Here is some brilliant, insightful wisdom from one of the Republican Party's leading spokespersons:

  • "Liberals are stalwart defenders of civil liberties - provided we're only talking about criminals."
  • "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."
  • "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."
  • "We've finally given liberals a war against fundamentalism, and they don't want to fight it. They would, except it would put them on the same side as the United States."
  • "Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots, and on the matter of America's self-preservation, the difference is irrelevant."
  • "While the form of treachery varies slightly from case to case, liberals always manage to take the position that most undermines American security."

(Source)

See, Ann Coulter is getting a bad rap on this plagiarism stuff. She's clearly quite capable of making up insane bullshit all on her own, and even better at marketing it to the 30% dead enders.

Had enough? In November 2006, ask every Republican candidate if Ann Coulter speaks for him or her. Then watch them squirm. Then vote for a Democrat.

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Good suggestion. Base your

Good suggestion. Base your voting preference on the moronic rants of one person. Ann Coulter is an idiot. The libs have them too.

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Yeah, coulter's an idiot.

Yeah, coulter's an idiot. But so is Ted Rall, that crazy lady at firedoglake, etc. Do they speak for you?

Every group has their hateful twits.

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No, but they don't appear on

No, but they don't appear on CNNMSNBCFOX every freakin' day. Ask 10 people on the street if they've ever heard of either of those people.

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Then how about kos ('screw

Then how about kos ('screw em); or franken impersonating thurmond; or mckinney blaming those J-O-O-S! I could go on. If it's just a matter of people folks have heard of.

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Do you see Kos or

Do you see Kos or Firedoglake on my blogroll?

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I'm not dumping you in with

I'm not dumping you in with the lot from FDG or Kos. Just saying that lumping all Rs in with Coulter isn't cool either.

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Thanks for letting me know.

Thanks for letting me know. Cool is my utmost goal in life.

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I really think it's a stretch

Then how about kos ('screw em);... 

 I really think it's a major stretch to compare that one remark with virtually anything that pops out of Coulter's mouth.  Especially when you look at the context of Kos's many followups to explain and maybe, as I recall, to at least conditionally express regret for that remark.  Coulter stands proudly by her words and just moves on to something just as outrageous.  The same can be said for many other popular voices for the mainstream right, including those Randy mentioned.  And again, just who are these obscure shrill voices on the left and how much of even their own side hears and endorses their words, let alone Today Show-sized audiences? 

That's the difference. 

P.S. If you want to talk consequences, where also is the fallout and moral outrage since it's been exposed that one of the main pillars of the conservative right traveled to the Dominican Republic for two days with little more than a bottle of Viagra?  I think the GOP has no shame because they obviously endorse the messages from these spokes-people.  And maybe they're really not uncomfortable with such sleaze.

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P.S. And I guess that's

P.S. And I guess that's really the frustration of many reasonable Americans.

On the right, we have Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Neil Boortz (who's real name is Randy Neal, by the way, and no I'm not making that up), Laura Ingraham, Michael Savage, all the zombie bozos on Fox News, half the talking-head idiots on CNN, Joe Scarborogh (who is at least rational most of the time), etc. etc.

On the left, we have... uh, let's see, ehmm, Randi Rhodes?

I know, I know. It's a "marketplace of ideas". Right. Just like all our other "free" markets.

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"free" market

Well, actually many Libs have attempted to get air time... Air America and even you beloved Al Franken TRIED to get something going on the radio... alas, no one listened. You know why Boortz, Savage, Hannity, O'Reilly and such are there?? Because people listen. Ah, now that's a beautiful free market. Oh and just for the record most of the bozos at your ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC who decide which stories are run and how they're presented are card carrying liberals. If you don't believe me check out mediaresearch.org

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A Republican what now?

Just to point out the boringly obvious, Coulter is not a spokesperson for the Republican party.

She gets booked on TV talkshows because she's guaranteed to say something controversial and controversy is good for TV ratings.


Hey, Les, why don't we just call each other assholes and get it over with. - Somebody on the old Southknoxbubba.net (if that was you, claim your quote and win net.fame!)

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A little pedantic don't you

A little pedantic don't you think, Uncle?

We all put it in perspective. I don't think I would compare Franken or McKinney or kos to Coulter, but I'm not a Libertarian. What don't you like about Al? I haven't seen him on CNNMSNBCFOX in a while, but maybe I haven't been watching. He's easier on the eyes as well.

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Putting aside the . . .

"Republican Party's leading spokespersons" remark.  The point stands that Coulter is on TV all the time.  The supposed Democratic counterparts mentioned above aren't.

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"The point stands that

"The point stands that Coulter is on TV all the time.  The supposed Democratic counterparts mentioned above aren't."

Possible theories why:

  • Those guys are ugly.
  • Until recently no one outside of the blogosphere has ever heard of them.
  • They don't have major book publishers putting them on TV to generate buzz.
  • Liberal shows book Coulter to make all conservatives look crazy.

But anyway I'm not sure how those guys lack of bookings somehow proves that Coulter is an official spokesperson for the Republican party. She clearly isn't, and she doesn't identify herself that way.

A better analogue for Coulter would be Michael Moore, who did get booked a lot back when he had movies he was plugging. 


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Is that why you blogroll

Is that why you blogroll Michelle Malkin - to make conservatives look crazy?

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Ha!

Malkin is a might strong at times, but she has excellent news coverage. She's also not a toady for Bush. She was critical of Bush appointing Mike Brown at FEMA and Julie Myers at ICE. I can understand why a lot of liberals hate her.


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I can understand why a lot

I can understand why a lot of liberals hate her.

Yeah? Why do you think so? 

.... let me rephrase the question: What line would Malkin have to cross for you to take her off your blogroll? 

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Ms. Maglalangagag

I can understand why a lot of liberals hate her.

Self-loathing, raving hypocrite tops my list.

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/Those guys are

/Those guys are ugly.
Krauthammer
Brit Hume
Kristol
etc, etc.
Also, are you saying she's attractive? She-Males are not my type, but whatever works for you.

/Liberal shows book Coulter to make all conservatives look crazy.

What liberal shows?

/But anyway I'm not sure how those guys lack of bookings somehow proves that Coulter is an official spokesperson for the Republican party.

Who said she was a 'official' spokesperson. All Mr. Neal is saying to ask your Repub canidate what he or she thinks of Coulter.
Which really is a waste of time. They will just give some bs answer (she's an enterainer, ann who? etc). Many moons ago on a blog ran by a former South Knoxvillian I asked the former Knox GOP Director what he thought of Ann. He gave the entertainer bit and then said he did not really read or pay attention to her. When I pointed out some links and approving comments he had posted about her at the KnoxGop website he had no comment.

/She clearly isn't, and she doesn't identify herself that way.
Neither does Neal Boortz, Glen Instaliar or a dozen other hacks feeding from the GOP trough.

/A better analogue for Coulter would be Michael Moore, who did get booked a lot back when he had movies he was plugging.

Yes just yesterday Moore was joking about blowing up the publishing office for Field and Stream.

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A better analogue for

A better analogue for Coulter would be Michael Moore, who did get booked a lot back when he had movies he was plugging.

Except that every one of the GOP spinmeisters *demanded* that the Democratic leadership disavow Michael Moore, and the D's obliged -- I don't see any Republicans jumping out front to say that Ann Coulter doesn't speak for them.

Well, and Moore doesn't go on TV and insist that Republicans, journalists, and foreigners should be murdered.

There's a sense that Moore would at least agree to disagree at some point. He doesn't go on to say that people who think he's crazy ought to be summarily executed.

Those guys are ugly.

I guess if everyone was into horse-faced, anemic, pasty women with Adam's apples the size of baseballs, you'd have a point.

Until recently no one outside of the blogosphere has ever heard of them.

No one ever heard of Coulter until after the fake Troopergate scandal, either.

They don't have major book publishers putting them on TV to generate buzz.

Regnery is "major?"

Liberal shows book Coulter to make all conservatives look crazy.

I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks that Joe McCarthy was a misunderstood genius doesn't need help making their followers look crazy.

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Ted Rall?

Yeah, that guy's an Omnipresent Media Juggernaut.

Watch this. It'll blow yer mind.

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How about 'big fat crybaby'?

She posted the home addresses and contact info of the Students Against War kids online in an "enemies list" she used to encourage their harrassment, and then cried like a baby when some bloggers did the same thing to her. Apparently we were all supposed to be mindful of the fact that she has young children, despite the fact that she showed no such courtesy to the folks she harrassed.

Let's see. As Axel mentioned, "hypocrite" ought to be her middle name. In a cursory web search I found a few gems like this one: "Despite being born in the US to parents visiting on a work visa, Malkin is outspoken in opposition to the granting of automatic U.S. citizenship to babies born to tourists and temporary workers (so-called "anchor babies"), saying, "Citizenship is too precious to squander on accidental Americans in Name Only." Malkin articulated her position on "anchor babies" with regards to the case of Yaser Esam Hamdi, an American citizen born to Saudi parents who were working in the United States on temporary work visas."

Furthermore, I think many on the left would like to hold rank and file Republicans responsible in general for just who does speak for them. Coulter, Malkin and their ilk would cause nary a ripple if the current Republican Administration weren't trying hell bent for leather to absolutely annihilate any expectation Americans once had of truthfulness from their government, or accountability, or even consistency. Coulter, et al are merely the faces and voices for a lot of the shrillness and mean-spiritedness coming out of official Washington these days, so many on the left feel they're the utter personifications of what the Republicans are about these days.

Sure, I think Republicans should be made to answer for Coulter, because a lot of what she says is the logical extension of many of their official policies. Many believe she's actually sent out by Mehlman to float outrageous trial balloons, so then when the Republicans choose to move forward with some absurdly cruel or shortsighted piece of legislation, the journalist class goes right along with it.

Hey, somebody has to play stalking horse for their apocalyptic vision of America.

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She posted the home

She posted the home addresses and contact info of the Students Against War kids online in an "enemies list" she used to encourage their harrassment, and then cried like a baby when some bloggers did the same thing to her. Apparently we were all supposed to be mindful of the fact that she has young children, despite the fact that she showed no such courtesy to the folks she harrassed.

Not to mention her "reaction" to UCSC's Chancellor Denise Denton's apparent suicide in the wake of all of that mess. Class-ay.

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Especially when you look at

Especially when you look at the context of Kos's many followups to explain and maybe, as I recall, to at least conditionally express regret for that remark.

IIRC, he just deleted it. But then I don't read kos.

Personally, i blogroll malkin because she's a one-stop shop for what republican blogs are saying.

Except that every one of the GOP spinmeisters *demanded* that the Democratic leadership disavow Michael Moore, and the D's obliged

So, I only imagined he was at their convention as an invited guest?

I don't see any Republicans jumping out front to say that Ann Coulter doesn't speak for them

I've seen plenty but then I read conservative blogs too.

she posted the home addresses and contact info of the Students Against War kids online in an "enemies list" she used to encourage their harrassment

IIRC, she linked to their press release (or maybe published it on her site) which had info that they, you know, wanted relased. to the press.

And I'm making no effort to defend coulter.

I think comparing moore to coulter is perfectly apt. Both cater to fringes. One says hateful things. One is a liar.

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I think comparing moore to

Personally, i blogroll malkin because she's a one-stop shop for what republican blogs are saying.

Which makes her different from B-Ho or Instahack ... how?

I think comparing moore to coulter is perfectly apt. Both cater to fringes. One says hateful things. One is a liar.

Well, at least Moore is original.

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Personally, i blogroll

Personally, i blogroll malkin because she's a one-stop shop for what republican blogs are saying.

Aha! So Malkin represents the Republican mainstream!

But seriously. Are you on board with her apologia for and advocacy of racial internment (not to mention her sloppy, libelous "research")?

How about her labeling of (however naive, misguided and/or obnoxious) war critics as treasonous?  (I think she's treading a very fine line by "outing" people, and that someone will eventually be hurt or killed. If Malkin knows anything, it's her audience; she has to know that it's awash in nationalist testosterone and easily juiced up by talk of treachery. The defense that those two goobers got what's coming because they gave out their phone numbers for media interviews is ridiculous. That's like saying its ok to run someone over if they cross the street without looking).

I could go on and on about other boundaries she's pushed, such as lunatic conspiracy theories about crescents and messicans or speaking ill -violently ill - of the recently departed, but you surely read her more closely than I.

So you tell me. What's beyond the pale?

 

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Do you mean you can't find

IIRC, he just deleted it. But then I don't read kos.

Do you mean you can't find the Kos mea culpa?

It came up as the first hit of the first thing I googled.  Does this post of Kos's read like anything that Coulter is capable of doing, in terms of propriety?

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"She posted the home

"She posted the home addresses and contact info of the Students Against War kids online in an "enemies list" she used to encourage their harrassment,"

You're mis-remembering it (there were no home addresses), and the group included their phone numbers and email addresses in their own press release. Here's a thread at SayUncle's from that time, and here's what I said about it then:

[The Students Against War] Printed [the contact info] by mistake, my foot. <a href="http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004999.htm" rel="nofollow">Here’s a scan of the press release</a>. That contact information was included intentionally in a press release marked “FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE” and with their names listed as the ad-hoc press team.</p>
I agree, though, that once the protestors told Malkin they were getting death threats and asked her to take down their contact info that she should have done so. Leaving it up is irresponsible.</blockquote>

So yeah, a lot of people went overboard in criticizing Malkin over the information (the SAW people shot themselves in the foot when they sent it out in a press release), but I didn't agree with her leaving that info up. Like I say, she's a might strong and I don't always agree with her, but her opponents over-reaction to her says more about them than it does about her.


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Which makes her different

Which makes her different from B-Ho or Instahack ... how?

If you think insty's a republican hack, i don't think you know what a hack is. or a republican. I don't blogroll B-Ho either. Though I do run into his stuff when linked from elsewhere.

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Um, OK

Pretty rich when Coulter is defended as the antithesis of "a liar" during the very week she's being widely eviscerated for plagiarism.

I'd be interested in reading any cites of "lies" coming from the Moore establishment that anywhere near approach either the hatefulness or level of duplicity of anything Coulter puts out. Not that I'm denying Moore is something of a showboat, but calling the two the same is like claiming both a Dixie cup and the Atlantic Ocean basin are effectively congruous because both hold water.

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Sven, linking is not

Sven, linking is not endorsement. I link here and don't agree with or endorse everything posted. I think her defense of internment was pretty retarded.

Eleanor, again, i'm not defending coulter. never called her an antithesis but said she and moore are comparable. Moore has said some hateful things too. You can google that up yourself.

ETA: heh. plagiarism, guess that means they're both liars.

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Hateful

Moore has said some hateful things too.

"Hateful" how?

Like this?

"Liberals love America like O.J. loved Nicole."

"The 9/11 widows are witches and harpies."

"John Walker Lindh should be executed in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed too."

"We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens' creme brulee."

She said of Rep. John Murtha, the hawkish ex-Marine and now antiwar congressman: "The reason soldiers invented 'fragging.'"

"If Cleland had dropped a grenade on himself at Fort Dix rather than in Vietnam, he would never have been a U.S. Senator in the first place. Maybe he’d be the best pharmacist in Atlanta. He didn't 'give his limbs for his country,' or leave them 'on the battlefield.' There was no bravery involved in dropping a grenade on himself with no enemy troops in sight."

Please -- I'd like to see the representative quotes by Michael Moore which are this vile, insipid, and rise to the level of sanctioning murder.

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"Hateful" how? Try google.

"Hateful" how?

Try google. you keep getting back to this coulter thing. no one here seems to be defending her.

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No, you Google, and print

No, you Google, and print here what you're talking about, Uncle.

You're intimating that what she says is excusable because of the sorts of things that Michael Moore has to say, yet you have yet to provide a single example for comparison.

I want to know what it is that has you so worked up. I've showed you what I find offensive. Now you show me. Otherwise, I'm just going to assume that said statements flat don't exist.

And I "keep coming back to this Coulter thing" because THAT'S THE SUBJECT OF THE THREAD. Michael Moore is, in fact, a sidetrack. But since we're there, pony up the goods.

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No, you Google, and print

No, you Google, and print here what you're talking about, Uncle

No. Work your own google-fu on al gore's tubes of internets. there's plenty there.

You're intimating that what she says is excusable because of the sorts of things that Michael Moore has to say,

No, i'm not. i'm defending neither. You guys just seem upset (or in denial) that your side has one too.

And I "keep coming back to this Coulter thing" because THAT'S THE SUBJECT OF THE THREAD. Michael Moore is, in fact, a sidetrack. But since we're there, pony up the goods.

But you (eleanor, actually) keep asking me about it and I said i'm not defending her.

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Moore quotes

You are now entering the Michael Moore quotin' fun zone

"We Americans suffer from an enforced ignorance. We don't know about anything that's happening outside our country. Our stupidity is embarrassing." - said while in Britain

"The motivation for war is simple. The U.S. government started the war with Iraq in order to make it easy for U.S. corporations to do business in other countries. They intend to use cheap labor in those countries, which will make Americans rich." - as told to a Japanese newspaper

"The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not `insurgents' or `terrorists' or `The Enemy.' They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow — and they will win."

Like Uncle, I'm not defending Coulter.


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I think your blog's great,

I think your blog's great, for example, and I'd blogroll it...if I had blog.

Thanks.

But Malkin is a perfect example of someone who should be marginalized - for the good of both sides of the political spectrum. But she won't be unless others stop linking to her.

Well, not sure about that. Sure, she crosses into crazy land on occassion but overall i find her site informative with respect to what the right blogs are yammering. Saves me from reading powerline.

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OK, I'll take the bait

Mostly because I agree with a lot of what Moore says, including the quotes just cut 'n pasted above.

As far as articles from the WSJ and DLC? Boy, you really don't read Kos, do you? Neither of those outlets are particularly beloved by anyone left of, say, Joe Lieberman.

For the record, Uncle, I also agree with pretty much how Axel has characterized this. "It's OK for Coulter to incite people to riot and murder, because your side has one too!"

Well, actually, we don't. Nothing Moore says is anywhere near as downright hateful, untruthful, and OK - I'll say it - treasonous as what Coulter puts out.

And she claims it's "humor." I guess I could make jokes about her rape by a gang of AIDS-ridden prison escapees, but somehow I doubt she'd find that funny. Right-wing "humorists" rarely appreciate the joke when it's on them.

(Gee, why am I thinking of Rush Limbaugh as I write this? Mostly because his whole life is one big joke, but sadly it's on the uneducated folks living in rural areas who don't have many news outlets and wind up listening to the roar of the wind between the man's ears...)

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Check the byline

"As far as articles from the WSJ and DLC?"

The WSJ piece was a guest editorial by Scott Simon, host of NPR's Weekend Edition.

"Boy, you really don't read Kos, do you? Neither of those outlets are particularly beloved by anyone left of, say, Joe Lieberman."

I vaguely know that the DLC isn't considered feverish enough for the Deaniac/Kos/MoveOn crowd which basically thinks that if your ideas are mainstream enough to actually, like, win elections that you must secretly be a Nazi. Unfortunately that crowd pretty much owns the Democratic party these days, which is why they're expending so much energy beating up on Joe Lieberman.


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Dream on

...that crowd pretty much owns the Democratic party these days...

 We wish, Les, oh how we wish! 

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'We wish, Les, oh how we

'We wish, Les, oh how we wish! '

So do we because then their destruction would be complete.

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Well, I guess that tells us

Well, I guess that tells us where you're coming from. OK, then.

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Actually, i'm hit or miss on

Actually, i'm hit or miss on the dems these days. some seem to have it together and some really lose me. I like, for example, feingold, reid (sometimes), dean before he went nuts, and i'd like edwards if he hadn't gotten all al gore on us. And that hackett was A-OK in my book, but i think the party did him in. And kurita was cool too. i just despise the 'old' democrats. and i don't mean old school, i mean the hillaries, schumers, kennedies and kerries. the new guys should put distance between themselves and the old guys but can't due to the $$$$$$.

ETA: still not a fan of lieberman, he's a statist prick. but the conservatives seem to dig him because he's all pro-war n' shit. As the war has progressed, i've started to realize what a colossal fuck up it was (due to mismanagement and not because of blood for oil and all that other crap)

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Oh wow...I missed a good one

Oh wow...I missed a good one by walking up the creek and asking the tresspassers to stop shooting their weapons on my land, clean up their mess, and leave tomorrow morning.

 Michael Moore was not caught in any lies in 9-11. Coulter can't open her mouth except to change feet...(Insert appropriate coruscating witticism here regarding oversized feet and mouth)

And who was that defending Maulkin? You gotta be kidding!

And Unk, exactly when did Dean go nuts? He's put together a great team and implemented a fifty state strategy that may actually work. And before you go all goofy on me, remember that the NRA endorsed him.

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RTFA

"We wish, Les, oh how we wish!"

Dude, read that link. Here's the LoseOn.org exec direc:

It's our Party," MoveOn's twenty-four-year-old executive director, Eli Pariser, declared in an e-mail. "We bought it, we own it and we're going to take it back."

And LoseOn.org is just as effective at winning elections as Mad "Couldn't Win a Primary Outside His Home State" How or Daily "Screw 'em/0 for 16" KKKos. The Dems are going to have to dump those guys and get Lurch out of the picture before they can win again.


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Hey Les...

Daily "Screw 'em/0 for 16" KKKos.

Kos = the Klan? What manner of dog-whistle politics is this? I mean, I try to stay hip to what's going on "over yonder," but I can't say I know this one.

And why would you care about Kos and his losing record? If he's so unsuccessful, then I'd figure you'd be glad he was in charge. Duh. "When your opponent is drowning, you throw the sumbitch an anvil," as the saying goes.

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 "If he's so unsuccessful,

 "If he's so unsuccessful, then I'd figure you'd be glad he was in charge."

Which shows you don't understand me at all. I think it's terrible that the Democrats are so over the edge, and that there's only one party that most people will vote for, which is why the Republicans control the White House, the Senate, and the House of Representatives. Political hegemony is a bad thing for the country.

The multiple Ks were just fucking around.  

Steve: Dean's been nuts forever, but here are some recent examples from the past month. 


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"So many Democrats so far over the edge..."

I think it's terrible that the Democrats are so over the edge, and that there's only one party that most people will vote for, which is why the Republicans control the White House, the Senate, and the House of Representatives. Political hegemony is a bad thing for the country.

Yet you use the word "liberal" as if it were a perjorative or a curse word, and trivialize anything that's remotely progressive politically, as if it were motivated by avarice, idiocy, or a sincere desire to regulate away everything from religious practice to making a profit.

See, when you perceive and define the ragged left "edge" of politics as the milquetoast right-of-centrism of the Blue Dog Coalition, then I believe that what you are indeed arguing for is political homogenization, if not hegemony. I fail to see how it could be any different.

So, you're right. I don't understand you. When I try to consider your position relative to my value system (yes, we "liberals" do have those), what I see is an impossibly conceived spectrum of acceptable political beliefs on your part.

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Les Jones's picture

"Yet you use the word

"Yet you use the word "liberal" as if it were a perjorative or a curse word, and trivialize anything that's remotely progressive politically, as if it were motivated by avarice, idiocy, or a sincere desire to regulate away everything from religious practice to making a profit."

Because "liberal" has gotten to be a bad, dumb brand that's all about flashing politically correct gang signs instead of thinking straight or getting anything done. Note that Eleanor A. had to defend "he" as a pronoun for politicians for fear of offending anyone's delicate PC sensitivities.

Modern liberals are largely a bunch of wimps and hypocrites. They want to bash everyone else over global warming, but don't live any differently than your average Republican except for possibly having a car with slightly less displacement. Too many think that "judging people by the content of their character instead of the color of their skin" sounds great, but then support affirmative action anyway. People who are in favor of "choice" when it comes to aborting children, but not for letting parents decide where to send their non-aborted kids to school. People who assume that American soldiers accused of misconduct are automatically guilty until proven innocent, but who think Castro and Chavez aren't really so bad.

You want more? Baby boomers who were still in diapers when Eisenhower integrated schools and Kennedy signed the 1964 Civil Rights Act are standing around taking credit for the civil rights movement as if they personally marched in Selma. And they validate their personal self-worth by assuming that everyone else is a racist. Too many people who call themselves liberals congratulate themselves for being in favor of giving away other people's money via taxes as if it were the same as giving out their own precious lucre.

Hey, lots of hypocrisy on the other side, too - conservatives who talk family values and then cheat like hell on their wives are pretty damned galling - but my perception is that the liberals are the worst right now. They're the epitome of empty, grandstanding, self-congratulatory politics.

And you want to know why I think that's bad? The Democrats occasionally get it right. Kennedy and somebody had a bill that would have guaranteed every worker seven sick days a year. That's a wonderful, wonderful idea that's good for workers and good for families. Unfortunately it didn't make it. The good ideas can't get through if you have so many bad ideas that you can't get people in your party elected.

So like dude said, "I pretty much have to wear a gas mask when pulling the level for the Republicans these days, but it would take an armored hazmat suit for me to vote for most Democrat or third-party candidates these days."


Hey, Les, why don't we just call each other assholes and get it over with. - Somebody on the old Southknoxbubba.net (if that was you, claim your quote and win net.fame!)

Andy Axel's picture

Because "liberal" has gotten

Because "liberal" has gotten to be a bad, dumb brand that's all about flashing politically correct gang signs instead of thinking straight or getting anything done.

Let's see -- how many conservative tropes can you fit into a single sentence?

Liberals are herd-mentality dumbasses who can't think or accomplish anything.

You know, that doesn't tell me a lot about my politics, in particular. It's wrong on so many levels. But it does inform me as to the prejudices held by garden-variety dittoheads.

Note that Eleanor A. had to defend "he" as a pronoun for politicians for fear of offending anyone's delicate PC sensitivities.

I read that differently. It's just a fact that Tennessee is behind the times as far as women in elected office. Or are you genuinely unaware that only 14% of state elected offices are held by women in Tennessee, when the national average is considerably higher?

Modern liberals are largely a bunch of wimps and hypocrites.

Overgeneralize much?

They want to bash everyone else over global warming, but don't live any differently than your average Republican except for possibly having a car with slightly less displacement.

So there's some way we can talk on the Internet without being on a coal-fired electrical grid owned by TVA? Do tell.

At least having a car with lower displacement is, you know, kinda doing something about it -- rather than bleating in denial about scientific consensus. (And, you know, if there was a liberal living differently, you would trash them for being nuts, rather than practical.)

Too many think that "judging people by the content of their character instead of the color of their skin" sounds great, but then support affirmative action anyway.

So you would argue that institutional barriers which deny services or opportunities to people based on racial superstitions have been eliminated, then? Do tell.

People who are in favor of "choice" when it comes to aborting children, but not for letting parents decide where to send their non-aborted kids to school.

If you want to send your kids to parochial school, knock yourself out. If you want to send your kids to high school in Farragut, move to Farragut. Just don't expect me to subsidize your children's religious education. (And, while we're at the topic of parenthood, how about finally admitting that gay people are as legitimate at parenting as a pair of hetero breeders?)

People who assume that American soldiers accused of misconduct are automatically guilty until proven innocent, but who think Castro and Chavez aren't really so bad.

You know what's really awful about Haditha? That Republicans would immediately assume "liberal plot" rather than be horrified at the details of three year old children and senior-aged invalids being plugged with automatic rifle fire. (Next up -- how Lt. Calley was pretty much misunderstood...)

Baby boomers who were still in diapers when Eisenhower integrated schools and Kennedy signed the 1964 Civil Rights Act are standing around taking credit for the civil rights movement as if they personally marched in Selma. And they validate their personal self-worth by assuming that everyone else is a racist.

You apparently are laboring under the delusion that the struggle for civil rights stopped on 4 April 1968. See previous comments.

Y'know, a lot of people worked really hard during the '50's and '60's to make integration and civil rights happen. Many of them are still alive. And I doubt you were even a gleam in your momma's eye in 1964, yet you somehow find yourself fit to judge.

As far as the issue of racism -- I'll forgo extensive commentary on your wrong-headed psychological BS. Let's just not pretend that race is not an issue for white folks anymore.

Too many people who call themselves liberals congratulate themselves for being in favor of giving away other people's money via taxes as if it were the same as giving out their own precious lucre.

You think borrowing money and running up the national credit card is a better solution? Are you in favor of devastating the value of the dollar, spiraling interest rates, unchecked deficit spending, and being the standards-bearer among debtor nations? Seriously.

...my perception is that the liberals are the worst right now. They're the epitome of empty, grandstanding, self-congratulatory politics.

Yet, at the same time, a dwindling, struggling minority party without much of a clue as to how to right the ship. Granted.

But if you want to talk about empty grandstanding, let's just replay the day that we saw "Mission Accomplished" declared (over 1400 days and a couple thousand American lives ago). Go drive down Judge Perez in St. Bernard Parish and then you come back and lecture me about empty politics. Please, tell me what exactly that the GOP is accomplishing in their drive to turn K Street into a Republican lobbying monopoly, other than turning certain officials into convicted felons at a rate of about 1 every month or so.

The good ideas can't get through if you have so many bad ideas that you can't get people in your party elected.

Or maybe we could just run on a bunch of phony promises to get Osama bin Laden and sponsor gay marriage amendments to motivate people through fear and superstition.

And we could have surrogate campaigns out in the wilderness publishing bulk-buy books from vanity presses talking about how all liberals need to be intimidated or exterminated.

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SayUncle's picture

OK, not much to say here now

OK, not much to say here now but:

Just don't expect me to subsidize your children's religious education.

You're aware you do that now, right?

(And, while we're at the topic of parenthood, how about finally admitting that gay people are as legitimate at parenting as a pair of hetero breeders?

Sure, all for it. You are aware that both political parties' platforms have basically the same position on gay marriage and on gay rights in general?

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SayUncle
Can't we all just get a long gun?

Andy Axel's picture

And it's a goddamned shame

Sure, all for it. You are aware that both political parties' platforms have basically the same position on gay marriage and on gay rights in general?

I believe that Les was reviling liberals in particular, not a specific political party.

Yes, I'm aware that the DP are all too willing to sell out gays in order to score political points.

It's cheap, it's sleazy, and it's stupid.

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Eleanor A's picture

Unfortunately

Our esteemed Governor, whose approval rating is a full 20 percentage points higher among Republicans than Democrats, has been out grandstanding in the newspaper on the issue. Apparently he thinks it's just dandy to score cheap, easy political points against the folks who've put you where you are. Unfortunately this is just the most recent iteration.

Sometimes I wonder how the guy can sleep at night. Rumor has it the Democratic Party infrastructure is often used as a convenient foil when aspirants to elected office from counties like Shelby and Davidson think you can't get elected as a Republican.

Gee. You think I might have some issues with my local Democratic representation, which ought to be doing a better job?

Number9's picture

I missed this thread,

I missed this thread, thinking it was yet another platform for Andy Axel's monomaniacal yammering.

Deb Frisch makes Ann Coulter seem pretty tame.

Why would any University hire such an obviously disturbed person?

Since Dr. Frisch has apologised should people give her a second chance?

For example Dr. Deb Frisch has written the following:

(link...)

[…] as I said elsewhere, if I woke up tomorrow and learned that someone else had shot you and your “tyke” it wouldn’t slow me down one iota. You aren’t “human” to me.

I reiterate: If some nutcase kidnapped your child tomorrow and did to her what was done to your fellow Coloradan, Jon-Benet Ramsey, I wouldn’t give a damn.

Give your pathetic progeny (I sure hope that mofo got good genes from his mama!) a big fat tongue-filled kiss from me! LOTS AND LOTS OF SALIVA from Auntie MOONBAT, if you don’t mind!

Somehow, Jeffy boy, I think you get off on the possibility of Frenching your pathetic progeny, even if it is a boy. You seem like a VERY, VERY sick mofo to me, bro.

You know, Jeff, I just don’t get it. You say, and I believe you, that a human female chose to procreate with you and you have produced a 2 year old progeny.

But you live in Colorado and I really can’t believe there are women desperate and/or stupid enough to procreate with the likes of you.

What am I missing, dude?

So the poor bitch is dirt poor and that’s why she pretended you were worthy of procreating with?

I am SHAKING, I tell you, SHAKING!!! in my boots at the prosect at an FBI and/or state police trooper tromping down my driveway to see if I was a threat to the progeny of the pissant name of Jeff “pissant” Goldstein of the pathetic, neutered, sissified, state of Colorado. I don’t give a rat’s ass whether the pissant’s progeny live or die, but I have no intention of snuffing the mofo’s chillen myself.

Still waiting for some words of wisdom (NOT!) from you, Jeffy boy!

Your little boot-lickers have had their say. What say you, king dingbat?!

Wanna escalate this game. Fine wit me.

Bring it on, hombre.

Bring it on.

That Which Corrects Number 9's picture

Ugh

This is the same as that "Ethnicity Studies" professor in Colorado. The Right has to troll around and find a college professor to equate (by extension) to their hate mongers. The difference is that Coulter is on TV and these folks are sitting in a classroom with an audience of less than 200 students (who thinking they are full of shit too).

Number9's picture

The difference is that this

The difference is that this college professor wrote on a national blog that she wanted to kill and molest someones child.

According to your logic, if someone threatens someones child in a small enough audience it is not a big deal?

Correct thyself.

Factchecker's picture

Randy, prepare the rubber room

Randy, prepare the KnoxViews Rubber Room.  We got a live one.

WhitesCreek's picture

Les Said...Steve: Dean's

Les Said...

Steve: Dean's been nuts forever, but here are some recent examples from the past month.

I have an idea for you, Les. That fence you're looking through... Why don't you walk along it for a while and see where you wind up? I know it's a tall fence but it isn't very long. Back where you started from aren't you? Now here's a clue...You're on the wrong side of the fence...The "In" side.

 The examples you give for Howard Dean are quite reasonable, in fact. It seems to be mostly name calling with you guys and you're really not much fun to argue with. In your make believe world people love George Bush and won't vote for Democrats...In reality, Bush is over 20 points below where Clinton was at a similar point in his Presidency and Clinton was being impeached at the time.

Now, relax...Those nice people in the white coats are coming to lead you to the afternoon movie...Farenheit 9-11. Have fun checking it for factual errors, particularly the part where it shows clips from news conferences and speeches of Bush, Rumsfeld, and Condoleeza as they contradict themselves over and over and over.

And that part where the Military recruiters make fools of themselves? Have a little pity during that part. One of those guys just died in Iraq.

Steve

Eleanor A's picture

>And LoseOn.org is just as

And LoseOn.org is just as effective at winning elections as Mad "Couldn't Win a Primary Outside His Home State" How or Daily "Screw 'em/0 for 16" KKKos. The Dems are going to have to dump those guys and get Lurch out of the picture before they can win again.

Let's see. Where to start, where to start. But first, a request: Would whomever posted the mile-long link above please edit it so's we don't have to scroll all over creation reading one another's posts? Thanks in advance.

* Kos has an admittedly low winning record because he *shockingly!* chooses to endorse non-incumbents, folks who aren't taking home bushels of cash from Wal-mart, et. al. Sounds to me like many on this thread think the only reason to endorse a candidate is that he's a sure thing to win. (And yep, it's usually a "he" here in Tennessee, since it would be horrifyingly revolutionary to, you know, nominate a woman to any positions of real authority.)

I can understand the argument, but I also think it's completely cynical. One has to wonder about the motives of those who don't ever endorse candidates for their positions on issues. Apparently that's an outmoded concept these days.

* Yep. We're just such, such losers. Which is why we have parity when it comes to numbers in state legislatures, and why none other than McPaper reported the '04 results thusly:

"Colorado Democrats took control of both the House and Senate for the first time since 1974. Montana Democrats won the state Senate and could control the state House, depending on the outcome of a legislative race that finished in a tie and is the subject of a court battle.

Overall, Democrats took power in seven legislatures and earned a tie in the Iowa Senate. Republicans won control in four chambers and added legislators in southern states that have been shifting to the party for 20 years.

Nationwide, Democrats added more than 60 legislative seats, reversing the 2002 results that gave Republicans more state legislators than Democrats for the first time in a half century."

You know. Because we don't have any mayors, or council members, or school board members. Or even members of Congress, where the numbers are closer than many GOOPers would like.

What a tired, tired meme. You really ought to take that dog out back and shoot it.

Furthermore, we're managing to do this despite the towering piles of corporate dollars the Republicans take home and their wholesale ownership of whatever it is that passes for independent media these days. And I don't guess I'll get started on illegal Congressional redistricting or election theft.

According to many of y'all, the only good Democrat is a pseudo-Republican. I guess you guys think that none of us have any morals, scruples or reasons we actually call ourselves Democrats, or think the party should stand for anything. I guess I could call that projection, but that'd be taking this into the realm of the personal insult, wouldn't it?

Sven's picture

I link here and don't agree

I link here and don't agree with or endorse everything posted. I think her defense of internment was pretty retarded.

I just don't get that. There's a big difference between linking to a blog you don't agree with politically and one that's regularly infused with mid-octane hate speech. I don't care how good her sense of the zeitgeist is; style can't overcome stench.

I think your blog's great, for example, and I'd blogroll it...if I had blog. But Malkin is a perfect example of someone who should be marginalized - for the good of both sides of the political spectrum. But she won't be unless others stop linking to her.

 

 

Les Jones's picture

Elanor, you probably don't

Eleanor A, you probably don't believe a word that Uncle and I say since we're known associates of Karl Rove (All Hail our Dark Master!), but maybe you can believe these guys.

Michael Moore has won the Palme d'Or at the Cannes Film Festival, and may win an Oscar for the kind of work that got Stephen Glass, Jayson Blair, and Jack Kelly fired.

Trying to track the unproven innuendoes and conspiracies in a Michael Moore film or book is as futile as trying to count the flatulence jokes in one by Adam Sandler. Some journalists and critics have acted as if his wrenching of facts is no more serious than a movie continuity problem, like showing a 1963 Chevy in 1956 Santa Monica.

A documentary film doesn't have to be fair and balanced, to coin a phrase. But it ought to make an attempt to be accurate. It can certainly be pointed and opinionated. But it should not knowingly misrepresent the truth. Much of Michael Moore's films and books, however entertaining to his fans and enraging to his critics, seems to regard facts as mere nuisances to the story he wants to tell.

You won't believe who said that.

Is Michael Moore a courageous political documentarist who unmasks the chicanery all around us -- or just a charlatan in a clown suit? Is he an entertainment genius or a dangerous ideologue? The answer, of course, is all of the above. The problem is that you never know which of the four is doing the talking in Moore's movies and books. The end result is that the writer-filmmaker spreads a fog of misbegotten notions about America, politics, business, and international affairs among his youthful, left-leaning following at home and, indeed, around the world. Uninformed readers and viewers tend to believe everything he says.

And you really won't believe who said that.  


Hey, Les, why don't we just call each other assholes and get it over with. - Somebody on the old Southknoxbubba.net (if that was you, claim your quote and win net.fame!)

Andy Axel's picture

"And you really won't

"And you really won't believe who said that."

NDOL? Are you serious?

Hey, got any good Titanic spoilers for us, too?

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Anonymous's picture

Gee, great comparisons Les.

Gee, great comparisons Les. Kudos for doing Uncle's job for him.

Let's see, Moore says Americans are embarrassing. Coulter says McVeigh should have been in New York instead of Oklahoma (many Americans were killed). Moore said the motivation for war was financial. Coulter says we should kill the leaders of other countries. Moore says Iraqis are in a revolution. Coulter says liberals are traitors always against America.

Number9's picture

Informal thread poll

If you were stuck on a desert island, who would you rather be with?

Michael Moore

Ann Coulter

I would swim for it

Factchecker's picture

Desert Isle?

Well, MM would probably have too much more of an appetite to compete with.  But hanging w/ him would be a lot more fun, than with the androgynous, hateful liar, IMO.  MM is even a gun nut, so that would be fun.  Right?  AC talks gun tough, but probably couldn't hold one up.

Eleanor A's picture

Thanks, Axel

Thanks to that masterful rant, I pretty much got nothin'. Except that the percentage of women in the TN state House/Senate is 17%, not 14. (Other phun phacts: TN has not once elected a non-white or non-male as U.S. Senator or Governor, and has only sent five women to Congress ever...only three since the 50s. One of 'em is Marsha Blackburn, who is hardly a shining beacon heralding the progress of women, or of humanity, for that matter.)

OK, actually, on re-read I've got something:

Go drive down Judge Perez in St. Bernard Parish and then you come back and lecture me about empty politics.

I've often remarked that if Bill Clinton had been President on 9/11, he'd have been standing on that smoking ruin with a shovel, as opposed to hiding in a bunker for FIVE DAYS before showing up in NYC to survey the damage. And yet we're all supposed to hyperventilate over the swaggering manliness of George Bush, chickenhawk extraordinaire, whose ilk never saw a draft deferment it didn't love.

If Bill Clinton had been President in August of 2005, he'd've been in Louisiana with a bucket. Say of him what you will about his moral, personal, and yes, even managerial failings, but I'd hazard were he President today we wouldn't be pouring greenbacks down an endless gaping maw entitled "Vietnam, Part 2," while a major American city is left to ruin as another hurricane season bears down. Better hope it's not your neighborhood that gets hit by a disaster next time, since apparently American taxpayers can no longer depend on help from their government in the event of an emergency.

How DARE George Bush get up there and grandstand on national security when he has left this nation essentially completely unprotected, in his endless quest to bankrupt us all while he pursues the nation-building he swore to forego during the 2000 election? And now North Korea's firing off nuclear weapons willy-nilly, while the BushCo management team is standing around flat-footed despite years of warning that this eventuality would come to pass.

And you characterize Democrats as shortsighted, hypocritical and weak-kneed.

Man. That's rich.

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