Mon
Jul 23 2012
06:53 pm
By: R. Neal
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redmondkr's picture

Good Lord it seems only

Good Lord it seems only yesterday. How could she be 61 already? We are a poorer nation tonight for her loss.

If Tennessee ever crawls up from the ooze that is Stacie X, someday our schoolchildren will read about her in their Contributions of LBGT Americans textbooks.

Min's picture

Hear, hear.

We can only hope...

Pam Strickland's picture

Ride, Sally Ride. I didn't

Ride, Sally Ride.

I didn't realize until today that she was lesbian.

bizgrrl's picture

What an inspiration she was.

What an inspiration she was. In 1983, she was not only the first U.S. woman in space, she was the youngest American in space.

fischbobber's picture

Just a thought

(link...)

Her behavior wasn't criminal and I'd hate to think that upon my death my entire existence would be defined by posthumous accounts of my sexual orientation (however boring it generally has been) rather than my life's accomplishments. Just half a thought.

The other half is this, isn't it hard enough to raise kids without boiling everything down to gay and straight. Can't great people just be great people? The other half of the thought.

R.I.P. Sally, and may you be remembered for your life's work.

Bbeanster's picture

Her behavior wasn't criminal

Her behavior wasn't criminal and I'd hate to think that upon my death my entire existence would be defined by posthumous accounts of my sexual orientation (however boring it generally has been) rather than my life's accomplishments. Just half a thought.

The other half is this, isn't it hard enough to raise kids without boiling everything down to gay and straight. Can't great people just be great people? The other half of the thought.

R.I.P. Sally, and may you be remembered for your life's work.

Every obituary I've ever seen mentions survivors (if there are any). I'm quite confident that Sally wanted her life partner's name in there, just as you would, I presume, want your spouse and son mentioned.

Treehouse's picture

Remembering Sally

I'm sure she doesn't want to be remembered for having died of pancreatic cancer (that horrible thing) but that and her sexual orientation deserve to be mentioned because they are part of who she is. In previous obituaries, it wasn't polite to mention either. I'm glad things have changed.

bizgrrl's picture

In previous obituaries, it

In previous obituaries, it wasn't polite to mention either.

I'm not sure mentioning how a person died, etc. is the norm for an obituary. It seems to be more for people that are well-known.

R. Neal's picture

What's worth mentioning, too,

What's worth mentioning, too, is that her long time partner won't be eligible for any survivor benefits if Dr. Ride had any such as government pensions, continuing health insurance, Social Security, etc.

redmondkr's picture

Every time a heterosexual

Every time a heterosexual puts a photograph of a significant other on his or her desk top (s)he is declaring his or her sexual orientation to the world. The fact that it happens to be that of the majority makes it so commonplace that it is taken totally for granted. If I had done that before I retired from the bomb factory there would have been hell to pay.

That simple act would be construed as 'shoving my sexuality down some straight asshole's throat'.

Somewhere there is a lesbian kid (yes there are those of us who know at a very early age) who is constantly bombarded with the propaganda that LGBT people are evil. She needs a role model and what finer than Sally Ride?

Remember Oliver Sipple? Of course you don't. Oliver Sipple was a former Marine who saved Gerald Ford's life by deflecting Squeaky Fromme's second shot. He was thrown into the trash can of history because everybody knows a gay man can't be a hero.

Yes Betty, I remember when obituaries were coded with the phrase 'longtime companion' too.

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fischbobber's picture

Oliver Sipple

I do remember him and he got a raw deal.

I concede your point about family pictures, but I've never had a job at a desk or anyplace to display them. I don't post pictures, nor does my wife, on open sites on the internet because of safety concerns over predators. Our thirteen year old does not have a Facebook account. I suppose what I'm saying is that during the course of leading my life, I'm often obtuse. It takes so much of my time to run my own show, I sometimes forget to notice the details of others.

I've just always had an issue with statements like "my black friend," or "my homosexual friend," or "my jewish friend" or "my republican friend" simply because those terms did not define the terms of my friendship with the person. And I have a problem with bullies and don't mind standing up for people.

I'm 53. My life has been about dealing with change, both personally and culturally. What I have found is that the best way to get a fair deal is to deal fairly with others. I don't have the time to judge others in the light you show. I never have. It doesn't make me a better or worse person than anyone else, but it does mean that I've spent my life scrambling for both meaning and sustenance. I meant no offense, but I was sincere about my original point which was that I want my children thinking beyond those sorts of prejudices and judge others based on their whole worth. It can be hard when it seems everyone is screaming "Hooray for our side."

Again, my apologies.

redmondkr's picture

I know your comment was not

I know your comment was not made with malicious intent. My problem with it is the fact that it's also a favorite mantra of the pseudo-Christian right. If the queers would just all crawl back into our closets, what a wonderful world it would be.

Well, Stonewall changed all that.

fischbobber's picture

Pseudo-Christian Right

The reason they want queers in the closet is that if they leave, there won't be anyone in there for them to talk to, or whatever.

I wrote and recorded a song in 2004 called Republican Platform 2004 by a studio group I called C.R.E.E.P.(after Nixon's committee to re-elect the president) that deals with this issue. It is a vicious view of homosexual marriage, yet, the only real feedback I got was from an independent film maker who claimed to be lesbian, and wanted to use it in a film she was producing. I said O.K. and that was the last I heard of it. The only agreement I had to make was that I not reveal the other group members identities as they had jobs and social standing of sorts. I've kept my word.

I find diversity amongst individuals to be the spice that makes human interaction enjoyable.

fischbobber's picture

A final thought before bedtime

Kenny,

I found your words haunting and spent a bit of time today considering the civil and moral rights of homosexuals. Specifically, I was considering whether or not I was trying to walk a mile in your moccasins or whether you were blowing this up perhaps slightly more than it warranted.Then I read the paper and got to here:

(link...)

At this point, the debate began to become clear. People tend to forget that gypsies and homosexuals were targeted, as well as Jews, during the holocaust. Why should a person hate someone for a physical trait or station in life? Are we becoming what we claim to have conquered, or is that what we were to begin with? I'm ashamed to live in a community that will accept this sort of hate in the name of freedom. While I can't imagine what it's like to wake up every morning wondering if today is the day some nut job is really going to take this sort of trash to heart, I can recognize that not only does it exist, it is here.

In 2004 when Bush got elected, basically on a platform of, "Hey, I hate homos, what about you?" I was outraged at the people that supported him, not considering the potential victims. This issue clearly goes way beyond the thought I've put into it and I can only offer my humblest apologies for not seeing the world through a broader, more open window.

What has happened to America?

One final note. If Sally Ride's obituary opens up this discussion and brings forth progress, it was, by definition the right thing, and a great thing to do.

Sincerely,

Bob

redmondkr's picture

Thanks Bob.I read Reverend

Thanks Bob.

I read Reverend Bigot's effluent too. I never comment at the KNS for no good will ever come of it. I firmly believe that one day he will experience what is told in Mathew 25:40:


"And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."

Karma is indeed a bitch.

A Republican acquaintance asked me once why I never voted for Republicans. My answer was, "Name me one Republican who has done something to benefit me as a gay man."

We eventually named two who achieved that status only by falling off their perches.

redmondkr's picture

Some Interesting, if Lengthy Reading on the Subject

A Letter to Louise by the Reverend Bruce Lowe.

R. Neal's picture

Well deserved honor.

Well deserved honor.

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