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Sep 23 2013
02:21 am
How many adjuncts are at UT, Pellissippi State, etc?
From NPR ...
Today, these itinerant teachers make up a whopping 75 percent of college instructors, with their average pay between $20,000 and $25,000 annually.
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(in reply to metulj)
It's outrageous, Toby.
I knew adjuncts made little, but I didn't know they made this little.
Like jbr's link says:
The Other UT (Texas)
(in reply to metulj)
When I was at Texas, the Board of Regents sided with grad student instructors to get the state law changed so that they could provide health insurance for GTAs and Assistant Instructors. However, I think their adjuncts still don't get benefits.
My wife teaches at a local juco and they use tons of adjuncts and the pay is truly awful - I think her take home pay for teaching two classes in the spring ended up being $400 a month!
It's really bad at the local
It's really bad at the local community colleges which are built on adjunct labor. Adjuncts are paid between $2,000 - $2,500 per course. How the total number of courses were asigned was always a mystery to me.
Assigned that is... ;-)
(in reply to Stick)
Assigned that is... ;-)
actually, it's $1,800 for an English course
(in reply to Stick)
and our JUCO is a TBR institution. Wonder if there is variation between schools or subjects.
If I recall correctly the pay
(in reply to Greg H)
If I recall correctly the pay depends on the degree held by the wage-slave... I mean adjunct.
....and certain dubious
(in reply to metulj)
Never passes up an opportunity....
I will ask my accountant.
(in reply to metulj)
I will ask my accountant.
Btw I mainly commented to point out JD is not a terminal degree, as much as lawyers and the ABA want people to equate it with a PhD. Master of Laws is a higher degree than a JD, which is really not a true doctorate. It's a conceit (so, dubious is not off the mark) cooked up by the ABA and universities that wanted to remove law from the undergraduate curriculum - formerly leading to the Bachelor of Laws that took longer to get than a BA or BS - in favor of creating a post-graduate professional program offering a spiffy "Juris Doctor" degree. Added prestige, not to mention revenue for the schools. There is a long history of the term "Juris Doctor" pre-dating the 1960s movement to supersede the old LLB programs with new JD programs, but the thing we now call JD is non-terminal and therefore not akin to a PhD.
The terminal law degree is the SJD, Doctor of Juridical Science, offered at a few universities for the type of people I can only imagine to be almost pure sociopaths.
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(in reply to metulj)
n/t
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(in reply to metulj)
Hilde will have to answer that particular question, but I can tell you that an old flame (he's very old now) worked as a law clerk in his second and third year in law school and made close to $40K--and that was thirty years ago.
Then, he graduated in May, landed his first full-time gig for $60K in June.
The firm mailed him a check for $15K, along with the suggestion that he just take the summer off.
He reported to work in September in his new 300ZX t-top.
1985-ish.
Around $3000.
(in reply to metulj)
Around $3000.
Here you go.
(in reply to metulj)
$143,900.
And your point is what? That
(in reply to metulj)
And your point is what? That tenured professors often lead cushy lives? Granted. It helps explain why so many people expend huge amounts of money chasing "terminal degrees" only to find themselves stuck in a hell of student debt and adjunct teaching sweatshops.
Two Points
(in reply to Knoxoasis)
One, you're a little out of date. His income is $163,870.
Two, how much you make and how cushy your job is depends on the college and field of study. Law profs have it very easy and are well compensated even though law school has really become one big scam.
Yeah, i got a PhD so i could
(in reply to metulj)
Yeah, i got a PhD so i could lead an easy life. right.
Granted. But you have to eat, and I doubt you went to all that trouble in anticipation of the life of a permanent adjunct.
Because of a light teaching load, adjuncts take up slack.
That may be true in many academic contexts, but I don't think it's quite the case with the UT College of Law. As far as I can tell, they use adjuncts mainly to teach in areas that the tenured professors, who are in the main academics, have less experience - areas like trial practice and pre-trial procedure. For many decades it was axiomatic that in law school you were taught everything except the location of the courthouse door. I applaud UT for breaking with that tradition somewhat to offer aspects of a practical education, and if adjuncts, who are recruited for their wealth of real-world experience, can do the job better than professors who haven't seen the inside of a courtroom in 20 years, then the quality of education that the students will get arguably will be improved.
ruminations on settled law (the 2nd amendment)
Actually 2nd Amendment jurisprudence is very much in flux, more so than it has been in decades. In any event, calling anything in the law (or practically anything else subject to human inquiry) "settled" is just a fancy way of saying "shut up." States' rights to prohibit sodomy were settled, until they weren't. States' rights to prohibit same sex marriage were settled, until they weren't. Nothing in law is ever "settled."
esoteria (outer space)
Academics don't dabble in esoteria? Who knew?
In any event, the question I would ask is why he has such a light course load? Who decides this? The Dean of the law school, Doug Blaze, who spent years managing the law clinic, is no one's idea of a right-winger so far as I can tell, so I doubt if it's Reynolds' politics that give him a pass. Is it because the Law School doesn't want him to teach but can't fire him because of tenure? Is it because he refuses to teach more and they can't fire him because of tenure? If it is either of the two, then it seems the question should be more about the efficacy of tenure than of the work ethic of Reynolds. If it's neither, then it seems that the responsibility for his course load lies with the administration as much (or more) as (than) it does with Reynolds.
The same is probably true of
(in reply to metulj)
The same is probably true of the other 'trade schools' that provide professional training, like architecture and medicine.
The study of law has an
(in reply to metulj)
The study of law has an academic side and a practical side. As a matter of fact, I doubt that 5% of law students (it may be higher in the Ivories)go to law school for any other reason than to learn a trade. It wasn't all that long ago that the apprenticeship model was how lawyers were made. The same argument can be (and probably in the near future will be) made for encouraging more people to become P.A.s and Nurse Practitioners rather than going to med school, where, as in law school, much time is spent on the theories that underlie the practice. Law school teaches the student the sort of critical thinking that allows the student to be successful in the courtroom or in more esoteric areas of law that don't involve litigation. To address a legal problem, a successful lawyer must learn how to address the problem in a lawyerly way. Learning the theory that underlies the practice is pretty critical in acquiring those skills.
The funny thing is that from what I've read, Glenn Reynolds would likely agree with much of what you just wrote. He is a regular critic of how higher ed is done, including the legal education model.
Clearly
(in reply to metulj)
You've not spent much time helping apprentice welders pass a journeyman's exam. If you don't understand materials science, you can't be a union welder on a nuclear facility or sewage plant.
(I've only worked with two guys on their tests so I can't attest to other facilities that might be regulated.)
I was also shocked at the amount of math they were required to know. College level trig and geometry as I recall. It was a tough test. And yes , a journeyman EARNS good money. He has to work for it.
There's nothing like elitists looking down on working people, explaining to us what our lives are like.
While we're on the subject of actually working.......
(in reply to fischbobber)
A fascinating conversation to have should one ever have the opportunity, is a conversation about the properties of various types of wood from different breeds of trees with a master carpenter.
The reason a well rounded individual chooses the duality of working on both a profession and a skilled craft is not because one is easier than the other, but rather the yearning of a well rounded soul recognizes that the pursuit of knowledge has both a theoretical and practical side.
Quite the chuckle
(in reply to metulj)
We got quite the chuckle over this post this morning out in the wash tunnel. While soaping down a diesel a co-worker noted that you appeared to be living proof of Thorstein Veblen's economic evolution from a worker to the leisure class.
That was after quite a lively discourse over the course of the shift about whether or not becoming a master welder was indeed easier than obtaining a PhD, (we don't disrespect you for choosing the easy way, we've seen tens of thousands walk through our doors thinking they'd punched their ticket, only to leave in frustration when they realized hard work and producing for society weren't how they wanted to make a living), and the job security the leisure class provides itself at the expense of lowly tax-paying workers.
I know what you mean. The best and brightest of us were at the same crossroads as you were at at one point in our lives. We chose work over leisure and, while we certainly sympathized with the low pay of higher academia, it was difficult to ignore the wry irony that the wealthy had begun to feed on themselves. It's only a matter of time until radical teachers revolt. Having walked a picket line and been on strike, I don't envy them, but when one redistributes wealth to the upper few from the workers and promote a general disdain of people that actually work for a living as well as ignore the professional standards that drive a skilled craft ( I mean one summer to learn to weld? Really? By that standard, I'm a Master Carpenter because my son's Pinewood Derby car won the big race in Cub Scouts. I can't wait to drive across a bridge you helped build, if there are any still standing).
Keep up the good work. Laughter always helps the attitude of the workers. It keeps our minds off of our reduced buying power.
Wow.
(in reply to fischbobber)
Wow.
One of my best friends is a
(in reply to fischbobber)
One of my best friends is a PhD Chemist who was once a customer of my maintenance crew at the old gaseous diffusion plant. He asked me one day how to tell when the fan belt on his old Dotsun pickup truck was properly adjusted and I told him a common practice involved pushing the belt inward midway between the pulleys on the longest span of the belt with the back of the index finger knuckle. A properly adjusted belt should deflect about half an inch.
The next day he showed up at work with his hand all bandaged and wearing a sheepish smile. Dummy me, I had assumed a PhD would know to shut the engine off first.
Elite
(in reply to fischbobber)
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Actually
(in reply to Stick)
I used the term elitist.
I pulled that definition from dictionary.com. I'm pretty sure I used the term correctly.
It takes 144 instruction hours and 2000 supervised working hours to qualify for an apprentice welder position. Depending upon one's pursuit, pipe-fitter, boilermaker, steelworker, bridge-worker etc. it takes another 2000-4000 hours training to become a journeyman. Additional certifications and master welder status take more training and time. Upon completion of your training you can expect a mean wage of about 18.00 an hour. If you're willing to specialize and be a transient worker you can demand a higher wage, but your working conditions won't be as secure. The work is backbreaking, hot and dangerous. It's one of the most under-compensated professions on the planet and that is a driving reason our bridges are collapsing, sewer plants malfunctioning and nuclear plants are leaking.
If Toby wants to be the smartest guy in the room, then he should be the smartest guy in the room. Uninformed, demeaning, smart-ass comments about jobs he washed out at, for whatever reason, don't reinforce that image. I merely called him on his statement. The Veblen reference was simply because sometimes the guy acts like he's the only one who's ever read a book. Non-elite elitists are tedious.
Key words
(in reply to fischbobber)
great quote. it reinforces
(in reply to metulj)
great quote. it reinforces one of the points chris hedges made in his presentation. quoting obama, hedges says: "if you work hard and save, you could be one of us."
The references
(in reply to Stick)
The broad based theory of Veblen to which I referred (from Wikipedia) was;
(though clearly the books detail makes the argument more engaging and amusing)
and while I believe I understand your point about the key words on which you focused, you left out
(emphasis added) which was the point of the comment. The intellectual elite in this nation wander by themselves down a deeper path of irrelevancy into the forest. They willfully travel this path with condescending airs towards the rest of mankind. We're not doomed, we're ripe for revolution.
The right wing circus may
(in reply to fischbobber)
The right wing circus may have convinced large segments of our society that college professors and phd's are an elite wandering "down a deeper path of irrelevancy", but I fail to see the benefit of so called progressives using such stupidity in a circular firing squad.
This. And BTW, I find this
(in reply to Stick)
This.
And BTW, I find this argument silly and tedious, as I suspect do others. Take it outside. Please.
My professors
(in reply to Stick)
I was lucky and had a few honors classes, but I found that professors that viewed themselves in an elite manner tended to be few and far between. Most were down to earth good people. There is a difference between waving one's PhD around screaming "Look at how brilliant I am!" and the honest intellectual pursuit of higher knowledge.
Ahhh.....
(in reply to metulj)
So you're still mad about not being allowed to dump the homeless in a sinkhole. It all comes clear.
Two sentences.
Umm, don't read much do you?
(in reply to metulj)
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This hole developed from the same series of caverns.
Yes they did test bores. They also noticed that the condominium complex next door was collapsing on the property. The pool on the lot next door had also sunk into the ground to the point where it cracked and would no longer hold water. I also personally inspected the site, in order to stand up for the project at the homeowners meeting, however, It was quite possibly the worst plan in development history.
I noted then and keep noting that you tend to spew without doing your homework. Perhaps the firing squads wouldn't be circular if people squawking the loudest would pull their head out of their ass and look at what's going on.
Well, of course, this is part
(in reply to metulj)
Well, of course, this is part of how that top 2% hangs on to so much wealth. While everyone else fights amongst themselves for the scraps, the über wealthy figure out new and craftier ways to make sure they siphon off a growing percentage of the salaries and savings of welders and adjunct professors, alike. The truth is, whatever your middle-class vocation, you have more in common with the poor people everyone likes to hate because we're conditioned to believe they're bringing us down, man.
Of course welders are underpaid, and so are the adjunct faculty. Both cases result from the ingrained dogma that taxes are evil, especially for the job creators, who should be spared, lest they not create our jobs.
It makes me conjure up a scene that could've been in Blazing Saddles:
So do go on. Which of you has the more compelling CV, and the harder row to hoe?
Economic incentive NOT to hire Ph.D. as adjunct?
(in reply to Greg H)
Sounds kinda dumb if the Jucos have a marked economic incentive to hire MAs and MSs instead of Ph.Ds. I supposed acceditation only considers the degrees of FT faculty? And I'm sure taking an online course with 1,000 or 2,000 others "moderated" by a Ph.D. is considered qualitatively the same as taking the course in person. LMAO
And since the Jucos handle so many non-traditional students, they aren't even accountable for the rate of graduation or the % of students who go on to complete a 4-year degree. Weird.
I stopped adjunct teaching at
(in reply to Stick)
I stopped adjunct teaching at the community college level because it was so low and unpredictable as to what would be available from semester to semester.
And while I taught one semester at UT, that two was unpredictable and so there was no way to smoothly weave it into the rest of me workload. I loved the teaching, but for the pay and the unpredictability, it just wasn't worth it.
And there was almost zilch possibility of ever getting a full-time position. So, I've simply zeroed it out of my mix. Too complicated because if I turn down freelance assignments in order to teach, then I have to build up the client base when the classes aren't there the next semester. It's ridiculous.
Yes, it's a hard life that
(in reply to Pam Strickland)
Yes, it's a hard life that creates a strong disincentive to do the job. A lot of folks have other jobs to make ends meet, and the result [in terms of quality] is as one would expect. The folks I worked with at Pellissippi were some of the hardest working folks out there, and they received very little respect or compensation for the work the do.
I loved the teaching, loved
(in reply to Stick)
I loved the teaching, loved the students, but just didn't feel that I was doing what was best for me or the students.
It's not just adjuncts....
Adjunct professors are treated poorly. So are most of the other people who make colleges and universities function. Hourly people of every type (housekeepers, custodians, secretaries....) are paid as little as the schools can get by with, which is what they do with adjuncts.
This is pretty much the American Way, isn't it?
This link is from 2011, but
This link is from 2011, but still relevant (no, you cannot be a professor).
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Terribly sad story, horrible
Terribly sad story, horrible situation. My womens basketball fan friends are moaning about poor Holly Warlick only making a half mil and change in her second season...
From the Pittsburgh
From the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ...
Death of an adjunct
Pellissippi
At Pelissippi natural sciences dept over half instructors are adjunct. Correct in that pay is around $600 per credit hour, only 1-2 classes per semester, and not reliable from semester to semester. Adjusts also have no computer or office space, so their work is on their own equipment, and students can't get help.
The UT college of engineering
The UT college of engineering has been hiring adjuncts lately to teach lower level classes. Most have no academic background (good or bad depending on your opinion). They are professional engineers looking for a extra cash, resume padding, or marketing opportunities.
this is a tradition in
(in reply to smalc)
this is a tradition in technical academia. nearly all of my profs at harvard (in the 60s) were adjuncts, architects looking for cash on the side. as teachers, they were pretty awful.
The Adjunct Revolt: How Poor Professors Are Fighting Back
From The Atlantic …
The Adjunct Revolt: How Poor Professors Are Fighting Back
Common core and conservative values
Instamoocher. Not-so-small government working to protect him and his top 1% brethren.
Labor and Struggle in the Edu-factory
(link...)
and as chris hedges predicts,
(in reply to metulj)
and as chris hedges predicts, they'll throw people in jail .. or worse. but yes, it will happen as it becomes more difficult to put food on the table.