Thu
Aug 21 2008
09:26 am

My sister-in-law, who happened to be listening to WIVK moments ago, just phoned to tell me there has been a shooting at Central High this morning. She *thought* she heard announcers say that a student has been killed.

She says Central has been dismissed and all Knox County high schools are on "lock-down."

Poor Dr. McIntyre--will he need to address *two* student deaths at school in the very first month of his tenure with us?

Tuning in now. Prayers for all involved.

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Tamara Shepherd's picture

Victim's condition unknown

WBIR reports that a 16 year-old male was shoot in the cafeteria just after 8:00. His condition is unknown.

A suspect is in custody.

sugarfatpie's picture

Take action to prevent gun violence

This is getting way to close to home.
The Brady Center seems to be one of the best organized on the issue.
I'm joining.
(link...)

Think this is an isolated case?
(link...)

We (at least most of us) are living through an epidemic of gun violence.

-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)

"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin

JosephBaileyOne's picture

Crime

This issue is about a crime that was done, not the Brady Center. The focus should be on the family who has to grieve, the students who will need to cope with what they saw and experienced, and the teachers who will need to lead by example after such a tragedy. Turning this event into a rant on gun rights will serve no useful purpose and won't because when all is said and done any one person who truly wants to harm another will find a way to do it.

The U.S. Constitution, it is what makes us free and makes us American. Let's treat it as such and with care.

lovable liberal's picture

At least one bad argument

when all is said and done any one person who truly wants to harm another will find a way to do it

This is just not true. The availability of cheap and deadly handguns increases the frequency and seriousness of violence. Knives are a lot easier to flee from. Fists require a lot more effort. Handguns? Pop, and somebody could be dead.

Liberty and justice for all.

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JosephBaileyOne's picture

No, it is true and were a

No, it is true and were a gun not available it would be knife or some other weapon. It is called life and bad things happen in it. Prevention can only go so far and learning how to face those bad things is how you live a better life and make for a better world.

The U.S. Constitution, it is what makes us free and makes us American. Let's treat it as such and with care.

sugarfatpie's picture

Well if I get to vote, and

Well if I get to vote, and this is a democracy, I vote for facing down a knife over a gun.
No contest.

Regarding the constitution: I'd prefer a parliamentary democracy (where you get to have a vote of no confidence and kick the bums out right then and there) over the slow and unresponsive system enshrined by our constitution.

-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)

"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin

bizgrrl's picture

Our best wishes are for the

Our best wishes are for the students and staff at the school as well as all family and friends. I wish we could keep our community safe.

Rigsby Werner's picture

Knox County School System is deteriorating from its core

The two inner city high schools Fulton and Austin-East hit the no child left behind hit list this year and Central was next on the list, although, parents had been called to a meeting at Central to discuss their transfer options under NCLB only to find out the school was not a NCLB target. Steps have been implemented to rebuild Fulton and Austin-East with talented people who love to teach and can take on a challenge of a difficult environment.

Perhaps Dr. McIntyre can develop a community culture that our schools are important and that if kids and their families are not interested in getting an education, they need to get out of the Knox County Public School System. The Knox County Public School System is not a day care center for wayward kids and it's not a baby sitting service while parents are at work.

Hopefully, Dr. McIntyre will see that the bar is set high at every school and the hooligans and roustabouts and their complacent or careless parents who completely disrupt the education environment in Knox County will be shown the door or some alternative vocational education opportunity. How much more violence will it take to get the schools and our incompetent school board to completely review what the roles of our schools are in our community? The first step is getting the school board and the teacher's union to realize the school system belongs to the families who send their kids to school to work on their education and quit pandering to the bottom feeders who are there because they don't have anything else to do and dumming down our high school curriculums such that the exit exams are a joke and the gateway exams in high school could be passed by a middle school student from Maryville or Oak Ridge.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Keep the focus, watch the tone

Let us make a pact right this minute to prevent this conversation from devolving into a laundry list of school system condemnations and to instead put our heads together to suggest how we can prevent this sort of tragedy in the future. Personally, my heart is breaking.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Victim has died

...per KPD announcement just now (WBIR).

redmondkr's picture

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WBIR has a live stream.


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Prayers for the Innocent Bobcats that saw this horror

no child should have to endure what these kids are enduring by watching a classmate murdered at school. Guess the satellite trucks and the national media are on their way back to Knoxville to cover another senseless act of violence, this time at a school.

The local media and our citizens can't point the finger at Campbell County anymore and take the position that things like that only happen in places like that, it's here in our community and we can only hope that our local education officials realize you can't put your head in the sand now, we had a high school student murdered at a high school cafeteria before the bell rang.

amybroyles's picture

Our older daughter has

Our older daughter has several friends at Central; she is devastated. We are wondering what to tell our middle daughter when she comes home from school. She is still afraid that someone will come to our house to shoot us. We have been talking to her about how safe we all are. What do we say now? A shooting at her church, and now at a school. Will she feel safe anywhere? Will any of us?

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Speaking of TVUUC...

...did you see this?

KNS: "Among Central parents picking up their children this morning was the Rev. Chris Buice, pastor of Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church, where two people were killed and six others shot when a gunman opened fire during a Sunday morning service July 27."

"His daughter Sarah, 14, attends Central but was running late this morning."

"Buice is at the Central Baptist handing out water."

What are the odds?

sugarfatpie's picture

My 3 yr old son keeps talking about the TVUUC shooting

Quite often in fact. Sam will just start in out of the blue with "That man came into our church and shot our people." He usually pauses and then says "And thats why guns are not good....but squirt guns are ok."

I should probably start talking to him about mental illness, and hate media, and joblessness too.

A friend of mine has had four kids go through Central. She thinks there may be a racial angle to this. Regardless, that kid would be alive right now if we had some sensible gun laws.

-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)

"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin

gonzone's picture

Yes

"I should probably start talking to him about mental illness, and hate media, and joblessness too. "

Absolutely. Best possible response to terrible events is straight and honest discussion. Little ones are much better than adults many times with handling such things.

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
Hunter S. Thompson

rikki's picture

What do we say now? Maybe

What do we say now?

Maybe you can encourage your girls to reach out to the students who are now going through what they have been enduring since the shooting at your church. The Unitarian response of reaching out, connecting and uniting has been very powerful, and now it is needed again.

We must move past the us vs. them mentality that has characterized our response to the 9/11 attacks. We can not keep erecting walls and calling aggressors "evil" and "crazy." We are never truly safe, and trying to isolate ourselves from danger just breeds fear. The better approach is to help others and stay connected, but that takes courage.

My deepest sympathies to your family and everyone who must find the courage to deal with another tragedy.

Hsimplex10's picture

We are the breaking news banner on MSNBC at 10:42 a.m.

(link...)

Not the kind of press our community should be very proud of.

Remember the families of the children who attend that school and whose entire semester and outlook on life has been altered forever.

Don't see anything good coming out of this situation.

jcgrim's picture

our violent culture

Schools reflect our community's values. We may talk about "loving thy neighbor" but reality shows we prefer, even venerate, violent actions for solving problems. Our lives are permeated with tough guys who save themselves or their loved ones by forcefully obliterating their opponents. Shock and awe, bring 'em on, is exemplary of the language we use when we decide to deal with problems large and small.

Why would anyone expect our children to learn any other lesson? We have taught them well. Might makes right.

Until we can have a civil discussion about our violent culture and face the fact that we support public schools with lip service alone, we will continue to have school violence. Children learn from adults whether we want them to or not.

Factchecker's picture

Very tragic

Just saw this and via RSS that the student has died. That news may be what is swamping the KNS server(?).

EDIT: I see now where you reported that, Tamara. Anyway, I can't believe this. Society is in crisis and in denial at once. What will it take to return civility?

Anonymous's picture

Why am I not surprised?

In the comments section for the KNS coverage of the shooting, people are claiming the shooter was an illegal immigrant.

Based on an unnamed but "reliable" source, of course.

Anonymous's picture

Just to make it clear, I'm

Just to make it clear, I'm criticizing the speculation; I'm not implying a lack surprise that the shooter was an illegal immigrant.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Apparent rumour

Earlier this morning, I heard a TV reporter ask police authorities if the perp was Latino. The officer said only that the suspect was still being interrogated.

It's sounding like this rumour has begun to circulate.

A school shooting in our community is bad enough. Let us hope we don't find that racial tensions were a factor, as well...

Anonymous's picture

Indeed -- after the TVUUC

Indeed -- after the TVUUC shootings being apparently motivated by hate, the least thing Knoxville needs is another hate-related shooting.

But hey, football season will start in a few weeks, and we can aaaaaall forget the unpleasantness and move onto the important issue of wat bowl the Vols will go to this year.

lovable liberal's picture

Rumors - the easy and the hard

Rumors are easy to start and hard to quell. Siler sounds like a good old Knoxville name to me, not Latino at least by half. I played Little League baseball in Sequoyah Hills with a kid named Siler.

There are other rumors I could start about the racial context of this killing, based on nothing more than the photos. But I won't.

Liberty and justice for all.

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redmondkr's picture

According to WBIR the public

According to WBIR the public defender is saying that the perp is "an existing client of ours."


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But hey, football season

But hey, football season will start in a few weeks . .

Cumberland County couldn't find the money to begin their school year but they managed to scrape together enough to begin the football season.

Is it remotely possible that we too have our priorities slightly out of kilter?

Should we redirect some of those funds into something as innovative as anger management classes or enhanced school security?


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All2gether's picture

Counselors

This really is tragic--I know many people were going to meetings and working so hard to strengthen Central. What a blow, but what they are doing is so important. I just want to ask: Can we make more counselors available at Central and all high schools...and provide training for all middle and high students? A study of school shootings by the US govt says shooters almost always gave a sign, to friends or often to at least one adult and sometimes up to three.

KCS could partner with mental health agencies like other districts do. We're talking Full Service Schools here. To pay, schools in many places collect insurance or bill Medicaid. Nat Inst of Mental Health has grants. Counseling rooms can be set up in portables (Clayton donated?), or at school if space is available. What teacher wouldn't want this support? But can KCS/KCSB put student needs and lives ahead of liability fears? They need to.

Rigsby Werner's picture

My opinion is this is management failure to detect/prevent

violent behavior and it's either a priority in the Knox County Public School System or it is not.

I am sick of hearing about how well the security program worked when you have a child dead and one under arrest and we are all applauding our administrators/teachers for what they did AFTER THE SHOTS WERE FIRED!.

Any security expert will tell you what a total collapse the detection/prevention of violent behavior is in this circumstance at Central High School.

1. Why was the bus driver not reporting to the high school that he had a confrontation on his bus before he dropped the kids off at Central.

2. Why was there no safety team or other group at Central charged with assessing/monitoring violent behavior in its student, particularly when the kids are on the property before school starts. Why was this conflict on the bus allowed to roll right into the school without any intervention whatsoever by school officials.

3. Why was there no monitoring of the cafeteria by school officials/resource officers to assess/deflect violent behavior when the kids are apparently fighting/arguing on school property before school starts.

School security is more than dollars/cameras/metal detectors, its only as good as the individuals employed at the school that can assess/minimize/avoid violent behavior.

I hope when the Central principal and Dr. McIntyre go to this child's funeral (and they should be required to attend the funeral and the graveside service with the entire school board) that they don't tell this kid's family how great the school security system worked.

The Knox County School System is at a cross roads, they can either get into the 21st Century and start educating these kids and providing a safe, secure environment for all kids (we can't build anymore schools or shovel more kids out to West Knox County, all the schools out there are overcrowded already anyway) or the system can travel on into expected mediocrity and further enhance the enrollments at the private schools coming on line and the home school networks which are flourishing in Knox County.

Just because our school system was not desegregated in the 1960's like the systems were in Chattanooga, Memphis, and Nashville, we don't get a free pass in 2008, we have the same issues and should have the same security concerns as any school system in the country. Our local politicians and local media have played enough form (nice buildings, new schools, academies) over substance (low teacher salaries, teacher attrition, 2 high schools on the NCLB hit list and the first murder of a student by a teacher's spouse and the first murder of a student by another student at school in the State of Tennessee).

Student security is what you do to prevent harm to students while in the care, custody, and control of the Knox County School System, not what you do when a student has already been harmed, injured, or killed, while in the care, custody, and control of the Knox County School System.

Security of the students is either a priority or it is not a priority. Pick it.

sugarfatpie's picture

Public meeting about the root causes of the shootings

I will repeat my call for some public meetings, sponsored by the city/county where we talk about the root causes of the recent shootings in our community.

For the TVUUC shooting I would say:
Community mental health needs going unmet
Hate media-TV, radio, internet
Joblessness/inadequate re-training opportunities
*Absence of sensible gun laws

For the Central Highschool shooting I'll add more when we have more information but for now:
Foster care problems
school bullying
*absence of sensible gun laws

*= When I posted this on the KNS website, I anticipated a flood of hateful knee-jerk reactions to the suggestion that we have a gun problem. Got a few so far, but the day is young! Some actually agree that we need some sensible gun laws!

Further suggestions for the gun addicted:
a) Take a trip to Canada. See how "oppressed" and fearful and downtrodden Canadians are by their gun laws. They aren't.
b) Think about keeping your hunting rifles and loosing your hand-guns. Should the right to bear arms include bombs and dirty nukes too? No. We should set sensible limits.
c) Think beyond the notion that arming everyone would solve the problem. Would a hail of bullets in that church or school cafeteria have made the day go better? No. There would have been more needless deaths as a result, including many innocents caught in the crossfire.

Regardless of what you think the causes are we need to have a forum where people can voice their opinions and our leaders are IN THE ROOM. Mayor Haslam said he wants to do whatever it takes to make sure this doesn't happen again. A public meeting would be a good start.

-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)

"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin

JosephBaileyOne's picture

There are already plenty of

There are already plenty of gun laws, too many in fact and screaming for more laws will do 100% of nothing to deal with these kinds of tragedies. In both cases, a tragedy occurred and before everyone jumps up as to what needs to be done the first order of business is to let the court cases play out and see what comes out of it.

There is no way to prevent 100% of all bad things from happening in life. Thus, doing what can be done to prevent a tragedy but also learning how to cope with bad things being equally important is how to make for a better world.

The real issue of the school shooting lies in the fact that someone wanted to perpetrate a crime upon another human being and now that person will face a trial for it. Sometimes a crime is just that, a crime, and before everyone is certain that we need to upend our society, let us allow the criminal justice to do its thing and run its course. Then everyone can start reassessing how and what needs to be done to make for a better society.

The U.S. Constitution, it is what makes us free and makes us American. Let's treat it as such and with care.

lovable liberal's picture

Duh

There is no way to prevent 100% of all bad things from happening in life.

No one claimed there was. We're all going to die eventually. Handguns kill a lot faster and more effectively than any other weapon that's likely to show up in a high school.

Looking for partial solutions is how to make progress. Saying that he would definitely have killed anyway without a gun is nonsense. Even had he been motivated to kill, a knife is harder to kill with. Duh! That's why guns were invented.

You need to learn to separate the Constitutional argument from the practical argument. They're two different arguments.

Liberty and justice for all.

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SHarris's picture

Community Culture

How can we best develop a "community culture" within our school system? Some of the smaller or more isolated schools (Corryton Elementary, for example) seem to be successful at getting students, staff, parents, neighborhoods, businesses, etc to work together in support of the school. When my daughter was in school at Bluegrass years ago, Fred Nidiffer was successful at keeping parents informed and involved. Wouldn't it benefit our school system if everyone in the communities believed they had a stake in their area school? What ideas/changes could be implemented to transform our schools into true Community Schools? I wish I had the answers instead of just questions.

tin cup's picture

Hate media-TV, radio,

Hate media-TV, radio, internet

What would be an example of this, pie?

*absence of sensible gun laws

We have gun laws, pie. What sensible law is missing?

gun addicted

Who would be an example of someone you would consider to be "gun addicted," pie?

Here's an idea. How about metal detectors at the entrance of all schools and sporting events?

WestSideBoxCar's picture

No school community culture will exist in Knox County until . .

you get school board members who can get their head out of their rears and get their head out of the sand and realize that a 54,000 student school system is serious business and examine each and every part of the process. in my opinion, we have a bunch of wanna bees playing public official, pulling $12 grand a year and perks, insurance, and benefits and making policy primary through politics without listening to the external experts (not the clowns in the Andrew Johnson Building) who see education issues across the country.

our local school board (and certain elected officials, one of which wants to be governoress) is more concerned about catering to the teacher's union and migrating to a year round calendar, rather than about returning the school system, the school calender, and the school operations to the parent who pay the taxes and send their kids to public schools for an education.

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Hate media: Rush Limbaugh,

Hate media: Rush Limbaugh, Foxnews, WNOX,

sensible gun law missing: We could start with a ban on hand guns. Could follow Canada's example.

gun addicted: Quite a few friends of mine, the dude who took out AK dem chair, the Columbine kids, Charlton Heston, the list goes on and on and on.

I kind of understand people who want to hunt with guns, but I have way more respect for bow hunters. If you want to hunt, get some exercise, learn some stalking skills, and use a bow. The meat won't be so full of adrenalin and will taste a whole lot better.

-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)

"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin

JosephBaileyOne's picture

I suggest that you read the

I suggest that you read the Second Amendment and truly understand what it means, not about this hunting nonsense. Hunting has absolutely nothing to do with gun rights and even the NRA has been a fool for saying that it does. It is about the ability of a society to stay free and keep the central government in check. Also, the one and only reason that Canada is even remotely free is because the USA has had their back for two centuries.

Hate media exists on both sides as evidenced by two things in particular. Talk Radio for the Right and the Blogosphere for the Left, both mediums are ranting and spewing more hate and nonsense that moderates in America must tune out both of them. Finding a way to neutralize the nonsense that they churn out would do wonders for the citizenry of this nation reclaiming what it means that we are all AMERICANS.

The U.S. Constitution, it is what makes us free and makes us American. Let's treat it as such and with care.

metulj's picture

"It is about the ability of

"It is about the ability of a society to stay free and keep the central government in check."

So, you believe in armed overthrow of the US government, if need be?

True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler

JosephBaileyOne's picture

What I believe is exactly as

What I believe is exactly as those who wrote the Constitution believe and that is the only way to ensure Liberty and Freedom is to have safeguards against the government. Including the right of the citizenry to be able to arm itself and take on its own government should that government become corrupt enough to be dealt with that way. How do you think this nation came into being anyhow?

The U.S. Constitution, it is what makes us free and makes us American. Let's treat it as such and with care.

metulj's picture

"Including the right of the

"Including the right of the citizenry to be able to arm itself and take on its own government should that government become corrupt enough to be dealt with that way."

So at what point is it OK to do that? What would be your metric for when you start armed rebellion against the government?

True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler

Justin's picture

When the black helicopters

When the black helicopters start swarming around my house MAN! Not to mention the damn Illuminati secretly controlling our government! To arms! To arms!

Rachel's picture

What I believe is exactly as

What I believe is exactly as those who wrote the Constitution believe

You're a deist?

gonzone's picture

Heh!

Aren't those the same people called Unitarians today? Lots of love there from the gun nuts, eh?

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
Hunter S. Thompson

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fantasy civilian militia

Instead of some fantasy civilian militia (which would be crushed by the US military) how about a constitutional amendment to introduce a "vote of no confidence" on the president?

-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)

"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin

JosephBaileyOne's picture

You have absolutely no idea

You have absolutely no idea of what you are writing about and show why that so many on the Left are as out of touch as those on the Right. Should there ever be a need to address the federal military by the Citizenry, one need only to look at the founding of this nation as proof that a supposed overwhelming force can be defeated. I read of the Left's constance mouth about alleged rights violations and yet, not one on the Left understands something as simple as the Second Amendment to be the guard against a central government abusing those rights.

You want a "no confidence" vote then move to Canada or the UK were they have their Parliament instead of a Republic.

The U.S. Constitution, it is what makes us free and makes us American. Let's treat it as such and with care.

gonzone's picture

One Trick Pony

Are you perhaps employed by the gun manufacturer's lobby we all know as the NRA?

Repeating the same thing over and over does not give it more legitimacy nor does it reinforce your assertion. How about you take your weapons cache and move where other uncivilized people are ready to shoot one another down over little to nothing?

If you feel the Constitution and Bill of Rights are so precious (regardless of how poorly you might misinterpret them) then why not fight for the other amendments too? Is it all about guns? Oh ye of small penises!!

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
Hunter S. Thompson

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Your post is the exact type

Your post is the exact type of rhetoric I would expect from the Left. Instead of grasping that most citizens in this nation are fed up with both the Right and the Left, you do your name-calling, digression, and changing the subject because the Left has nothing to offer except for childish rants. Your post is no different than the insane diatribes that come out of someone like Ann Coulter.

My interpretation of the Constitution is exactly on target, unlike the excuse that you call since I doubt that you have yet to ever read the US Constitution, as you certainly have no grasp of it.

Let's look at some facts.

1. Last year, there were around 16,000 deaths from DIU's. Why are you not calling for the cessation of driving? Using your logic that is what should be done.

2. Last year, there were around 240,000 people here in America, that died from cardio troubles. Using your logic, we should all be suing the hospitals and medical service providers for negligence.

The reason that the Second Amendment is so important is that it is the only one that has a means to guarantee those other rights. Furthermore, how do you know what I do or do not support? What other Amendments are there that I am not supporting? Please elaborate, I would really like to know.

I would recommend that you get an education and most of all, read the Constitution before you make such an ignorant and misinformed post again.
The U.S. Constitution, it is what makes us free and makes us American. Let's treat it as such and with care.

rikki's picture

The reason that the Second

The reason that the Second Amendment is so important is that it is the only one that has a means to guarantee those other rights.

No, the separation of powers and the system of checks and balances is the primary guarantee of our rights.

Joe328's picture

The Battle of Athens, TN

During the McMinn County election of 1946 Sheriff Mansfield seized the ballot boxes and secured them in the court house. Sheriff Mansfield declared himself the winner in the election.

A group of about 3,000 WWII veterans armed themselves and secured the area around the court house. The Governor ordered the THP to McMinn County to retake the town. Hundreds of rounds were fired but no one was injured. The citizens won the battle and no arrests were made.

This is what the Second Amendment is about not hunting.

Rachel's picture

Also, the one and only

Also, the one and only reason that Canada is even remotely free is because the USA has had their back for two centuries.

I'm sure the Canadians will be pleased to hear it.

Anonymous's picture

"Sensible" gun laws? The

"Sensible" gun laws?

The Supreme Court decided just this year that DC's handgun ban is unconstitutional.

So, how about making it a felony to possess firearms on school property? Too late, it's been the law in Tennessee for about 25 years.

How about making it illegal for a minor to possess a handgun? Already illegal under federal and state law, as is transferring a handgun to a minor.

Next?

tin cup's picture

Hate media: Rush Limbaugh,

Hate media: Rush Limbaugh, Foxnews, WNOX,

So you're saying that Rush Limbaugh, Foxnews and WNOX are responsible for this idiot shooting the people TVUUC? You're a bigger idiot and you must be simple minded. You disagree with a person, a television network and a radio station so that makes them "hate media." BTW, how do you disagree with a television network?

sensible gun law missing: We could start with a ban on hand guns. Could follow Canada's example.

Unconstitional to ban hand guns. How does that make this sensible?

gun addicted: Quite a few friends of mine, the dude who took out AK dem chair, the Columbine kids, Charlton Heston

So you're comparing some of your friends and Charlton Heston with the Arkansas murderer and the freaks who shot up Columbine? Scary man.

I kind of understand people who want to hunt with guns, but I have way more respect for bow hunters.

Then go hunt with a bow. There are plenty of us who love the smell of gunpowder after outsmarting our prey.

I'd prefer a parliamentary democracy (where you get to have a vote of no confidence and kick the bums out right then and there) over the slow and unresponsive system enshrined by our constitution.

Bye pie.

gonzone's picture

Recipes?

Anyone got a good recipe?

What's that stinky smell?

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
Hunter S. Thompson

sugarfatpie's picture

In defense of baiting Troll Cup

As someone who is committed to making the world a better place, I think its important to occasionally elicit responses from the likes of Troll Cup. Its important to know how ultra-right wing reagan-democrats think, if only to learn some new ways to navigate potential future real life encounters with said reactionary golfers who pretend to hunt.

What I have learned from this is that Troll Cup is a intellectual wimp who will only address an argument if he has a pithy response at hand. Otherwise he tries to change the subject. Okay, others knew that already but I don't have time to read everyone's arguments with the troll.

So Troll. I'm done with you for now. Baiting you is easy. Following your gin-soaked excuse for counter-point is also easy, but so not worth my time or anyone else who reads Knoxviews.

Until you grow some cojones...

-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)

"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin

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tin cup's picture

Otherwise he tries to change

Otherwise he tries to change the subject

Now who's changing the subject, pie?

reactionary golfers

Yes, I'm a reactionary golfer. I am happy when I hit a good shot, I get pissed if I hit a bad shot. I once beat the shit out of a guy I caught cheating in a $10 nassau game. I run the whole gamut of emotions and reactions.

who pretend to hunt

I'm wondering how you pretend to hunt. If you pretend to be in a rock and roll band you play an air guitar. If you pretend to hunt, you can't use an air rifle 'cause there really is such a thing. I can assure you I'm not a pretend hunter, pie. I count 48 fire arms among my possessions plus two bows and a hog trap.

Finally, if you're trying to figure out how a Reagan Democrat (or any kind of Democrat thinks for that matter), go somewhere else. I'm not your guy, pie. I have grown some tasty 'maters.

metulj's picture

I once beat the shit out of

I once beat the shit out of a guy I caught cheating in a $10 nassau game.

Fascinating. Obviously, you don't belong to a club. That's public course behavior if ever there was. And it's also a veiled threat against people who piss you off. I bet you didn't do it at all.

As for having 48 guns and two bows, I have been a life long hunter. Why on earth would you need more than one shotgun, one rifle and one bow? You can't carry them all in the woods. I bet you hunt from tree stands and have an ATV too.

True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler

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A challenge to the Troll

Go back over your posts. Count how many times you dodge a question or argument by dropping some barely relevant one-liner. Then count up the times you actually answer a question or engage with the main point someone is trying to make to you. See which count comes out higher. Do it. I dare you tough guy.

If you haven't got the cojones to argue like a grown-up you have no place here.

*A note to you English-firsters. Cojones means "balls" in Spanish. Tin Cup - you have none.

-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)

"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin

tin cup's picture

I do belong to a golf club,

I do belong to a golf club, Met. I beat the guy's ass on club property and got away with it. (It was a few years ago.) Just about everybody who heard about it was glad I did it, except the guy I smacked, of course.

I don't need more than one shotgun, one rifle and one bow. I have never tried carrying all of them at once. Lots of people own more than one car and they generally don't try to drive them at once. I have them because I want them. I collect them.

I don't own an ATV but I do own a tractor. I hunted from a tree stand once in my life (early 80's). I hated it and I've not done it since. I have never killed a deer but I am an avid hunter. I don't like to eat deer meat and I don't necessarily need a deer's head on my wall. However, if someone wants to legally kill a deer simply to put its head on their wall, I'm ok with that.

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If you don't need more than

If you don't need more than one rifle, shotgun or bow, then why on earth would you need 48 guns? I could see if you had a handgun for personal protection. The proper maintenance of all of those weapons would require that you'd clean one every other day.

As for this "golf club," it sound more like a bar with lots of grass. The country club we belonged to when I was a kid didn't tolerate khaki trousers let alone members fighting and gambling. I quit golfing years ago, but I guess all those new "golfing communities" that cropped up in the 1990s have low standards.

True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler

tin cup's picture

Met, I told you. I don't

Met, I told you. I don't need them. I want them. I like cleaning them and showing off my collection. I have guns over 50 years old that look brand new.

There isn't a country club in Knoxville where gambling is not allowed....double negative....You can find a bet at any country club in Knoxville. You fight and you're kicked out of any of them. I got away with it years ago.

metulj's picture

"I don't need them. I want

"I don't need them. I want them. I like cleaning them and showing off my collection. I have guns over 50 years old that look brand new."

So, if I owned 48 lace doilies, kept them clean, and showed them off, and some of them were 50 years old, that'd be cool? I just find the choice of things to collect unusual. It's akin to collecting lawnmowers or pencil sharpeners.

"There isn't a country club in Knoxville where gambling is not allowed....double negative....You can find a bet at any country club in Knoxville."

Well, the "nicest" club is a day camp for geriatric racists, so I imagine the other "clubs" in Knoxville are either nouveau riche tragedies that think crab louie is "classy" or full of guys playing in shorts without shirts on. Holston Hill seems to be an exception. As for gambling, I'd check the club's by-laws. If they serve alcohol at the club, then gambling is most certainly banned because of TN liquor laws. Anyhow, Forbes had a fascinating article recently about golf clubs closing because people are losing interest.

"You fight and you're kicked out of any of them. I got away with it years ago."

As with any Bushite, it's always about "getting away with it."

True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler

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They most definitely serve

They most definitely serve alcohol at CCC. I got pretty wasted there once at a lunch party for a bride-to-be.

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