TN Supreme Court reversed the recent elections. Steve Hall was on my ballot. I voted for Steve Hall. He was elected in a landslide. He was removed last month. Ms. Witt put him back in the office. Good for her!

Ennui's picture

Laughable, tin cup.

Laughable, tin cup.

ultron's picture

tin cup, I believe you are

tin cup, I believe you are required to include the phrase "move on" sumewheres in there.

D Mac's picture

2008

I am going to vote for the candidate in 2008 that vows, if elected, to thoroughly audit their departments staffing and salaries. A good look at who is related to whom would also be in order. This is just sickening.

Shame on Sherry Witt. Shame on Steve Hall.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Advertised how/where?

From N-S story: "(Witt) said six people applied for the post..."

Only six people applied for an administrative assistant postition paying $69,000?

It doesn't sound as if the position was advertised very widely. Did I miss a reference to *how* it was advertised?

rocketsquirrel's picture

hmm

wonder who the other 5 were and their quals for a $69k administrative assistant position?

wonder what skills such a position requires? typing WPM? computer skills?

Just because the exec has run the office for a long time doesn't mean that person has the skills required for a lower level position. was this $69k admin assistant an existing position that needed filling, or was it recently created with a specific person in mind?

I think the taxpayers deserve some answers on that for each of these offices where the former elected official has been hired back.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Witt's office different

rocketsquirrel: "...was this $69k admin assistant an existing position that needed filling, or was it recently created with a specific person in mind?"

I think you've hit on the million-dollar question, rs. Unlike those ploys in the other fee offices, Witt had already hired her own replacement, her deputy.

So *was* a position open in this office, prior to Hall's removal?

Again, how are such openings advertised and are they posted somewhere within county government (I would think so)?

StaceyDiamond's picture

darn good money

Compared to other comparable jobs in town the county pays darn good! Diane Jordan makes 18$ an hour for whatever she does for a clerk. Stacey

Pickens's picture

Speedyrodent

let me know when you get those answers. I predict you'll get them around the 12th of Never.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Lurkers?

Or maybe we can depend on any journalists lurking? ;-)

oldyounghi's picture

D Mac, you are absolutely

D Mac, you are absolutely right. The taxpayers and voters need to support a candidate that will have a COMPLETE audit of staffing in the fee offices. What about kids of one office holder making a rather large salary while working in another fee office, and vice-versa ? It's you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours, and to hell with the tax payers.

tin cup's picture

How do you know..............

How do you know Sherry Witt didn't do a COMPLETE audit of staffing and salary issues before hiring Steve Hall in this position? On second thought, Ms. Witt should have known better...she should have called Rocketsquirrel, D Mac, T Shepherd, et al and got their opinions first.

Here's the question: Is the Deeds office staying within its budget and providing the "services" to the public that it's supposed to be providing? From 1980 through January, 2007 (27 years), the voters OVERWHELMINGLY thought so. That's why they continued to RE-ELECT STEVE HALL every 4 years. If the fact that Ms. Witt hired Steve Hall is a deal killer for you voting for her in the next election, guess what? That's your choice -- vote for her opponent if she runs.

Knoxquerious's picture

Deal....or no deal

It is all speculation, but I am sure it was just part of the deal. All these folks hired their old bosses back on because it was in the cards. Witt probably would have never gotten a sniff of the job had she refused to hire Hall back. Same with Fred, Tim and the rest of the bunch.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Wrong question

tin cup: "Here's the question: Is the Deeds office staying within its budget and providing the "services" to the public that it's supposed to be providing? From 1980 through January, 2007 (27 years), the voters OVERWHELMINGLY thought so. That's why they continued to RE-ELECT STEVE HALL every 4 years. If the fact that Ms. Witt hired Steve Hall is a deal killer for you voting for her in the next election, guess what? That's your choice -- vote for her opponent if she runs."

Why is it *not* prudent to ask whether Witt did (or could) conduct a complete audit of Deeds office needs in just the last 3 or 4 weeks? Why is it *not* prudent to ask whether a support position paying $69,000 is among those needs? Why is it *not* prudent to ask how such a plum position was advertised, given only five other applicants responded?

Given all the new information media have supplied taxpayers over the last few weeks, especially information to the effect that fee office budgets may have long been padded, your complete disinterest in these questions is inexplicable. Your suggestion that any rectification of problems can just wait the year and a half until a September 2008 swearing-in ceremony is inexplicable, too. I really think the ball is in your court to explain your thinking more fully.

As for Steve Hall having been repeatedly elected to office, I think you should consider how low a percentage of our general population cast that vote of confidence, in those or any local elections. Given that 80% or more of registered voters don't even turn out for local elections, a candidate with just one opponent may win an election with the support of only 10% of registered voters--and that observation doesn't take into account all those folks who don't even register to vote. It has never and will never be said that a local candidate assumes office under some kind of public mandate.

So, unless you're among those 80% who don't vote or those others who can't vote, explain yourself???

Patricia's picture

Tincup says:

From 1980 through January, 2007 (27 years), the voters OVERWHELMINGLY thought so. That's why they continued to RE-ELECT STEVE HALL every 4 years.

You are correct, but out of those 27 years, only twice has he been opposed in the primary.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Tidbits to pursue further...

Hmmm. I just phoned the number I found for Human Resources on the Knox County website. It seems it was the wrong human resources office to field any inquiries on Deeds office (or any fee office) practices, as all fee offices conduct their own human resource activities. Can you say duplication of services?

Anyway, the Human Resources office I reached, which fills positions under Mayor Ragsdale's oversight (like libraries, parks, etc.), *does* have job descriptions and established pay ranges for all positions and they *are* required to promote any openings to the public. Maybe you've noticed job notices posted in your branch library?

I'm curious, now, to know if the human resource offices for the fee offices act similarly. Did you notice that in today's N-S story, Ferrar offers a link to salary.com, rather than to any established pay range on any county website? Does that mean Ferrar couldn't report the pay range for Hall's position per Hall's job description because no pay range/job description exists???

Just asking...

LadyVols's picture

Here's the question: Is the

Here's the question: Is the Deeds office staying within its budget and providing the "services" to the public that it's supposed to be providing? From 1980 through January, 2007 (27 years), the voters OVERWHELMINGLY thought so. That's why they continued to RE-ELECT STEVE HALL every 4 years."

Cup, first everything you say is true in the above, the question is was there some dirty dealings in his return? When you consider all that went on with Cate, Jordon and the rest you have to cast a jaded eye in Mr. Hall's direction.

Looks like a story for Ms. Bean she could write about the vote counts when he won and IF the office really is inside the budget along with looking into just how his return came about.

You sound very REPUBLICAN and you are not welcome here if that is the case!

Troll=Stupid

D Mac's picture

Wait for the budget battles to begin

I am sure that when the county budget battle begins and they have to find millions of dollars to fund the Sheriffs pension plan, there will be much scrutiny of all county offices. Either find where the fat is and excise it or increase taxes. Wonder which the public will want to do?

Ennui's picture

A tax increase right now

A tax increase right now would indeed be a hard sell to Knox Co.

LadyVols's picture

So, unless you're among

So, unless you're among those 80% who don't vote or those others who can't vote, explain yourself???"

great question!
Steve obviously did a very good job while in the job and just like the others who road back or in on family and friend's love, he is back.

Is it worth 69K to have his guidance return to the office? If it will keep the budget even it could be? Still that just looks like (to some posters here) a ton of money for someone to assist?

As for the low voter turn outs another great observation! Look at who is running the city now and tell me IF just 25% more people turned out which ones would still be there? The same holds true across the state, if our side had just showed up FORD would not be teaching school now. Everyone should encourage voters to get to the polls!!

Troll=Smart..uh ok REALLY stupid

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Non-partisan topic

LV: "...if our side had just showed up FORD would not be teaching school now."

Thanks for the affirmation, LV--and thanks for your perfectly reasonable post on that "Gore smear" thread earlier this morn.

But really, this particular topic isn't one of any partisan bent, so I hope you didn't feel you had to offer that Ford reference to be invited to join the conversation. You'll find the non-partisan stuff crops up here, too.

Welcome back to the island ;-)

Sym's picture

tin cup = Nick McBride

Nick is notorious for surfing and posting anonymously- especially when you start launching attacks against Steve Hall (RoD).

Come on Nick...you posted fifty comments a day on caswalker.com...and were outed by Mike Arms. So, why do you still hide behind false usernames? Wouldn't it be something to track the IP address back to the CCB...specifically to the system that is maintained in the RoD's office by you.

R. Neal's picture

"wouldn't it be

"wouldn't it be something"

Yeah, that would be something. But it ain't going to happen. And even if it did you wouldn't hear about it. I realize you've only been registered here for a few minutes, but take a moment to read the site rules.

Terry Troll's picture

Been gone too long

I have lived away from Ktown for a number of years and am just catching up on the politics for about a year. Followed Don Williams here this week. Nice site. What are the chances that the next election will see most of the appointed crew gone? Or will apathy set in?

tin cup's picture

First Amendment & Nick McBride........

LadyVols, what difference does it make if I'm a Republican or Democrat or otherwise? Wait a minute, I forgot. Liberals only squawk about First Amendment rights when they're defending flag burning or gay parades and the like. Others need not apply.

Sym, I'm not Nick McBride either. First, I couldn't afford to take a $175K per year pay cut. Second, since he is a County Official, Nick could never get away with telling you to kiss his ass.

KTB's picture

It sounds to me like Sherry

It sounds to me like Sherry Witt doesn't feel like she can do the job without somebody holding her hand.

Maybe, next time we should think about appointing people who are qualified to handle the position instead of appointing unqualified people and then hiring another person to do the job.

On the bright side, if the position was newly created at least they are creating new high paying jobs for Knoxville citizens.

KTB

R. Neal's picture

Quote of the day

On the bright side, if the position was newly created at least they are creating new high paying jobs for Knoxville citizens.

Hahaha. Quote of the day.

CBT's picture

"You sound very REPUBLICAN

"You sound very REPUBLICAN and you are not welcome here if that is the case!"

Well, I'm a Republican (former Party Chairman, I might add) and I've been around for a year, maybe two? I posted on South Knox Bubba, same song, first verse. I use my real name. This is pretty much the only blog I read or post on. Most everyone knows who I am. I see others who post on this blog on a regular basis, downtown and other places.

I realize many who post here don't agree with some of my politics. So what. It's never stopped me from having a friendly conversation or sharing a beer or two with those same folks.

Thanks to Randy for running an 'progressive' blog. The only downside is that in this area, with more readers and posting, you're likely to get a few more folks like me giving an 'alternative' view on some issues.

R. Neal's picture

We are happy to have you

We are happy to have you around, CBT.

cafkia's picture

Fee offices in general

What kind of moron says that if a fee office is making money then all is well? Why not consider what contribution the office is making to the county coffers as opposed to what they could be contributing. According to my title attorney friends, it is important to have the office function competently but, the idea that as long as they do, they should be able to hire, fire, move or stay without input from the county constituents or their representatives is something that only a shill/troll could come up with. Or maybe Tin Cup likes paying higher county taxes so that the fee offices can have a lower contribution to the county coffers. It is fine that (s)he doesn't have any use for the (potentially) additional funds but, I can think of several uses off the top of my head.

Here is an idea Tin Cup, go the hell away and let the adults have a conversation. Explaining gravity is tiresome and we should not have to do it for every moron who gets a new computer/connection.

CAFKIA

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It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.
  - William G. McAdoo

CBT's picture

CAFKIA is right. Fee

CAFKIA is right. Fee offices often talk about "audits". That generally means 'we collected $1 from Mr. X and here's what we did with it', i.e. we didn't lose it. There are few measures for oversight and 'audits' of personnel, performance and systems. What are we doing and can we do it cheaper and/or better? Are we maximizing personnel? Those questions are generally left only to the elected officeholder. And, this applies to all offices, not just the Register of Deeds.

tin cup's picture

Aloha from a Moron.............

Sorry for getting you all riled up, CAFKIA. It takes a village of smart people like you and your attorney friends to figure things out for the rest of us.......

LadyVols's picture

The only downside is that in

The only downside is that in this area, with more readers and posting, you're likely to get a few more folks like me giving an 'alternative' view on some issues."

How many do you think post here though? At times it feels like the same person is posting under more than a few screen names because they have a style that they just can't shake.

I would love an open blog (this one is close!) that would let everyone speak their mind and respect all opinions no matter how odd or stupid they sound to others.

Also how great would it be to see some of these posters face to face! Not much of a drinker here (wine at Baker Peters now and then) but if any want to gather then I would be glad to buy the first few rounds.

Former Stupid Troll

LadyVols's picture

Hi, Show of hands from

Hi,

Show of hands from everyone who has ever had a good experience dealing with H.R.!

LOL

Sandra Clark's picture

Audits

Once upon a time, the county commission decided to fund a performance audit on the school system. Then someone, maybe Wanda Moody, suggested that they also audit the Sheriff, Assessor and fee offices.

The officeholders came en mass to a commission meeting and got an amendment to perform the audit AFTER the election.

Someone, maybe John Schmid, said but wouldn't the audit be more beneficial BEFORE the election so that anything found could be a campaign issue?

The silence was intense. -- s.

9dogs4me's picture

Tin Cup & Patricia

Tin Cup, after reading all the responses, you actually seem like the most intelligent one of the bunch.

By the way Patricia, do you have any proof of a minibar in Steve Hall's office? Of course NOT!!! Joke or not....NOT funny. How some of you people can defame other peoples character is beyond me! I guess it would not be as funny if someone was defaming you huh? I think that all ANYONE has in life is their character. I would make damn sure that I had facts not (he said she said) rumors before I would hurt anyone. What ever happened to Judge Not And Ye Shall Not Be Judged? (Wait...maybe that was too Republican to say) Patricia surely your not perfect right?

Tamara Shepherd's picture

To 9dogs

Patricia's comment probably related to an observation Bean made earlier on another thread, 9dogs, and Bean has had a couple of decades to collect her first-hand observations. She was understandably hesitant to share them until the point that Hall ceased to be a public figure, so no charge of any political agenda need be applied to her (Bean's) comments now...

But go on. Why are you so confident a "needs" audit was made? Why are you so confident that Hall's position was among those needs? Why do you not question an *obviously* narrow job search for that position (that netted 6 applicants) and an *obviously* high salary for the postion (per the salary.com data Ferrar offered)? Why do you not question that Ferrar offered salary.com data, rather than the county's own in-house job description and established pay range and does that not raise a question in your mind as to whether such a job description and pay range exist? Why do you not question the duplication of effort inherent in independent human resource personnel/services among the various fee offices, when the county already employs personnel to conduct those services? Did you catch those news stories on the subject of padded budgets in the various fee offices? And, in particular, why do you not question all these things when the liklihood of an 8-cent property tax increase has already been previewed as a necessity to fund the new Sheriff's Department pension plan?

You've offered an opinion, but what's your thinking to support it?

9dogs4me's picture

Legitimate Questions..........

TShep, you've conveniently confused the issues here. If you want to ask the recruiting questions, salary of position, etc., fine. It's the unfounded personal attacks that I object to. If Beanie has made a personal observation over the decades that Steve Hall had (has) a mini-bar in his office, let her state that WITHOUT the typical qualifiers she uses. Even you, Shep, "PROBABLY related to an observation she made earlier"........You had to qualify your justification of Patricia's cheap shot.

Patricia's picture

9doggy says

By the way Patricia, do you have any proof of a minibar in Steve Hall's office
Ask his hourly office staff. You know the few that actually work in the office, not the many who get a check because they are his political buddies.

I think that all ANYONE has in life is their character
Well, he is a character all right

Patricia surely your not perfect right?
Of course I am not perfect, never stated that I was.

Sit, stay, rollover

cafkia's picture

more newby silliness

Your not-so-accusation that neither Patricia nor Tamara could possibly know what they are talking about sure seems like a judgement to me. Whatever happened to Judge Not ...?

Listen newby, it is the right and duty of citizens to question the behavior and character of those who are elected or appointed and paid with public monies. Your inane defense of the indefensible does little but mark you as a shill for the local rethug establishment. (Yea newby, I just judged you. Get over it)

When I was in the military in the mid 70s there were signs all over the place that said "Avoid even the appearance of conflict of interest". Pretty good advice doncha think? If it was good advice for a powerless hick kid from East Knoxville, it must be great advice for elected officials.

This situation needs to be investigated, scruitinized, analyzed and found to be either acceptable or unacceptable but, BUT what it doesn't need is to be swept away on the advice of shills of questionable morals and/or intellect.

Your turn

CAFKIA

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It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.
  - William G. McAdoo

Scott Emge's picture

Freedom of Information Act Request

Over the last few months there have been many questions raised about the hiring practices, staff size and payroll in the Knox County Government Fee Offices. In particular, the Knox County Register of Deeds office has been reported to have a staff and payroll as large as or larger than other bigger counties in the state that do nearly double the volume of work and handle twice the amount of money. These questions deserve to be answered and they can be with the help of the fee office administrators. For these reasons I have filed (via certified mail) the following Freedom of Information Act request to Ms. Sherry Witt, Knox County Register of Deeds.

Sherry Witt
Knox County Register of Deeds
Suite 225
City County Building
Knoxville, TN 37902

Re: Freedom of Information Act Request

Dear Ms. Witt,

As you know, any documentation concerning budgets, expenditures, payroll and employees of the Register of Deeds Office is public record.
Therefore, I request that a copy of the following documents(or documents containing the following information) be provided to me: annual financial statements, annual office budgets, records of office expenditures, and payroll records for the Knox County Register of Deeds Office (including employee names, job titles and job descriptions) from 1980 to present.

I call for a waiver of any fees for these materials. Disclosure of the requested information to me is in the public interest because it is likely to contribute
significantly to public understanding of the operations or activities of the Knox County Register of Deeds Office and is not primarily in my commercial interest. I feel obligated to inform you that any and all information you provide to me will also be made available to the Knoxville News Sentinel and other local media outlets.

I would appreciate you giving this request your prompt attention. Please contact me at your earliest convenience and let me know when I can expect to receive the above requested information.

Sincerely,

Scott Emge

Tamara Shepherd's picture

More than I wanted

That's more than I wanted, Scott! I'm just curious about Witt's alleged "needs audit" that resulted in Hall's hire. Let us know if you receive any job description and established pay range for a $69,000 administrative assistant position...

Oh, and a copy of that job posting and/or advertisement that netted only five other applicants for the job would be timely, too.

(P.S.--Dunno that Witt could supply records going back 27 years to 1980. That's a lotta bankers boxes! Maybe 7 years?)

Scott Emge's picture

That would be alot of boxes.

(P.S.--Dunno that Witt could supply records going back 27 years to 1980. That's a lotta bankers boxes! Maybe 7 years?)

That would be alot of boxes. I'm hoping that the documents I requested can be provided to me on disc. The office recieved my letter on Monday and so far, no reply.

Scott Emge's picture

Update

Well, I didn't get a resonse from the Register of Deeds Office to my Freedom of Information Act request. Yesterday however, (3/6) I did get a letter from Mary Ann Stackhouse, Chief Deputy Law Director. Her letter reads...

Re: Your Freedom of Information Act Request to the Knox County Register of Deeds

Dear Mr. Emge:

Your Freedom of Information Act Request has been forwarded to me by the Register of Deeds Office. Under Tennessee law, this kind of request is governed by the *Tennessee Public Records Act.

The Register of Deeds Office is determining what gathering records back to 1980 will entail. It is believed that some records may be in archives.

I will be back in touch with you as soon as practicable. If you have any questions, please feel free to call me.

Very Truly Yours,

Mary Ann Stackhouse
Chief Deputy Law Director

* The Tennessee Public Records Act is found in T.C.A. § 10-7-101 et seq. For purposes of access to public records, the operative provision is found in T.C.A. § 10-7-503, which states in relevant part: “All state county and municipal records ... shall at all times, during business hours, be open for public inspection by any citizen of Tennessee, and those in charge of such records shall not refuse such right of inspection to any citizen, unless provided by state law.”
“Records” are defined as “all documents, papers, letters, maps, books, photographs, microfilms, electronic data processing files and output, films, sound recordings, or other material, regardless of physical form or characteristics made or received pursuant to law or ordinance or in connection with the transaction of official business of any governmental agency.” T.C.A. § 10-7-301

Will the Register of Deeds Office actually produce any of the requested materials? We'll see.

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