Wed
Mar 24 2010
09:56 am

The News Sentinel reports today that the Knoxville Convention Center is looking at a $1.3 million operating loss for the next fiscal year and wants the city to pick up the tab. This doesn't include debt service, which pushes the annual loss on this clunker close to $5 million per year.

While he may have inherited the money pit from former mayor Victor Ashe, Haslam owns it now according GOP Calvin Ball Rules. (Remember how it was Obama's Economy on Jan. 20, 2009?) The mayor has had seven years to either reduce the debt service or increase utilization and revenues - or both. He's done neither, it would seem.

It's probably all Franklin L. Haney's fault, though, and nothing that a federally funded, TIF subsidized convention center hotel wouldn't fix. Oh, wait. That sounds like socialism!

Anonymously Nine's picture

sing the chorus

Trust us, we're professionals.

If you build it they will come.

Knoxville will be a destination attraction.

Sing it, with feeling.

jbr's picture

Anyone know how many meeting,

Anyone know how many meeting, convention centers, etc there are within 1 hour drive of downtown Knoxville?

It seems like there is a significant number.

Including everything, Rothchilds, Expo Center, Joe's meeting center and bait shop, etc.

Seems like something MPC might have. I assume someone keeps tabs on this.

R. Neal's picture

Part of the problem is that

Part of the problem is that Sevier Co. and Pigeon Forge are beating us up pretty good on the convention business, because they're like, you know, a tourist destination.

RigsbyWerner's picture

It's a complete abomination all the way around

The only time it has been used for the purposes for which it was hawked to the city heads was when IBM had their annual shareholders meeting in, of all places, Knoxville, Tennessee.

IBM is notorious for holding their annual meetings in places very hard to get to, very far off the beaten path to escape the financial press and their recalliant shareholders, and a place which is not cost effective to travel to. By selecting Knoxville, they were able to meet all of their objectives and those are circumstances the convention center management team SMG should not be pround of at all. When they charge non profits $14.00 for a dozen Krispy Kremes and do not allow charities to bring in any food or drink from the outside whatsoever (including build out and tear down of the event) they don't really ingratiate themselves to the user base and the Knoxville Expo Center and Rothchild's have seen rapid growth since the opening of the Knoxville Convention Center.

I'd hope they would name it after Victor "Victory" Ashe in his honor. It is somewhat emblematic of his tenure in office, plenty of gradiosity, sashay, but very little in substance.

SnM's picture

snark

Bare Smokies Bear Market Has Researchers Seeking New Quarry
Failing to hit the black in bear studies, scientists will stalk the rare, elusive "convention center profit margin" instead

From APB reports. KNOXVILLE - For the first time in 42 years, because of a lack of funding, students and faculty with the University of Tennessee won't be heading to the Great Smoky Mountains National Park to monitor the black bears. Instead, they'll be taking the trolley to the World's Fair Park in search of the seldom-seen "profit margins" rumored to haunt the habitat of the Knoxville Convention Center.

Dr. Abraham Van Helsing, adjunct professor with UT's Department of Cryptozoology (formerly the Department of Forestry, Wildlife and Fisheries), and the project's supervisor, said the shift in his team's focus came as no surprise. He explained that funding the study of black bears is unprofitable, whereas finding deficit funding for convention centers with chimerical rationales for existence appears to be a growth industry...

Sclark426's picture

Hmmm

Just think, we could have had the minor league baseball stadium instead. ... Bill Haslam is being unfairly blamed for this fiasco. He also is blamed for selling off the Candy Factory and Victorian Houses. Seems Bill can't win on this discussion board. - s.

R. Neal's picture

He also is blamed for selling

He also is blamed for selling off the Candy Factory and Victorian Houses.

Really? Who did it then?

Rick H.'s picture

Haslam's White Elephant is

Haslam's White Elephant is the Ten Year Plan. Ask him how he ducked out of a 55 minute Council meeting last night so he wouldn't have to face some people from the Teaberry area.

He cut and run. He won't face people about the Ten Year Plan.

Sclark426's picture

Candy Factory

Haslam sold 'em, and I suspect he would have sold the Convention Center too if there had been a buyer. I agree with the decision to sell those properties to eliminate the upkeep and return them to the tax rolls. (I hope they're on the tax rolls.) - s.

scott's picture

jon lawler has been spotted

jon lawler has been spotted looking at it for permanent supportive housing.

sugarfatpie's picture

Maybe we could, on a

Maybe we could, on a semi-temporary basis, turn at least part of this thing into something we could charge admission for, like a children's museum, or a science museum.
Its not like we're using all this space anyways.

edens's picture

Maybe we could, on a

Maybe we could, on a semi-temporary basis, turn at least part of this thing into something we could charge admission for, like a children's museum, or a science museum.
Its not like we're using all this space...

A planetarium, perhaps?

SnM's picture

ooo, ooo! to attract the

ooo, ooo! to attract the visitors, the convention center needs to be domed over and connected to market square with hermetically sealed space-age, human-sized hamster habitats!

sugarfatpie's picture

Seriously though, if either

Seriously though, if either of you would mind unplugging your irony implants for just a moment, why shouldn't we start using this space for other purposes? We paid/are paying for this thing, lets get a little more creative with our white elephant. Maybe something that could be temporary?

rocketsquirrel's picture

roller derby?

roller derby?

seriously, that marxist/socialist/fascist/Canadian Toby Applegate thinks too high brow. Clearly he wants a science museum so that his kids can get a free science edumacation at taxpayer's expense. He needs to buy his own videos like the rest of us God-fearin' Amuricans.

What we really need is something a bit declasse. Like an American Gladiators theme park where folks on their way to Sevier County can stop by Henley Street, don padding, and beat the crap out of each other, eat a funnel cake, and hop back on the road to the Smokies.

It would go.

Anonymously Nine's picture

.

"seriously, that marxist/socialist/fascist/Canadian"

Canadian? That tears it.

schull's picture

roller derby indeed

You can actually see Knoxville's very own Hard Knox Roller Girls at the old convention center a couple more times, but then then they move to the Civic Coliseum.

WhitesCreek's picture

Hard Knox

I think I passed into a parallel universe. I'm trying to get to their match this Saturday night. One of their jammers is a good friend of mine. I think a jammer is the small girl who gets slung into the other team's big honking enforcer chicks and either scores or gets the crap kicked out of her.

SnM's picture

no irony

...just memorializing the late, unlamented Worsham/Watkins Renaissance Knoxville and Universe Knoxville of another decade.

and any ideas for what to do with downtown's monochromatic rubik's cube are welcome.

jmcnair's picture

How about a library? (And

How about a library? (And then we could use the L&N for Arrowmont.)

redmondkr's picture

East Tennessee loves flea

East Tennessee loves flea markets. What a place for another flea market!

michael kaplan's picture

how can you compete with the

how can you compete with the expo center on clinton highway, with its free parking?

the flea market is a great idea, though, now that burlington has expired and there's an attempt to open a new one on cherry street. a bit déclassé for world's fair park .. but, who knows, with all those 'rich kids' living across the way in the candy factory ...

Green's picture

Go with The Market

End the contracts, allow it to be booked for free, clients would need to provide their own services and pay a clean up fee.

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