I wish the NS would list who is on the mayor's seven person committee.

(link...)

From a Washington Post article on digital billboards...

"Several municipalities say they have allowed billboard companies to convert static billboards to digital ones, only to become annoyed by the powerfully bright, constantly changing displays."

and

"The Federal Highway Administration has allocated $150,000 to study the effect of digital billboards on drivers and expects to have results by 2008 or 2009."

(link...)

Scenic America provides detailed insight on this topic....

(link...)

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bizgrrl's picture

2001, City bans new

2001, City bans new billboards.
2007, Business comes to Haslam to change ban.

Gee, it only took 6 years. I suppose the existing billboards are getting old and rundown.

The debate raises issues of First Amendment rights, aesthetics, equity among advertisers and particularly safety, based on the comments City Council members heard at their Thursday workshop.

That debate must have been more than amusing.

And while he [Lamar's David Jernigan] acknowledged the billboards are about business, the "icing on the cake," he said, is their public service capability, such as relaying Amber Alerts.

The city better do what Lamar wants, otherwise they will be violating someones First Amendment rights and will be neglect in relaying Amber Alerts. Be afraid, very afraid. [sarcasm ends]

metulj's picture

My logic professor loved

My logic professor loved "icing on the cake" arguments (it's a fallacy called special pleading or a form thereof). The icing on the cake might be good, but only Lamar Advertising (a big GOP donator, BTW) gets to eat that cake in terms of profits.

True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler

Bbeanster's picture

Members of the Display Study

Members of the Display Study Committee are:
Chris Ooten with Schaad Properties; Mike Fleming, formerly with Lamar Outdoor Advertising (Lamar’s Nashville lobbyist was the driving force behind the bill that allowed digital billboards into Tennessee); Kenny Anderson with Anderson Media; Dan Kelly with the Metropolitan Planning Commission; Robert Bedwell with First Commercial Real Estate (bigtime owner of billboards); Alex Harkness and Anita Cash, a codes inspector with the city of Knoxville.

The committee is dominated by billboard guys and their associates.

 

metulj's picture

That's some tasty machine

That's some tasty machine politics there.

True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler

jbr's picture

Members of the Display

Members of the Display Study

Seems to have applied the same criteria used for MPC appointments

Rachel's picture

Billboard committee

I've got a huge problem with this committee making "recommendations." First, it's clearly not a balanced, objective group of people.

Second, shouldn't they have been Sunshined? (For what I hear, their meetings weren't public). I guess they can argue that since they were an advisory group to the mayor (executive) they don't have to be, but they are making recommendations about changing an ordinance. That's the responsibility of a legislative body (Council) and I think all committees advising Council are sunshined.

Whether or not one can argue that they were technically not required to follow the Sunshine Law, it would seem in the current climate that the City would want to bend over backwards to not give even the appearance of meetings/agreements by an obviously biased body outside the public eye.

"The difficulty lies not so much in developing new ideas as in escaping from old ones." - John Maynard Keynes

Pam Strickland's picture

sunshined or not

They way I always understood it was if they were making governmental actions or were receiving government funds. I think (mind you without a J.D. or even a copy of the law in front of me) that it could easily argued that the are subject to sunshine. Especially, as was noted, in the current climate.

Pam Strickland

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut

Gene Burr's picture

Digital Billboards

The "icing on the cake" as Lamar's David Jernigan describes it, is an illusion. Knoxville Police Dept. says they rely on radio and TV for "Amber alerts and fugitive alerts and do not need billboards for that purpose. They have the statewide alert system now as well. The use of digital billboards for "alerts" has its application, but that is not a justification for conversion of traditional billboards to digitals in the City of Knoxville.

lotta's picture

Amber Alerts

Actually, I think you can sign up for Amber Alerts if you want to be alerted on your hand held. The Amber Alert angle is weak, at best.

Anonymous's picture

You all seem to be having a

You all seem to be having a lot fun running down new technology on new technology. Why don't you all forego the Blog and communicate via carrier pigeon?

I think it's odd I've never heard the outcry for banning the following in Knoxville; talking on the cell phone while driving, eating while driving, putting on make-up while driving, adjusting the radio while driving, looking at the GPS while driving, dancing to music while driving, disciplining children while driving, etc., etc., etc.

For you environmentalist, the ambient light put off by static billboards through front illumination is more than what a digital billboard produces. And by the way, we have had billboards that change since the early 90's. They are called tri-visions and show way more motion than the instantaneous change of digital.

Before you all continue to discuss something you seem to not know much about, you should drive out to Solway to see the ones that have been operating for months in the county.

Regards,
Kenny Anderson
Anderson Media

R. Neal's picture

talking on the cell phone

talking on the cell phone while driving

Isn't that already illegal?

jbr's picture

Regarding driving with cell

Regarding driving with cell phones, etc. a state representative responded with this....

"We have a law in Tennessee that makes it illegal to drive while
distracted. I have been told that this can apply to cell phones and it
is up to law enforcement to act on it."

bizgrrl's picture

With your justification, if

With your justification, if I-40 drivers already going 70 mph in a 50 mph zone, why not just go 80?

Rachel's picture

I think it's odd I've never

I think it's odd I've never heard the outcry for banning the following in Knoxville; talking on the cell phone while driving, eating while driving, putting on make-up while driving, adjusting the radio while driving, looking at the GPS while driving, dancing to music while driving, disciplining children while driving, etc., etc., etc.

Well, here's an outcry for banning talking on cell phones while driving. It's a terribly dangerous habit.

For you environmentalist

And while we're talking green, just how much energy is it that a digital billboard uses?

"The difficulty lies not so much in developing new ideas as in escaping from old ones." - John Maynard Keynes

Sarge's picture

Talking on cell phones while

Talking on cell phones while driving should be against the law. Also, will there be two versions of each message on the billboards, one in English and the other in Spanish?

jbr's picture

All of those are a problem.

All of those are a problem.

Regarding cell phones the states that prohibit:

(link...)

Using cell phones quadruples risk of crash...

scroll down to "Phoning while driving increases year by year..."

(link...)

another report from feds....

(link...)

"...distractions inside one's own head can be just as disruptive as environmental distractions." So why add to them?

(link...)

metulj's picture

"Why don't you all forego

"Why don't you all forego the Blog and communicate via carrier pigeon?"

You should probably have someone who has experience in PR post to Blogs. Shrill does not make good public relations.

"I think it's odd I've never heard the outcry for banning the following in Knoxville; talking on the cell phone while driving, eating while driving, putting on make-up while driving, adjusting the radio while driving, looking at the GPS while driving, dancing to music while driving, disciplining children while driving, etc., etc., etc."

I would ban the use of brains that know a really poor argument when they concoct one.

True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler

Anonymous's picture

Respectfully, Kenny, I find

Respectfully, Kenny, I find ALL billboards to be distractions from driving.

Those tri-visions are WORSE than the standard billboards, however, because they make your eyes jump back to them due to their motion.

I think digital billboards would be even more distracting.

And though I know you disagree, I and many others can't wait for the day that ALL billboards become illegal and get torn down.

Having personally narrowly avoided a collision due to tri-visions out in Sevier County in stop-and-go traffic, and having lost a roommate not too long ago to a serious car crash in Alcoa, I hope you can understand my viewpoint.

There is absolutely NO REASON to further endanger motorists' lives by placing something even more distracting than what we already have. No reason except for money, which should be viewed as blood money IMHO.

Sincerely,

Pan Walker

jbr's picture

Looks like they violate the

Looks like they violate the Federal Highway Beautification Act and the state could pay a penalty up to 10 per cent of federal highway funds. I guess the state would pay that fine each year?

(link...)

Pam Strickland's picture

Kenny Kenny Kenny

Since you are clearly unable to look at this objectively, my suggestion would be that you resign from the committee.

And, on your way out the door, you need to make sure and hire a PR consultant for your media company to make it easier for you to show your face anywhere in the future.

Pam Strickland

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut

jbr's picture

It is possible there is more

It is possible there is more to this than visual digital billboards. Could this be a way to build an infrastructure
with which cell phone ads could be dispensed as a phone passes through a particular area?

(link...)

R. Neal's picture

Could this be a way to build

Could this be a way to build an infrastructure with which cell phone ads could be dispensed as a phone passes through a particular area?

There are already RFID signs that address you by name. Seriously.

(link...)

So now, not only can signs talk directly to us, they can track our movement.

jbr's picture

So in essence we all could

So in essence we all could all be carrying tracking devices. Philandering spouses and politicos beware.

I think I am going to look at some stock for disk storage and database companies. I see an explosion coming.

I don't know much about privacy law, but if an advertising company is able to track citizens whereabouts it should be considered a problem.

Average Guy's picture

Sheeple and their Shepard

I thought RFID was only something to joke about; (link...)

Watched any of the videos in this link yet? (link...)

Freedom to Fascism would explain for you the purpose of RFID.

jbr's picture

From what I gather RFID is

From what I gather RFID is used for EZ Pass. They scan as you drive by, and access your bank account for the funds.

(link...)

RayCapps's picture

RFID - Oh Cool, finally something I'm actually "expert" in!!!

Folks,

You got all sorts of RFID, so you're bound to find yourself confused when people refer to this technology in different contexts. Basically, you have two distinct forms of RFID - powered transponders and passive chips. Powered transponders have internal batteries that continuously broadcast the information encoded within it. This form of RFID can have a range of a dozen or so feet all the way up to global tracking depending upon the signal strength. Cost, naturally, varies directly with range, but none of these devices could be considered "cheap" in comparison to their unpowered and far more common brethren. Typical uses for powered transponder RFID would include most electronic toll collection systems (ETC's), shipping containers such as found on cargo vessels, tractor trailers, aircract, and a host of military hardware. It's the long range capabilities of these sorts of tags that most conspiracy theorist types refer to in their publications.

The far less expensive and far more common type of RFID is the passive chip. It can be extremely small, can cost as little as $0.05 to $0.10 each, and transmits no data until powered by a reader's radio signal. Range on these types of tags varies from dozens of feet down to only a few inches depending on the quality of the tag and the composition of the object it's placed upon. Passive chips can be found on many consumer packaged goods - either on the packages or the goods themselves. Wal-Mart has been pushing the adoption of RFID on all its major suppliers and has been evaluating results at several of their distribution centers in the Texas area with mixed results. Passive RFID tags are, at present, not only short ranged but very fragile and finicky about their environment. They do not work well on metal or on containers holding liquids. Metal deflects the reader's radio signal while liquids absorb it. Conspiracy theorists generally taut the low cost and hoped for (by some) ubiquitousness of passive RFID in their publications.

I work for Bush Brothers & Company (Bush's Baked Beans)and have been intimately involved in our Wal-Mart compliance RFID project. Since we sell metal cans with largely liquid contents, you can guess our success rate to date. Also, being a low cost commoditity item, even a ten cent per case cost is fairly significant to us. Needless to say, we're not fans of the technology at this point. However, I do know enough about the technology to asssure everyone that fears of being tracked by governmental or corporate entities using the RFID chips on products you buy are pretty well unfounded. The technology isn't there to support the vision.

Also, as a rule, whether passive or active, RFID tags usually only hold a number. There are exceptions where special tags are used to capture critical information, especially during transit of certain goods. For example, a refrigerated truck carying milk or frozen dinners might have an RFID tag recording temperature readings inside the trailer at some interval. Still, I know of no existing application where RFID tags hold personal information or even product descriptions. Why bother with the expense? The back-end data systems would already have this information keyed to the number encoded on the RFID chip. So even if you manage to surreptitiously read a case of 16 oz Original Bush's Baked Beans sitting inside somebody's pantry, all you'd see is something like "394000159800012425753674". I could tell you the first 5 digits are our manufacturer's ID, the next 5 are the product ID, and the last fourteen would be a serialized shipping container code identifying the specific case. Without access to our backend database, not even I could tell you who bought it or when. In other words, RFID is red herring.

As for electronic billboards, I'm against billboards period. They just deny me a view of the local scenery while they try to peddle somebody's fireworks stand or Pigeon Forge "attraction." Of course, being electronic, they do present a most inviting target for enterprising young hackers. Man, think about that! Twenty-first century "tagging" by altering the image being displayed. Hilarious!

jbr's picture

WiFi and Bluetooth would send messages to phone

"...companies are experimenting with WiFi transmitters and Bluetooth technology that would send messages directly to your phone as you pass by their signs."

(link...)

Joe328's picture

Advertising

Charge them for using your equipment to advertise.

Joe328's picture

Outcry

" think it's odd I've never heard the outcry for banning the following in Knoxville; talking on the cell phone while driving, eating while driving, putting on make-up while driving, adjusting the radio while driving, looking at the GPS while driving, dancing to music while driving, disciplining children while driving, etc., etc., etc."
.............

My first experience for this site was about six months ago. Since that time I have seen several posts about the dangers of cell phones, eating, putting on make-up and other distraction while driving. If you check the Red light camera subjects you can find plenty of remarks about distracted drivers.

According to the Outdoor Advertising Association of America (OAAA), seventy percent of people will glance at billboards and sixty percent will read the billboard. Cell phones are sound, they don't require visual. Billboards require drivers to look away from the road to read your sign.
.............

"Before you all continue to discuss something you seem to not know much about, you should drive out to Solway to see the ones that have been operating for months in the county."

..............

I have made several remarks about outdoor LED lighting. My big complaint is the colors used at night. The blue, bright green, and white, are blinding at night. The new LED traffic lights on Hall of Fame Dr. has such a bright green, that when the roads are wet, drivers slow well below the speed limit until pass the green. During the tourist season, you can expect an accident in front of the Visitors Center on hwy 66 in Sevierville, if the road is wet at night.

I know there is a dim for night operations, but your industry disables it in this area. I could except the new signs better if you used more red or amber at night. In fact I would prefer red and amber LED over the current bright white.

I have no problem with new technology, I just want you keep the light on your side of the fence when it's keeps me from enjoying stars on clear night.

Russ's picture

Solway

Before you all continue to discuss something you seem to not know much about, you should drive out to Solway to see the ones that have been operating for months in the county.

I drive past that detestable eyesore every day. It's a distraction which makes an already dangerous stretch of road even more treacherous. It should be torn down immediately.

When driving at night past that horrid thing, I can actually detect a temporary difference in my ability to see the road in front of me, and I make it a point to avoid looking directly at the billboard.

Of course, we all know that corporate profit and payoffs to politicians always trump the common good, so it won't be long before Knoxville is filled with those hideous things.

~Russ

Anonymous's picture

Digital Billboards

Have you read the review of your industry's study at (link...)? It appears your industry is spewing various untruths about the facts on digital billboards. Don't take my word for it but read their review and form your own opinion. Oh yea, you're in it for the money, I forgot.

Bbeanster's picture

No, no, no! The industry is

No, no, no! The industry is NOT in it for the money.
I've sat through two lengthy meetings, and this is what I've gleaned:

They're doing it for the children -- Amber Alerts.
And for people with Alzheimers who get lost.
And to keep workers safe -- they won't have to climb up on ladders and replace vinyl signs.
And in service of science -- new technologies must be used.
And because they're beautiful.
And because the First Amendment must be protected.

This week, they threw in a new twist with a representative of the Thompson Survival Center and someone speaking for someone else who is connected to Baptist Hospital who said the hospitals really need these billboards.

None of the billboard guys mentioned money.

lotta's picture

you missed one

You missed one....I was almost rammed by a man who was shaving in heavy traffic. He was a danger to himself and others but dang....he had a baby smooth face by the time we got to the ramp!

Carole Borges's picture

I don't mind beautiful handpainted billboards on highways

I like artistically designed creative signage. I miss some wall signs too. Some of the old ones were beautifully illustrated by real artists. My dad was an outdoor advertising sign-guy, so maybe I'm biased. I don't appreciate flashing, wildly rotating, flipping signs that keep changing. They make me not just distracted, but a little dizzy.

Talking on cell phones while driving is too hard anyway. I suppose the younger techie generation may have developed a higher threshold for distracting things. They seem able to multi-task more, and focus while surrounded by massive amounts of electronic images. Banning all signs seems a little extreme, but I imagine it is hard to only have beautiful signs withouit some kind of artistic review board. Some people seem to like the neon Tokyo look, but I like quiet calm advertising. I have nothing really positive to say about most moving signs though. I find them dangerous.

Bbeanster's picture

Hey, Kenny-- Way to

Hey, Kenny--
Way to demonstrate your objectivity.

R. Neal's picture

If they are allowed, we

If they are allowed, we should start a pool for how long it will take for somebody to hack one and put up some porn or something.

SammySkull's picture

why wait?

I would donate to the cause, though my computer skills end at getting the background picture I want on my Myspace page.

Joe328's picture

Light Pollution

If a brighter light is aimed on the billboard to black it out, will the sign company scream light pollution?

Anonymous's picture

Money Talks

Sevier County is a huge whore to the billboard industry (highest number in the state) and just got their first couple of digital billboards. There are no local statistics on how many accidents they cause but with the circus of signs along Hwy. 66 it is challenging to just make it safely past all these distractions. You forget about the mountains that you actually came to see. Pigeon Forge has become a total circus and is dangerous to travel through.

dbc's picture

Cirsus 66

Sevier County never saw any type of billboard that they didn't love. Bring em all on, large and small, flashy and tacky, we just love em...

SammySkull's picture

You know what would be

You know what would be really cool? if people just made trucks into signs and drove a sign around all day.

Oh? Someone already did?

Carry on.

Carole Borges's picture

I think the ultimate advertising would be bodyads

Instead of boring tattoos people could offer up their skin for a few hundred bucks and make some extra money. Like maybe a Hertz ad across your chest and a Rodeway Inn sign across your butt? These could be done in bright flourescent colors. People bearing bodyads would have to be banned from jogging on streets though or we'd be back at the same old distraction problem. Heck, I think some people might actually go for it.

talidapali's picture

Nahhh...

A one time fee wouldn't be enough...now if we talked residuals...maybe so. As long as I get to design the artwork...not some guy at an ad agency with no sense of asthetics or design. After all, space is limited...and the designs are mostly permanent, unless the companies are also willing to pay for laser removal at the end of the ad run.
Can't you see this for Pope's Greenhouse???

_________________________________________________
"You can't fix stupid..." ~ Ron White"
"I never said I wasn't a brat..." ~ Talidapali

Factchecker's picture

Before you all continue to

Before you all continue to discuss something you seem to not know much about, you should drive out to Solway to see the ones that have been operating for months in the county.

Seen it. A hideous, distracting eyesore.

I well remember when the big billboard ban legislation was making the rounds, LAMAR--among other steps taken--suddenly became a proud underwriter for WUOT public radio. Upstanding member of the community and all.

And they actully changed some billboards to show photographs of ET mountain scenes like the real ones the monstrosities were obscuring!

What sleazeballs.

jbr's picture

It's a different world with

It's a different world with Sunshine. Thankfully.

"City Council member Joe Hultquist attended the meeting, and said he is investigating the possibility that the taskforce violated the sunshine law."

Check Betty Bean's article on digital signs....

(link...)

rocketsquirrel's picture

maybe Kenny Anderson should

maybe Kenny Anderson should use his Solway digital board to convince motorists of the efficacy of his technology. Better than using this blog.

That committee is totally skewed, and doesn't reflect a shred of objectivity. That's how it works. Appoint a bunch of yes men and women, then trash anyone who speaks against it as uninformed luddites who hate technology.

Talk about biasing the outcome. Carrier pigeons. really, Kenny? That the best you got? you should be ashamed of yourself.

Anonymous's picture

Billboards

Big and Small Business vote by the Billions each Year to buy Billboard advertising.

Business pay Billions because Billboard advertising is highly effective and and gets customers.

Business needs customers to keep the doors open and Americans employed.

Still further, the Outdoor companies employing 100s of thousand of people a year.

Just what we need to do attack another business kill off some more jobs.

Keith

Cletus's picture

Still further, the Outdoor

Still further, the Outdoor companies employing 100s of thousand of people a year.

Hate to break it to you, but if the electronic billboards go up, those outdoor companies will no longer have a need to employ the people who currently switch out the ads on the billboards we have now.

Factchecker's picture

That's a bunch of bull.

That's a bunch of bull. There are lots of places on this planet that don't have billboards and have very healthy economies. Including U.S. cities comparable to K-burg.

We don't need trolls to give us Rush Limbaugh economics lectures.

Keith's picture

HA HA HA BUSY BODY

Hay Factchecker:

Trolls hide under bridges and in the dark. Kind of like people who don't use their own name when posting to blog?

Do you own the property that these billboards are on? If not, you are just a busy body!!

If you got the billboards taken down would you pay the rent to the landowners.

Keith

PS: Rush is Right!!!

jbr's picture

Apparently four states do

Apparently four states do not allow billboards.

Vermont, Alaska, Hawaii, and Maine

Jacksonville, Florida has removed over 1000 billboards the last 20 years...
(link...)

Durham and Raleigh seem to be on a billboard removing campaign
(link...)

(link...)
"Scenic America estimates the nationwide total of cities and communities prohibiting the construction of new billboards to be at least 1500. "

Between tailoring advertising based on location and the categories capabilities of GPS systems it would seem billboards usefulness would diminish, if not cease. Maybe development of a long range plan for removal should be started. In event those new technologies evolve.

Factchecker's picture

...If not, you are just a

...If not, you are just a busy body!!

If you got the billboards taken down would you pay the rent to the landowners.

Keith

PS: Rush is Right!!!

You forgot to set your CAPS LOCK.

Lisa Starbuck's picture

MPC

The issue of allowing digital billboards in the city of Knoxville is on the MPC agenda for Thursday, Feb. 14th.

Will the MPC heart the sign companies or the folks who are trying to prevent visual pollution in Knoxville?

What do YOU think?

Bbeanster's picture

The core of the argument is

The core of the argument is that both the study committee and Mark Donaldson started their work from the position that digital billboards WILL BE ALLOWED, and that the only remaining questions are where and how many. As I have pointed out above, the study committee was heavily weighted toward the billboard business, and Donaldson accepted their premise and worked from there.

MPC will probably approve some version of Donaldson's plan, which will allow billboard owners to swap out some number of traditional signs for the digital monsters. Since he is a planner, he also wants to include a re-writing of the city's on-premise sign ordinances along with the digital issue. I don't know how that will go.

MPC member Art Clancey said at the workshop that he thinks digital billboards are "pretty."

I think City Council will take a very hard look at this. The core issue for them, IMO, will be whether the city's billboard ban applies to digital billboards (which Donaldson, for some reason unclear to me has renamed "dynamic displays"). If the answer to that is yes, then all this other arguing is meaningless palaver.

Rachel's picture

Art Clancy makes me want to

Art Clancy makes me want to tear my hair out.

Pray that Haslam doesn't appoint him to a second term.

rocketsquirrel's picture

Art's not a poetry fan,

Art's not a poetry fan, either. heh.

From the January 14, Halls Shopper (Page A-5):

Developer is 'Poetry Slammed' at MPC


A meeting of the Metropolitan Planning Commission (MPC) is probably the last place you would expect to hear poetry.

But Park City resident Doug McDaniel recited a poem in opposing
developer Gary McNabb’s concept plan for a residential project along Washington Avenue.

McDaniel began with prose, chiding commissioners for a history of favoring developers over neighborhood residents.

“We came here today to ask you to listen, finally listen, to our pleas,” McDaniel said.

After noting the blue-collar character of the neighborhood (“Our homes will probably not be featured in City View”), McDaniel read a poem praising “the working man.”

Commissioner Art Clancy, apparently not a poetry fan, said he “took exception” to the tone of McDaniel’s recitation.

Two motions to postpone a decision for 30 days failed before
Clancy moved to approve the concept plan.

“I don’t see that we have a choice,” Clancy said.

A majority of the commissioners disagreed, and his motion was defeated.

A third motion to postpone sailed through, 14-1. Chalk up at least a temporary victory for poetry and the working man.

jbr's picture

I wonder why MPC has

I wonder why MPC has commissioners? Could the planning department just submit their findings to CC just like the engineering department? I wonder how many times the planning types did countless hours of painstaking research then have the commissioners just ok it anyway? Seems like that would be a major morale killer.

Rachel's picture

MPC is governed by state

MPC is governed by state law, not local law.

SammySkull's picture

Is there a way that the

Is there a way that the people who will be effected by these things can have some sort of say, perhaps a vote, as to whether or not they want these things? Is there somewhere we can look online to get an idea of what these digital billboards are like? Is there any reason why KnoxViews is the absolute only place I personally have heard anything about these?

Lisa Starbuck's picture

Notice

Is there any reason why KnoxViews is the absolute only place I personally have heard anything about these?

You're lucky to hear about it here - you have heard about it only because it is in the city of Knoxville and there is a new billboard ban in the city.

The county passed it without comment and without any advance notice with just a request by the sign companies at BZA.

SammySkull's picture

sooooo

Basically business as usual?

Bbeanster's picture

Sammy, we've written about

Sammy, we've written about it repeatedly in the Shopper News, and the Sentinel has covered it also. It's just one of those issues that grinds on for a long time while nobody but the watchdog groups are paying attention.

Check out this link for more info:

(link...)

lotta's picture

Sammy for more info....

Presentation from billboard workshop is available on MPC web site.

You can also see the background info. & proposed options by viewing the agenda package (click on item 6):

(link...)

Lisa Starbuck's picture

Business as Usual

Indeed.

However, there is still hope for the city. Any likeminded folks who wanted to show up at the MPC meeting on February 14th at 1:30 to support the opposition (it's early on the agenda), and/or would be willing to contact their city council person to register their opposition to allowing the digital billboards in the city, would be greatly appreciated.

jbr's picture

New Hampshire Court upholds ban on electronic signs....

'The U.S. Court of Appeals for the First Circuit has upheld the U.S. District Court of New Hampshire's ruling that the town of Concord's ban on electronic message centers (EMCs) is constitutional.

The town based its sign ordinance around aesthetic and safety concerns, and the court affirmed the validity of those grounds. "

(link...)

knoxvegas99's picture

"Art Clancy makes me want to

"Art Clancy makes me want to tear my hair out."

Rachel, I just knew there was something I liked about you. Clancy is an embarassment.

Larry Van Guilder

jbr's picture

Who appointed Clancy?

Who appointed Clancy?

Bbeanster's picture

Haslam. Same guy who

Haslam.

Same guy who appointed every member of the billboard taskforce.

jbr's picture

The affable Jimmy

The affable Jimmy Stewart/Dana Carvey persona seems at times utilized to sneak some otherwise inciting moves by us.

Bbeanster's picture

People have set him up as

People have set him up as the "good" mayor and looked the other way. It's easy that way.

Rachel's picture

I sat through a bunch of MPC

I sat through a bunch of MPC meeting back when the south waterfront code and related matters were on the agenda - one of them a 7 hour marathon.

The only good thing I noticed about Clancy was that he stayed awake.

Oh, wait....

jbr's picture

Fighting billboard blight

Fighting billboard blight seems to be a common goal around the country. A list of different cities approaches.

(link...)

Factchecker's picture

Solway update

Drove past that damned ugly thang last night. Two of the ads were downright offensive. One was a "wanted for murder" fear ad with a mug photo of an hispanic. The other was a pure redneck "support the troops" political "soft" ad that could only have been conceived to further divide people.

Lamar, baby!

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Solway update So in other

Solway update

So in other words, with this new technology they have so much inventory they can't sell it all and have to run PSAs as filler?

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Say What You Want About Victor Ashe

But allowing digital billboards in the city of Knoxville would not be on the agenda while he was the mayor.

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Scenic Knoxville

Folks, a group of us has just formed Scenic Knoxville, a local chapter of Scenic Tennessee, and our first major challenge is to prevent the legalization of digital billboards in the city of Knoxville. As you can imagine, the industry is very strong, and it will take a formidable effort. Besides attending MPC on Feb 14, it will help to have supporters in attendance at the City Council meeting on March 11 at 6:30. MPC recommends, but City Council will make the final determination. You can also write a letter to your City Council member and get others to do so.

You can join Scenic Knoxville and start receiving quarterly newsletters by sending $20 annual dues to Scenic Tennessee, P.O. Box 12174, Murfreesboro, TN 37129.

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Congratulations. Looks like

Congratulations. Looks like you had some immediate impact. Based on article in todays NS.

Lisa Starbuck's picture

Scenic Knoxville

Visit the Scenic Knoxville website for more information.

jbr's picture

"Welcome to the Outernet"

"...billboards would become real-time competitors to local newspaper advertising"

"advertisers are paying triple the standard rate for digital billboards"

" Lamar plans to invest $100 million a year or so over the next five or six years to install up to 6,000 more digital billboards."

Hopefully not in Tennessee, or at least Knoxville.

The article
(link...)

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Interesting. On our last

Interesting. On our last trip we noticed a few digital billboards. One problem I found was that the ad was gone before you got the necessary information and by the time it came around again we were gone. I wonder how this fits with sales of these types of billboards. Doesn't it cause a problem or no one cares. If no one cares if the message is seen then why have them?

jbr's picture

According to the article it

According to the article it would seem Lamar made a business decision several years ago to depend heavily on billboards. If the digital billboard concept does not prove successful over the long term they may have problems. As I said earlier, I also suspect it is a way to build infrastructure to send messages to your phone/PDA
as you drive in vicinity of the billboards. The same connectivity that will be needed for the billboard would be used to send/update the focused ads.

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