Mon
Feb 22 2010
03:26 pm

They're talking to McIntyre about the new school project and the property purchase. For some reason, Lambert has asked the mayor up and is talking about the Tea Party movement. Where is he going with this? Somehow he's tied it to the promise to upgrade / rebuild Carter Elementary. Still don't know what this has to do with the Tea Party.

McIntyre and Ragsdale are being reminded that there are school needs other than just going further west.

A few names coming out for school board appointment
- Porter
- Mullins
- Patrick Redmond (Richmond?) - won.

Personnel Board
- reappointment of Logan Brummit and ??? York- currently on board.

Karen Smith appointed to replace Lewis Cosby's seat on the Ethics board.

Mark Harmon's picture

Thanks Steve for blogging. I

Thanks Steve for blogging. I voted for Mullins for School Board, and thought you or Kathy Bryant would have been the best choice for the Ethics Committee. Commissioner Lambert will serve until August. I will serve until that time as well. I'll post on any other developments as they occur. More discussion of NRR and solid waste currently in progress.

--Mark Harmon

Bbeanster's picture

Brad Mayes is growing on me.

Brad Mayes is growing on me.

reform4's picture

He's obviously not growing on Amy.

Broyles is giving him what-for for 'disrespectful' statements about County employees. Brad's respectfully saying 'too bad, that's how I feel' and using the opportunity to make points about contaminated mulch.

Anonymously Nine's picture

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"Broyles is giving him what-for for 'disrespectful' statements about County employees."

What is Broyles doing? How guilty to they have to be? People got sick from this mulch. NRR is the biggest fraud in the county budget. But Amy Broyles wants to make sure no one is disrespectful?

Does she expect us to thank them for making people sick and stealing from the taxpayers?

She was way out of line.

reform4's picture

I think what she was trying to say..

.. is that there's a process. Make your case, state the facts, and stick to them. Brad may feel the frustration that he seems to not be making any headway, but he's probably turned a number of commissioners off at this point.

The situation is mired in old history and legal minefield. I suspect Commissions hesitance to act has to do with a desire not to get involved in what really is a contract dispute, where the players are the Mayor, NRR, Mayes, and the courts.

The last battle was the renewal of the contract- I think when Commission argued the issue and decided to renew the contract with whatever new terms were brought in, they felt they were done with the old issues.

If there's a new issue with Oak Ridge taking waste, then Brad should probably stay focused on that, bringing up the old stuff is a distraction.

(I'm not exactly sure what Brad said that Amy took objection to, so I can't offer an opinion there.)

Anonymously Nine's picture

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"(I'm not exactly sure what Brad said that Amy took objection to, so I can't offer an opinion there.)"

You really need Tivo to watch a Commission meeting.

Amy insulted Mayes insinuating that he was doing all he has done for money. She basically told him not to come to Commission any more and go to the courts. Later she said it was okay for him to give his opinion. Only because other Commissioners corrected her.

Then after that she voted against getting money back from Oak Ridge. She has very strange ideas about propriety.

reform4's picture

I was asking

what did Mayes say about a county employee (I can guess who) that Broyles found objectionable?

If he said "so-and-so isn't doing their job, in my opinion," then I don't agree with her. If he said "so-and-so is lazy and corrupt," then she probably has a point.

Anonymously Nine's picture

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"what did Mayes say about a county employee (I can guess who) that Broyles found objectionable?"

Hard to say. Maybe it was about Ragsdale "sitting on his keyster" for years on NRR. Ragsdale did a lot more than that.

What was so hypocritical was Broyles telling Mayes to be "respectful" while she insults him time and again. Not her best day in Commission.

Anonymously Nine's picture

Okay Steve, recuse yourself

Okay Steve, recuse yourself for this one.

Edit, just saw I had paused the Tivo.

Result is already known. Karen Smith.

reform4's picture

LOL!

I didn't want to post anything until the deed was done, I figured it was a done deal anyway.

reform4's picture

Amy and Lumpy going at it...

.. over the BZA thing. Lambert says its targeted, Amy claims it's not. Since the proposal doesn't affect currently sitting BZA members, I'm not sure what Lambert's stance is coming from. Briggs is supporting that the law is not ex post facto.

Rachel's picture

Geez, it's weird to see

Geez, it's weird to see Briggs sitting there, when just this morning he was in the spouse's hospital room telling us he could go home.

A man of many talents, that one.

Mark Harmon's picture

Amy's Resolution is really a Statement of Principle

It's a shame that some commissioners are trying to justify voting against this simple statement of principle that, in the future, ousted commissioners shall not serve on boards and committees we appoint.

reform4's picture

Vote on the removal from boards of ousted commissioners

Pinkston- no
Brown- no
Wright-no
Armostrong-no
Carringer-no
Smith- yes
Lambert- no
Anders- no
Briggs- yes
Leuthold- no
Hammond- yes
Shouse-yes
Sanders- yes
I Harmon- no
Norman- yes
Broyles- yes
Harmon - yes
Strickland- no
McKenzie - no

The "no" votes all claim there was a mechanism already in place to remove ousted commissioners. Sure, if you're unpopular or in the minority faction.

Anonymoose's picture

the proposal

Even if it passed, could it have applied retroactively to Moore?

Bbeanster's picture

Even if it passed, could it


Even if it passed, could it have applied retroactively to Moore?

No, it would not apply retroactively.
But, since (as it was said over and over today) the mechanism is already in place to boot/oust/give ScoMo the old heave-ho, what's to bar a resolution?

Anonymously Nine's picture

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"It's a shame that some commissioners are trying to justify voting against this simple statement of principle that, in the future, ousted commissioners shall not serve on boards and committees we appoint."

You two are on a roll today. First no free speech with Brad Mayes. Now the Scarlet O on the forehead. You both have some very strange ideas about government.

Ouster does not place a person on a notification list and require a surrender of their rights. We don't take away their right to vote or own a firearm. In addition Briggs and others had a solid point about Ex Post Facto.

How was this a statement of principle? It doesn't make any sense. It was just wrong. You may have forgotten the Recall Amendment is not for cause. It is for any reason including you just don't like the person. A Commissioner could be removed for nothing more than politics with the Recall Amendment. There was no need for this.

jbr's picture

Disappointed in Brown's vote

Disappointed in Brown's vote in particular on this one.

A little disappointed in MacKenzie.

I would like to see Leuthold stand strong on some of these key issues when his vote carries weight. He seems to stand with the status quo form what I can recall when things are tight.

The rest seem predictable.

Bbeanster's picture

Amy should announce that

Amy should announce that she's going to bring a referendum next month calling for Scooby's ouster from BZA and invite those who say the mechanism's already in place to co-sponsor.

Also, Pinkston should have abstained from voting or discussing this matter.

Rachel's picture

Also, Pinkston should have

Also, Pinkston should have abstained from voting or discussing this matter.

No s**t. I'm surprised that Jarett didn't talk to him about it. Or maybe he tried and failed.

Anonymously Nine's picture

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"Amy should announce that she's going to bring a referendum next month calling for Scooby's ouster from BZA and invite those who say the mechanism's already in place to co-sponsor."

Ouster from BZA? I think the word would be removal. How could it be ouster? Ouster, recall, and removal all have different meanings.

Bbeanster's picture

Ouster does not place a

Ouster does not place a person on a notification list and require a surrender of their rights. We don't take away their right to vote or own a firearm. In addition Briggs and others had a solid point about Ex Post Facto.

Define the difference between a right and a privilege.

And if the mechanism is already in place, why not put it to a vote and give these guys a record to stand on?

Anonymously Nine's picture

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"And if the mechanism is already in place, why not put it to a vote and give these guys a record to stand on?"

Because it is wrong. And most probably illegal. I can't believe you support this kind of politics. I get you don't like Moore but it isn't about Moore. To coin a phrase from someone else today, it is about principle.

Bbeanster's picture

OK, use a different word than

OK, use a different word than ouster.
I have heard nothing but disgust from citizens who realize that Moore is still sitting on BZA after being ousted from commission for lying.
Not one person who has talked to me about it thinks he should be there.
And, if the mechanism exists already, how could it be "illegal" to use it?

Bbeanster's picture

9, have you ever criticized

9, have you ever criticized Scooby Moore?

Anonymously Nine's picture

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"9, have you ever criticized Scooby Moore?"

Completely irrelevant to the issue. This is like taking away teachers rights to serve on Commission with Charter Amendment 3. It is just wrong. And Broyles is way off base with making this a good ole boy slam.

And by the way, those people upset about Moore serving on BZA can get off their keysters and go to public forum like Brad Mayes does.

Commission can kick Moore off BZA any time they wish. We just don't need any more exclusionary rules. This smacks of Charter Amendment 3. Maybe this resonates with the 4th and Gill crowd. It doesn't with Commission or the rest of the county.

Bbeanster's picture

Huh?

Completely irrelevant to the issue. This is like taking away teachers rights to serve on Commission with Charter Amendment 3. It is just wrong. And Broyles is way off base with making this a good ole boy slam.

teachers same as perjurers?

Rachel's picture

Bean: "9, have you ever

Bean: "9, have you ever criticized Scooby Moore?"

Nine: "Completely irrelevant to the issue."

That means no.

reform4's picture

I find it highly ironic...

.. no make that hypocritical that you stomp your feet in fury about how Commission won't do anything about NRR, won't do the right thing, etc, but when it comes to a vote to prevent FUTURE embarrassments of an ousted commissioner sitting on a board, it's OK for the faction to vote to cover their asses against future scandals they might participate in.

How do you expect functional government if you don't hold your own people to any kind of standard.

Factionalism is wrong and incompatible with a functional government.

Speaking of which- who is Karen Smith? What are her qualifications and what makes her ideal for the Ethics board? Or was that another factional vote (for faction scandal insurance)? Why didn't Commission even briefly talk to the candidates to find out which one is the best fit? (and yes, I will equally criticize those in Districts 1-4 for not asking to talk to Karen Smith, even though she didn't even bother to come to the meeting).

Many people talk about how bad factionalism is, but very few want to do anything about it. The Board-boot proposal would have been a good step to show Knox County that we take scandal seriously.

Which apparently, we don't.

bill young's picture

Recall

I was there thru the debate on school board district deal..0-10-2-102..got home was watching on tv & have somehow missed the 2nd reading of the recall amd...did it pass?

Anonymously Nine's picture

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"got home was watching on tv & have somehow missed the 2nd reading of the recall amd...did it pass?"

Approved. Unanimous.

bill young's picture

9

thank you

R. Neal's picture

"keister"

"keister"

Anonymously Nine's picture

"keister" Heh, thanks.

"keister"

Heh, thanks.

Anonymously Nine's picture

Commissioner Harmon opposed expedited trial

Commissioner Harmon was the only Commissioner who did not support an expedited trial on the Charter Amendment 3 lawsuit. That won't be reported in the daily paper.

Commissioner Harmon opined that to support an expedited trial on the Charter Amendment 3 lawsuit might create chaos so close to the ballot being closed. That date is March 5th. Fortunately Commissioners Shouse and Leuthold explained how important moving this on is to the people of Knox County and that the greater harm would be to wait. The final vote was unanimous except for 1 pass from Commissioner Harmon.

Actually the greatest chaos would come by not expediting the trial. The worst case would be that the trial would occur after a new Commission is seated because all 11 Commissioners would be removed and a special election would have to be held to vote in 19 new Commissioners.

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