Thu
Mar 29 2007
05:14 pm

Scoobie proposes to increase each county commissioner's discretionary fund from $5,000 to $50,000 per year.

Number9's picture

Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander...

Mayor Ragsdale had this to say, "We will present a budget on May 9 that will meet the needs of citizens across the entire county and is sensitive to proper use of taxpayer dollars."

Guess what office in Knox County Government does have $50,000 per year in a discretionary fund?

That would be Mayor Mike Ragsdale's office. Supposedly the Mayor can dole that out as he sees fit.

The current budget is around 560 million dollars with about $360 million for the School Board. Those are rough figures.

So this is .43% of the after School budget. I don't have the number for the Sheriff's department handy but that should be subtracted out also.

The point is Knox County gives 3 million dollars to non-profits like CTV every year. This is 28.5% of that amount.

It does sound a little high to me but if you have a bad road where you live it could suck up every bit of $50,000.

But isn't it curious that the Mayor's office has $50,000 of discretionary funds at their disposal?

The Sentinel rounded up, the actual amount is $855,000. Close to a million in government money.

R. Neal's picture

Wow, that was a quick edit.

Wow, that was a quick edit. What happened to 9 districts = $450K and .2% of the school budget? You didn't realize there were 19 county commissioners until after you typed that and submitted it?

Anyway, is this part of the "take back the government" program?

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Needs don't arise uniformly/concurrently across county

I don't like the notion of discretionary funds in any amount, because this practice of doling them out uniformly among districts assumes that spending needs arise uniformly (and concurrently) across districts. They don't.

The allocation of scarce monies should be conducted strictly on a basis of *prioritized* needs, irrespective of the districts in which those needs lie. Any other method of allocation wastes monies and creates needs "bottlenecks."

A political plum is a political plum is a political plum.

Number9's picture

Just misread it,

Wow, that was a quick edit. What happened to 9 districts = $450K and .2% of the school budget? You didn't realize there were 19 county commissioners until after you typed that and submitted it?

Not having Administrator privileges you have to work fast before the tread gets locked.

I thought it was per District. Do you want to give me a test on my knowledge of local government? Make sure I am qualified to post?

I can count to 19, even 20.

But your glee is curious. Looking to catch me in a mistake?

R. Neal's picture

No, my #9 bullshit and

No, my #9 bullshit and misstatement of fact detector is on high alert these days for some reason.

Anyway, you don't read the articles you comment on? You just fire off a knee-jerk anti-Ragsdale response at every opportunity?

Funny, I never liked the guy much before. You may do more single-handedly than Tyler Harber or anyone else ever to advance Ragsdale's political career.

Number9's picture

Was that a great article?

Anyway, you don't read the articles you comment on?

So the News Sentinel rounds up $855,000 to $1,000,000 but your bullshit detector doesn't go off? Most curious.

In fact, you did not do the math to find their error and passed it along in your headline. But you are quick on the draw if I make a correction.

How many articles from the News Sentinel are neutral? The pro-Ragsdale bias is evident. Well, almost evident, not everyone sees it.

There is nothing I can do to advance or decline Mayor Ragsdale. He is his greatest nemesis.

R. Neal's picture

19 X 50,000 = 950,000

19 X 50,000 = 950,000

R. Neal's picture

(And before you go off on

(And before you go off on another Ragsdale puppet conspiracy, the headline does not say "more".)

Number9's picture

Really?

(And before you go off on another Ragsdale puppet conspiracy, the headline does not say "more".)

Are you claiming that the New Sentinel does not give preferential treatment to both Mayor Ragsdale and Mayor Haslam?

The Commissioners already receive $5,000 per year. It was in the column but not reflected in the headline. A simple mistake? But the Editor would catch a simple mistake, right?

I find it curious you choose to use the word conspiracy as often as possible using my name but don't ask if there is a conspiracy at the Knoxville News Sentinel in the coverage of the two harmonious Mayors.

If the reporting and editorial has a positive bias towards these two Mayors, is the word conspiracy not appropriate? Or would it be more appropriate to just say it is a friendly optimism? Sort of like the coverage of Jobs Now or the Knox Area Chamber. A review of the Jobs Now numbers will find many problems. But who would ask the question?

Even Mr. Mean concedes the daily paper is not neutral concerning the two Mayors. Is your bullshit detector calibrated to the daily paper? Or just certain numerals?

R. Neal's picture

Right now my bullshit

Right now my bullshit detector is focused 99% 7 X 23.5 on #9. I can't control the KNS paper or website. I can control this one.

Frankly, I find it incredibly inconsistent that you have no problem turning over $1 million to Lumpy and Scoobie and the boys to spend however they want.

Would this be the same County Commission that perpetrated the 1/31 fiasco?

How many wheel tax payers will it take to pay for that? Let's see, I can do that math...

33,000 give or take? Does that sound right?

Number9's picture

Your statement is not accurate...

Frankly, I find it incredibly inconsistent that you have no problem turning over $1 million to Lumpy and Scoobie and the boys to spend however they want.

You can see what I wrote here. I wrote, "It does sound a little high to me but if you have a bad road where you live it could suck up every bit of $50,000".

From that you infer I approve of this. To coin a catchphrase from Rachel, I haven't decided yet. But I am leaning towards thinking it is a good idea. On a percent to total it does not seem unreasonable.

It is NOT Lumpy and Scoobie's money. Your characterization of the rest of Commission as the "boys" shows your bias. Whether or not you like what happened January 31st, not every Commissioner was involved. Putting the whole enchilada in Commissions lap was neither fair nor realistic but it was the law.

I would say to many of you grow up. You act like petulant children. This is what politics is. A political vacuum was created when 5 Commissioners sued to invalidate the Charter. Did your villains Lumpy and Scoobie have anything to do with that? No. But that was the origin of this whole mess.

Mayor Ragsdale has repeatedly put the people and the County in harms way. So some non-collegiate men from the North side step into a political vacuum and play the same kind of hardball the County Mayor has played for years and now they are criminals? That is preposterous.

We would not be here if it wasn't for Mayor Ragsdale, the hell no 5, Chancellor Weaver, the State Supreme Court, and the idiot people that voted for term limited Commissioners. At least Mark Harmon prevailed. The one silver lining.

Let me tell you what realpolitik is. Somebody kicks you in the nuts, you kick them in the nuts. The PR is pretty bad from both sides. But there is going to be a fight and for that I am both pleased and grateful.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Well, nuts.

Nine: "Let me tell you what realpolitik is. Somebody kicks you in the nuts, you kick them in the nuts."

Well, nuts. I have none. I can't play?

Nine: "I would say to many of you grow up. You act like petulant children."

Nine, where did you hear this? Have you been playing with Lumpy?

Nine: "This is what politics is."

Exactly, so thanks for helping with *my* argument.

Politics shouldn't enter into government's methods for distributing public funds, but this method is way too political. It's devoid of accountability, distributes funds on an artitrary and unprioritized basis, and carries high potential to waste scarce public funds.

Seriously, this problem isn't a problem of the players, its a problem of the play, that's all.

R. Neal's picture

You act like petulant

You act like petulant children.

That may be the funniest and most ironic thing you've ever written at this blog.

R. Neal's picture

Based on the fact that he

Based on the fact that he completely dodged the wheel tax question, Number 9 apparently wants 30,000+ Knox Co. auto owners to pay wheel tax to support county commission discretionary funds.

Repat often:

#9 supports 33,000+ Knox Co. residents paying the wheel tax.

#9 supports 33,000+ Knox Co. residents paying the wheel tax.

#9 supports 33,000+ Knox Co. residents paying the wheel tax.

#9 supports 33,000+ Knox Co. residents paying the wheel tax.

S Carpenter's picture

#9 says: "I would say to

#9 says: "I would say to many of you grow up. You act like petulant children."

Am not, am not, am not, am not, am not, am not.

Rachel's picture

You may do more

You may do more single-handedly than Tyler Harber or anyone else ever to advance Ragsdale's political career.

With enemies like Number, who needs friends?

Justin's picture

Hey #9...did Ragsdale steal

Hey #9...did Ragsdale steal your lunch money when you were a wee little lad?

D Mac's picture

Rebecca Ferrar should dig a

Rebecca Ferrar should dig a little and find out the distribution of those funds from Scott Moore for the past 4 years. It would be interesting to see how much of it has gone to schools as he suggested in his comments.

I wonder if this is just another way for him to skirt fully funding the school system when the budget comes up. First he was trying to give money to the schools by raising the penalty for late property tax to 20% and earmarking that increase for "school books". I just see all this as his way of coming back later saying that he has been trying to find money for schools in creative ways. Even it is really just throwing pennies at the issue.

Leslie's picture

Discretionary Funds

My understanding regarding discretionary funds is that they are used at the discretion of the full elected body - the councilman may request, but it is up to city council to approve the expenditure. Is county commission different from city council on that point?

The devil is in the details.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Leslie, your observation

Leslie, your observation about City Council (and maybe County Commission) having to approve the discretionary spending does answer that one concern of accountability.

Proper prioritization of projects is another, unanswered concern, though.

Whether the level of district discretionary funding is $10,000 for two commissioners, or $100,000 for two commissioners, why should the urgent $130,000 project that wasn't funded through the budget be postponed as a result of this practice which takes an entire $950,000 in funding off the table?

(Edit: OK, scratch the "$10K for two commissioners" reference--it garbles my intended message.)

Sandra Clark's picture

$50K

Scoobie needs a press agent (or a muzzle). He's reacting to Ragsdale having a literal slush fund for community projects out of which he funds favors for commissioners who vote the right way (can you spell John Mills?)

Clearly, we need zero slush funds. But if slush we will, Scott is simply saying commissioners should control the output into their districts -- not Ragsdale. With this I concur. -- s.

Leslie's picture

Regression Abounds

And I still dream of the day that the "wheel tax" will be the appropriate ad valurem that it should be.

Where is that consultant from Nashville going to be hanging out? I want a word with him.

As for whether or not "Discretionary Funds" are an appropriate source of dollars for an elected official to have access to, I have mixed feelings about it. But, after thinking about it, I have to say that I don't support the increase.

A politician could develop/use a great deal more favor with any amount of cash. Having more to do it with feels a bit like taxpayers helping to foot the reelection campaigns.

No go. And maybe the practice should end.

River Dog's picture

Do away with all County Departments

Hey,

Let's just do away with all the county departments and let the commissioners dole out the money as they see fit. Call on your local ward healer give em a half pint of whiskey, and ask if he'll call Lumpy for ya and come fix the pot hole in your road.

Now thatttts gooood guvvvernment. Kountry Kommishin

Ennui's picture

Aren't these folks needing

Aren't these folks needing millions for their KCSD pension startup(try and not let anyone else walk out of custody, deputies) seems like asking for more discretionary funds is not cool.

Hoseman19's picture

Use

What do they want to do with the money? What are the specifics?

Number9's picture

Might be...

What do they want to do with the money? What are the specifics?

a stalking horse.

Scoobie is adept at that move. Is this more about shining the light on Mayor Ragsdale's $50,000 slush discretionary fund?

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