Tue
Jul 22 2014
09:30 am
By: jbr
From the NY Times …
Banks and private equity firms searching for high-yield investments have fueled a boom in subprime auto loans to buyers who can’t afford them, including those who recently filed for bankruptcy
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Those who forget history,
are doomed to repeat it.
That unless, the doom comes with fast cash and a high yield. In that case, screw 'em early and screw 'em often and get paid.
Then again, are we far enough removed from the mortgage subprime crisis to even consider it history?
They know they'll get bailed out again.
(in reply to Average Guy)
"To big to fail"
And lots of lobbying in advance.
**rolls eyes**
Oh, for God's sake...
REINFLATE THE BUBBLE!!!
REINFLATE THE BUBBLE!!!
Good grief
Buying a car is not comparable to buying a house. Must be a slow news day.
The debt may be less, but the situation is the same
People taking loans they can't afford and banks giving loans to people they know can't afford them is a big deal.
But there's a reason neither part of that equation care.
Ultimately, they know it won't cost them anything.
The cost will be left to you and I. Again.
that would be "you and me" for correct grammar, Average Guy
(in reply to Average Guy)
if that counts anymore. For example, take out the other person and frame the sentence towards yourself and you will see that "the cost would be left to "me" in your sentence rather that "I"." I am just saying that your argument would be stronger if you used the correct English language rules. Otherwise, pfffft!
And a car and house are NOT in the same league
(in reply to Tess)
A car and a house are not equal in purchase risk. Scare on...but you don't scare me.
Fraud
(in reply to Tess)
is ok with you then as long as it is on home loans?
For 175% return over sale price?
(in reply to metulj)
There's a good reason that car dealers have such a crap public image.
It seems that instead of anyone making anything in this economy, everyone is on the make. Grift is the new currency.
Volume
(in reply to Tess)
In the US, there are 115 million homes and 240 million passenger vehicles.
The average US car price is now $31,000.
My grammar not withstanding, does the math scare you?
Ultimately it will be this bubble or something else, so I'll just quote another one of my grammar minders and simply leave you with a; whatevs.
The article
(in reply to Average Guy)
Fiddle dee dee, nothing to see here, no one could have predicted, slow news day.
Number of cars a person buys in a lifetime
(in reply to Average Guy)
From CNBC …
Americans Buying Fewer New Cars in Lifetime
Ha!
(in reply to Tess)
It was simpler in my day.
Still, the goal is, if you suck a lot of people with only a little money into deals that get over their head, you can rob them blind and leave them with nothing.
It's more complicated now, but that's not a bad thing, as far as I'm concerned.
This new thing of packaging the junk deals up, spraying them with gold paint and selling them as "investments" on Wall Street is pure genius. In my day, they'd shut your ass down and throw you in jail. Now with 'too big to fail,' after screwing people with the original loan deal, you poke 'em a second time in their retirement savings by selling them back their own worthless junk, and finally you get to scrape 'em raw with a corncob a third time by taking a taxpayer-funded bailout to pay your bonuses when the wheels come off. In the end, instead of going to jail like me, you just cut the Justice Department a very small percentage of the profit, admit to nothing, and get ready to do it all over again.
Houses, cars, who the hell cares? There are a lot of people out there with just a little bit of money. Squeeze 'em hard enough (and repeatedly), and you can still get a whole lot of money. My only regret is that I didn't live a generation or two later.
Yes, there is credit risk
(in reply to C.H. Butcher)
There is always risk in any purchase for the buyer and for the seller.
I think there is a lot of scare news out there right now so that everyone is afraid to do anything or take any risk.
If you need car, this is a great time to buy a car.
I traded in my 12 year old car in December 2013. I had done some online research and had driven through a few lots, but on 12/31, I drove through one of the big car lots in West Knox and "saw" my car.
A nice salesman came out and I said, I want that car... and I pointed to my now car. He was very shocked to say the least.
Anyway, it worked out fine. I used a few tricks up my sleeve and they did too, but I got a good deal. I usually pay cash, but they offered me a fixed, extremely low interest rate for 5 years, which was below what my money is earning in this paltry market. So, it was a better deal for me to finance.
My point is, if you need a car, go looking. Life is full of risk. I hope that you won't agree to purchase anything you can't afford to pay for, but don't be afraid to do what you have to do.
...they offered me a fixed,
(in reply to Tess)
...they offered me a fixed, extremely low interest rate for 5 years, which was below what my money is earning in this paltry market.
Please share where you are earning more interest than you pay for a car loan. I'd like to get in on some of that.
Personal
(in reply to Tess)
Institutional risk should and could have government oversight.
Instead of oversight, our government is colluding with private commerce.
It's what the lady sneaking up on Hillary Clinton is always railing about.
Someone needs to get that lady
(in reply to Average Guy)
Someone needs to get that lady involved in this auto loan mess.
By the way, she stated unequivocally yesterday she isn't running. Maybe we should give Hilary one term (I think she'll be too old for a second), then thrust this lady upward.
That's a shame
(in reply to Knoxgal)
She'd had my vote.
My first house was a three
My first house was a three bedroom rancher with a full basement built in 1960 on a half acre surrounded by a four foot chain-link fence. I paid the sellers $6000 in cash and took over payments of $138 per month on the $20,000 mortgage. That was the summer of 1971.
In the spring of 1983, I paid $20,000 for a Volvo Turbo sunroof sedan. The dealer gave me a nice coffee cup which still performs flawlessly.
Oh, sorry, I'm wandering again.
Wow, they saw you coming!
(in reply to redmondkr)
You failed to factor in the
(in reply to zoomfactor)
You failed to factor in the coffee cup.
loan rates
Don't know about now, but in December 2013, I was offered 1.99% fixed for five years on a car loan and decided that was a good deal for me.
Businesses scamming the poor,
Businesses scamming the poor, telecom monopolies, net neutrality, out of control tax code, inequality... SQUIRREL!