Thu
Sep 27 2012
09:42 am

The City of Knoxville is having a ribbon cutting today at 10AM at the Civic Coliseum parking garage to unveil six electric vehicle charging stations. ECOtality North America received a nearly $100 million DOE grant to install 14,000 EV charging stations across the country. ORNL helped the company site 24 East Tennessee locations with a total cost of $400,000.

michael kaplan's picture

I have to wonder if there are

I have to wonder if there are 6 electric vehicles operating in the Knoxville area. Anyone know the numbers?

Somebody's picture

I'd wager there are already

I'd wager there are already more electric vehicles in Knoxville than there are people who would pay to go see midnight showings of art films at the downtown cinema.

Besides, the whole point of subsidizing infrastructure for emerging technologies like this is to bypass the chicken-and-egg scenario and anticipate demand, so that consumers considering the purchase of EVs will see that choice as a more viable option, purchase EVs and start creating more demand for charging stations. The private market will tend to wait for the demand to build before they start installing charging stations all over the place, though eventually they will claim the whole thing was their idea in the first place.

michael kaplan's picture

The EV would be an efficient

The EV would be an artful choice for those wishing to round-trip from downtown to Downtown West

bizgrrl's picture

I'd wager there are already

I'd wager there are already more electric vehicles in Knoxville than there are people who would pay to go see midnight showings of art films at the downtown cinema.

Don't know what the Regal theater down town has to do with anything. I do wonder how many electric vehicles there are locally. I know two people who own them, both Nissan Leaf EVs.

Nissan has sold 3,543 Leaf EVs this year. GM has sold 10,666 Volts this year. One in every three Volts sold are purchased in California. I'm guessing if you determine the total number of sales of EVs in the US and calculate the approximate numbers sold in the 50 states and numerous larger cities, the count for Knoxville would be pretty low.

I wondered about the location of the 6 EV charging stations. I have no idea how much that parking garage gets used. I do agree that EV charging stations are a growing part of infrastructure. I hope building them will be worthwhile in the future.

j.f.m.'s picture

According to the City's

According to the City's Office of Sustainability, there are 350-plus EV owners in the Knoxville area.

For anyone curious, here are the locations of the City's charging stations: Six at the Civic Coliseum Garage, four at Market Square Garage, and two each at State Street Garage, Ijams Nature Center, the Jackson Avenue parking lot, West Hills Park, Victor Ashe Park, Sequoyah Park and Caswell Park.

The stations at the Coliseum and Market Square garages have affiliated solar arrays. Both are capable of offsetting heavy EV charging usage onsite.

bizgrrl's picture

What does the City's Office

What does the City's Office of Sustainability consider an EV and how did they come up with this number? I saw an article from 9 months ago that said there were 270 EVs in the State of Tennessee. I can only guess there are different determinations as to what is an EV (e.g. Volt, which is actually a hybrid, vs Leaf), a lot of EVs were purchased in 2012, or the numbers are skewed somewhere.

michael kaplan's picture

LEAF rough count

Very crudely: if you divide 3,543 by 50 states, you'd get 71 LEAFs per state. Divide Tennessee's 71 LEAFs by 4 major cities, you'd get 18 LEAFs sold in Knoxville this year.

Somebody's picture

If you accept your math as an

If you accept your math as an accurate calculation of the probability of Leaf EVs in the area, then compare jfm's measure of actual Leaf EVs in the area, you have evidence for an argument that proactive placements of charging stations ahead of demand will, in fact, drive adoption of the new technology. So already it's a success.

R. Neal's picture

JFM said "EV" owners, not

JFM said "EV" owners, not "LEAF" owners. Pure EV's available would mainly be LEAF, Volt and Tesla. Ford Focus EV is out, I think, but not sure you can get one around here. Same for the Prius plug-in hybrid and the Honda Fit. Wonder if that figure includes plug-in hybrids?

Factchecker's picture

Bingo!

bypass the chicken-and-egg scenario

Maybe more Volts locally now than LEAFs. Ford and Prius plug-ins will be here soon. Nobody seems to know when and what to expect of the 2013 LEAF, the Smyrna-built debut. At least we do have Nissan to thank (or blame, if you like) for the huge number of public chargers being installed in Tennessee.

Pam Strickland's picture

I actually saw a Leaf

I actually saw a Leaf charging at the co-op the other day.

michael kaplan's picture

i've seen a blue one and

i've seen a blue one and black one charging at the co-op. i've also seen non-EVs parked in the charging spots.

bizgrrl's picture

Yeah, I saw some non-EVs

Yeah, I saw some non-EVs parked at the ones at Cracker Barrel in Alcoa. I think they were handicapped and didn't read the signs.

Factchecker's picture

I'd guess it does include

I'd guess it does include PHEVs (all plug-ins), but can only think of the Volt and Prius plug-in (if you can really get those here yet). The Focus EV, Mitsu iEV, and Codas aren't really around here yet, I don't think, though EPRI has or had a few iEVs at their West Knox facility. Fit is supposedly California and Oregon only, so far.

There is one Tesla Roadster owned by someone in the Tri-Cities, IIRC. There was an EV car display on Market Square last spring where he brought his car, a beautiful blue one. There was also another EV car display a week ago today on MS, where the highlight was a Fisker Karma, that apparently came from a dealer in Atlanta. Beautiful car--wish I'd had a good camera. But I could see why it's going to have a hard time aside from its price. Long and swoopy, it looked like it would be claustrophobic and have poor visibility. Fit and finish on that one looked fine, though.

The LEAF and Volt both rolled out in particular states. Some states just got availability in the last few months. Nissan pushed them well here from the start, though there just aren't many typical EV drivers in these parts and they're damn reluctant to give up their god-entitled fierce dependence to fossil fuels. Ahem. Well, anyway. But no, even the crude guess is not applicable at all here. Check the Blink Map, though. It hasn't even yet added the newest chargers that opened yesterday.

JFM, do you know if the (also solar) chargers at UT Gardens also finally opened this week? They were finished and powered up last week, but they had not moved the pylons away, for whatever reason. Maybe awaiting state inspection(?)

bizgrrl's picture

Is the PlugShare map useful

Is the PlugShare map useful as well?

Factchecker's picture

The Sedan

By the way, for those who don't follow cars or EV cars, the Tesla S sedan is slowly ramping up production to catch up to its reservation backlog, but it is IMHO flat-out the most awesome sedan ever made by anyone. And it's real!! The production numbers have so far been lower than planned because Tesla wants to ensure they meet their quality specs while trying to iron out the myriad of supplier issues that all car manufacturers spend billions to do. It's not smoke and mirrors or vaporware!

I wouldn't expect to see one around here for a long time, due to its backlog and high cost, but check out this video. Also, you may have heard this All Tech Considered audio piece on NPR where the reporter got the car so sideways at high speed that he destroyed the tires and scratched the wheels, but didn't otherwise hurt the car or tip it up on its side.

Also Tesla just announced a set of proprietary "superchargers" for about 2/3rds of California (so far) that will allow all S owners to charge for free via solar power. Free fuel. All solar. Other than sooner availability, why would anyone prefer any other $100,000 from any of the famous makes?

Somebody's picture

The camera guy falling all

The camera guy falling all over himself every time the driver punches it is a great way to illustrate the acceleration capability of that car. (0-60 in 4.4 seconds.) That's an EV that can compete with any of the best supercar production models.

michael kaplan's picture

The manager at Twin City

The manager at Twin City Nissan said there are at least 50 LEAFs in the Knoxville area.

There are many electric vehicles in use locally that are not automobiles, like police and UT service vehicles, golf carts, etc. Are they included in the numbers?

Factchecker's picture

I have the PlugShare app on

I have the PlugShare app on my WiFi devices, mostly just to have them, but I don't have a smartphone or other cell device to use them as intended, so it's not been useful to me. The idea of PlugShare, for others who don't know, is that anyone can register their home chargers on the PS map and if they get out and have range anxiety, they can find a charger near them, whether public or a PS member's. If private, they would call the member and ask to "borrow" a charge. Cool idea, and maybe I'll use it when I get a smartphone and have the need. (I have my eye on an iPhone 5 for next spring! Oh boy oh boy!!)

The Telsa S no doubt has that kind of acceleration and I agree the point was made well even if the guy was throwing his camera in the back of the car for effect, which he may have been, at least after the first instance. I even like the pop music in that video, which was performed by the owner's sister, as I understand.

I doubt they would include golf cart class vehicles in that number, Michael.

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